Toddler's Temper Ousts Family From Plane

[Opal]

OPAL's Quote:
I can put up with drunk people as long they don't come near me!! LOL

Sit next to drunk people? What if he or she vomit over you or smell his/his alcohol breath...

No - listen,

I mean they keep distance from me, not close to me.

OPAL'sQuote:
Also bear in mind some passengers are first time flyer, and some are phobia of flight, and to see the drama makes it worst!!

what crying babies do with this since everyone knows what babies/toddlers are.

It makes them nervous more to board the plane, and sadly some people don't like children, some are have a short patience - anything possible.
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Sorry I won't be back here to keep it track as I am going away on holiday for 5 days ok AD

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No - listen,

I mean they keep distance from me, not close to me.

I mean is on flight seat.

It makes them nervous more to board the plane, and sadly some people don't like children, some are have a short patience - anything possible.
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Yes I understand and have to gíve you right on this.

Sorry I won't be back here to keep it track as I am going away on holiday for 5 days ok AD

Okay, wish you and your family a lovely time on your holiday.

 

[Eve]

Offer money for just tickets to get other plane and also offer them free to choose anywhere is a joking. I the parents for reject their offer. They are not stupid... I beleive that they will go to lawyer to claim the money refund and plus value their increase stress and time loss. It will cost AirTran more than just lousy $595.80 for that just tickets.

I know from my experiences that NEVER accept their offer if you are unsure but go to lawyer....

You can image if you were in their shoes... They have to wait for long hours for get other plane... and plus get their cases return from AirTran airline.

How many hours they lose their value time and increase their stress? For that just lousy $595.80 for only tickets...

Oh, if we are talking dollars and SENSE, then let’s try this on for size: If the couple’s unruly child caused a severe delay, which made multiple other passengers miss their connecting flights, and each of those individual’s sued the airlines for indulging a couple who is incapable of controlling their child….hmmmm I think if I were the airlines, I would simply refund the $595.80 and say “good riddance”.

That's problem... I beleive it would be okay if stewardess let her sit on mother's lap and understanding that a little girl need mother's attention to calm her down...

That is the problem, there are FAA regulations which require children old enough to have their own seats for safety reasons. Plus, FAA regulations have been even more strictly enforced since 9/11. The airline attendant can’t discriminately choose which regulations to follow and which not to, otherwise the airline could be severely fined much more than a measly $595.80.
I can assure you that if this had been in an automobile, a cop wouldn’t hesitate to give a mother carrying a child of any age in her lap a ticket. It just isn’t safe and one of the airlines top priorities is to maintain that all passengers reach their destination SAFELY.

The parents tried everything to calm her down...

Obviously not if the child was climbing under seats and hitting her mother. A good spanking sounded in order.

Why can't stewardess let her to sit on mother's or father's lap...?

*see above answer*

Did you know that the flight atompshere scare a lot of toddlers/children...? It affect some of children's ear infection as well...

And why should all other passengers have to suffer as well? If a young child is incapable of flying, then take a damn BUS!

where is their value time loss and stress?

Just think of the stress they put on all the other passengers and flight crew. Who is going to reimburse all of them????

It has nothing do with parental discipline... Each child is different... Some children are fear and panic when they see "odd" atmosphere when they join for a first time is normal...

This wasn’t her first flight.

most young children get scared that normal, so I don't blame the 3 years old girl for crying,

I don’t blame the child for crying either, I blame the parents for not keeping their child in her seat for takeoff. And to allow a child to hit you? Ppffftttt

My 12 years old daughter cried alot when the plane landed down few weeks ago, because of ear pressure, I can feel it for the FIRST TIME, oh boy its real hurt - Before that I don't have this problem - strange huh!

The best way to avoid the pressure is to chew gum when taking off and landing. For small children, give them a bottle of juice, milk, or water, which they must suck. The movement of the jaw allows the ears to equalize. And, if you are really having problems, try the valslava maneuver.

Its important to remember everyone entitled to a peaceful journey, not matter if its a crying baby or drunk or hijacked passenger, you named it.

I agree. Some people have no respect or courtesy for others. I am glad you were an attendant parent and respected those around you.

 

[Mistyrose]

Why should the airline be patient with them? They had 112 other passengers to consider. Everyone shouldn't have to be inconvenienced just because the parents are unable to control their child.

I agree!! Sounds like they have a spoiled brat child!
Needed to be spanked, period!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Oh, if we are talking dollars and SENSE, then let’s try this on for size: If the couple’s unruly child caused a severe delay, which made multiple other passengers miss their connecting flights, and each of those individual’s sued the airlines for indulging a couple who is incapable of controlling their child….hmmmm I think if I were the airlines, I would simply refund the $595.80 and say “good riddance”.

Yes of course, there´re often delay flights around for some reasons.

let hypothetical talk...

The media would scream the scandal on the newspaper "CHILD-HATER SUES AIRLINE FOR 15 MINUTES (or 1 hour) DELAY FLIGHT BECAUSE OF CRYING TODDLER" mmmmhhhh.... Of course everyone will label him or her as child-hater or child-hostile... I bet the passengars would not want to do that... I am sure that the honest lawyer would advise them to not sue airlines because the flight delays are common...

If the passengar who are being force to remove from their flight to get other flight is a long hours .... then is their right to sue flight for their time loss and increase stress... It could be many hours than just 15 minutes to 1 hour...


I can wait patience for long hours... Accord flight delay... 30 minutes to 2 hours...

They kick passengars out of flight after 15 lousy minutes waiting... :roll:

That is the problem, there are FAA regulations which require children old enough to have their own seats for safety reasons.

Toddlers are old enough to have their own seats? What wrong with that infant belt? It can fix toddler on to parent´s belt... Every flights aware that they must have infant belts when the parents have the problem to calm toddlers down. I beleive that FAA regulations are for it.

Plus, FAA regulations have been even more strictly enforced since 9/11.

Yes I can understand that accord safety.

The airline attendant can’t discriminately choose which regulations to follow and which not to, otherwise the airline could be severely fined much more than a measly $595.80.

See above over infant belt.

I can assure you that if this had been in an automobile, a cop wouldn’t hesitate to give a mother carrying a child of any age in her lap a ticket. It just isn’t safe and one of the airlines top priorities is to maintain that all passengers reach their destination SAFELY.

There´re toddler and child safety seat in every cars. It is also same with flight as well is infant belt or toddler seat... I have seen toddler seat in some Airlines but my son don´t like toddler seat but my lap. Stewardness is kind and understanding and then check with airline for permission... and let him sit on my lap... all what I do is hold him... It´s only once.

And why should all other passengers have to suffer as well? If a young child is incapable of flying, then take a damn BUS!

Huh?

Just think of the stress they put on all the other passengers and flight crew. Who is going to reimburse all of them????

I thought their expert to find solution how to comfort toddler/children but they are not.... all what I see is their unpatience and have no solution how to help crying toddler... only 15 minutes... What´s wrong with infant belt or toddler seat? :roll:

This wasn’t her first flight.

It makes no difference either it´s her first or not.

I don’t blame the child for crying either, I blame the parents for not keeping their child in her seat for takeoff. And to allow a child to hit you? Ppffftttt

Blame the parents for their form of discipline... ?

As I see from your and my articles that the parents didn´t "do nothing" but tried their best to calm their daughter down and tried to convince the Airline about sit on her lap... I thought Stewardness would find the solution how to calm crying toddler down... is infant belt or toddler seat?

The best way to avoid the pressure is to chew gum when taking off and landing. For small children, give them a bottle of juice, milk, or water, which they must suck. The movement of the jaw allows the ears to equalize. And, if you are really having problems, try the valslava maneuver.

Interesting...

I got a tip from passengar is get Stewardnes a warm damp towel to cover my son´s ear. It took few minutes to calm him down and feel good and fall sleep on my comfort arm.

I agree. Some people have no respect or courtesy for others. I am glad you were an attendant parent and respected those around you.

Do you want to claim that the parents of 3 years old girl are also disrespectful? No, they show their respect and tried their best to calm their daughter down but 15 minutes is not enough to calm her down... They also respect when they are being required to leave their Airline. :roll:

Anyway, thank you for warning on which airline then I will aware which flight I will not take is child-unfriendly flight.

 

[Cheri]

Good Lord Defee and Eve,

You women have children should know better than that, You know toddlers go through tantrums in their early age. It's not easy handling tantrum toddlers. Defee, spanking makes it worst. Only thing that the parents can really do is teach a tantrum child that this is not acceptable. This child is feeling frustrated for a reason, that's why the outburst went on. That doesn't mean this child is a spoil rotten, that child is only 3 years old. Yes, sure it is embarrassing, we all went through that as parents. We know what it is like, so how can you sit there and judge that toddler? My boys doctor would tell me to let them blow off steam, leave them there, let them cool it off and they will stop, guess what? They did!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Good Lord Defee and Eve,

You women have children should know better than that, You know toddlers go through tantrums in their early age. It's not easy handling tantrum toddlers. Defee, spanking makes it worst. Only thing that the parents can really do is teach a tantrum child that this is not acceptable. This child is feeling frustrated for a reason, that's why the outburst went on. That doesn't mean this child is a spoil rotten, that child is only 3 years old. Yes, sure it is embarrassing, we all went through that as parents. We know what it is like, so how can you sit there and judge that toddler? My boys doctor would tell me to let them blow off steam, leave them there, let them cool it off and they will stop, guess what? They did!

*nodding agreement*

 

[Kuifje75]

Simple solution to the whole problem:

Don't take children with you on your journeys! It will make everything so much better.

 

[Roadrunner]

Simple solution to the whole problem:

Don't take children with you on your journeys! It will make everything so much better.

Hmmm...so much for Disneyland, DisneyWorld, among other famous 'family' attractions???





~RR

 

[Heath]

Hi Roadrunner, That is exactly why !!!!!! He could have saved a couple extra thousand dollars and that is what I meant in post # 3 That is why I said that guy is crazy !!!!!!

 

[Kuifje75]

Hmmm...so much for Disneyland, DisneyWorld, among other famous 'family' attractions???





~RR

If I had a child who had bad tantrums all the time, I would not spoil him by taking him to Disneyland but punishing him in his room.

 

[DreamDeaf]

The reason why the little girl didn't sit on her mother's lap is because her mother is pregnant.

 

[Tousi]

ALL emotions put aside, from a purely PR and business point of view, the decision to remove these people and their child was the correct one.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Simple solution to the whole problem:

Don't take children with you on your journeys! It will make everything so much better.

*cough* err excuse me Kuifje75,
eeerrr um, are you expecting everyone don't bring their children for pleasure journeys! Sound alike you're Scott free? Of course I know you don't have yoru own children right but hope you could understand whoever bring their children and have fun family gateway down the attractions thrill events..

If suppose you have your own child will scream and blow your face on the airplane board... How can you handle your child?

Kuifje's wrote: If I had a child who had bad tantrums all the time, I would not spoil him by taking him to Disneyland but punishing him in his room.

*coughing louder* err um.. sorry again, *buzzz* by the way too late you're on airplane and cannot send your child in the room... and wait until landed the vacation gateway and send your child in hotel room for grounded..

Excuse me, sounded you're mean DAD!



Btw kidding but hoping you could fill me in your answer.. (chuckles)

 

[Eve]

We know what it is like, so how can you sit there and judge that toddler?

Who said anything about judging the toddler? I’m blaming the PARENTS!

My boys doctor would tell me to let them blow off steam, leave them there, let them cool it off and they will stop, guess what? They did!

Fine, but no one else deserves to be subjected to their tantrums. They aren’t the one’s who spread their legs and brought those kids into the world, that is YOUR responsibility.

Simple solution to the whole problem:

Don't take children with you on your journeys! It will make everything so much better.

BRILLIANT IDEA!

Hmmm...so much for Disneyland, DisneyWorld, among other famous 'family' attractions???

I took my kids to Disneyland via ROADTRIP. That way, no one other than my own family had to be subjected to my kids unruly behavior. That is just common courtesy and respect for others.

If I had a child who had bad tantrums all the time, I would not spoil him by taking him to Disneyland but punishing him in his room.

Kootchie, you’re my hero!

The reason why the little girl didn't sit on her mother's lap is because her mother is pregnant.

No, the reason the girl didn’t sit on her on her mother’s lap is because she is too old and it is against airline regulations.

eeerrr um, are you expecting everyone don't bring their children for pleasure journeys! S

No, he is expecting that those who have unruly children who are incapable of behaving, don’t bring the children for pleasure journeys if it will be an imposition on others.

*coughing louder* err um.. sorry again, *buzzz* by the way too late you're on airplane and cannot send your child in the room... and wait until landed the vacation gateway and send your child in hotel room for grounded..

Not too late if they don’t get on the airplane in the first place.

 

[Kuifje75]

*cough* err excuse me Kuifje75,
eeerrr um, are you expecting everyone don't bring their children for pleasure journeys! Sound alike you're Scott free? Of course I know you don't have yoru own children right but hope you could understand whoever bring their children and have fun family gateway down the attractions thrill events..

If suppose you have your own child will scream and blow your face on the airplane board... How can you handle your child?


*coughing louder* err um.. sorry again, *buzzz* by the way too late you're on airplane and cannot send your child in the room... and wait until landed the vacation gateway and send your child in hotel room for grounded..

Excuse me, sounded you're mean DAD!



Btw kidding but hoping you could fill me in your answer.. (chuckles)

Scuse me, as a frequent traveller who have to contend with children all the time on flights, I know that the parents are to blame.

Have you sat at a plane seat for 7 hours straight, feeling that the child behind you constantly kicking your seat? constantly putting the foldable table up and down? Sometimes I wonder why the parents can't know any better than to stop their children from doing these annoying behaviour.

During a leg of a trip in Norway, there was a young boy who was wildly kicking my seat. The plane was full so it wasn't possible for me to change seats. So I stood up and looked at the boy and the grandfather. I said stop! then sat down. Apparently the boy was scared and didn't kick anymore. Thank god!

If a parent want to bring their child on a journey, then it is the responsiblity of a parent to teach their child to be a good traveller. I won't take "but they are just three years old and don't know any better!" as an excuse.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Kuifje75's wrote: During a leg of a trip in Norway, there was a young boy who was wildly kicking my seat. The plane was full so it wasn't possible for me to change seats. So I stood up and looked at the boy and the grandfather. I said stop! then sat down. Apparently the boy was scared and didn't kick anymore. Thank god!

My gosh, If I were you.. I could be might to.. but have to nicely talk to child's parent proprite way... than *stare the child's eyes laid on you* Making me feel alike er um... impossible you have guts!
I would like to say , wow..

 

[Roadrunner]

If I had a child who had bad tantrums all the time, I would not spoil him by taking him to Disneyland but punishing him in his room.

That wasn't the point....

Also, how often or how many children will continue their wily ways with tantrums knowing that their on the way to a place of entertainment? Not many...will resort to that kind of behavior.




~RR

 

[Kuifje75]

My gosh, If I were you.. I could be might to.. but have to nicely talk to child's parent proprite way... than *stare the child's eyes laid on you* Making me feel alike er um... impossible you have guts!
I would like to say , wow..

Well, I can't speak English very well, let alone Norwegian.
So staring and saying one word "Stop!" was powerful enough. Smile.

 

[Kuifje75]

That wasn't the point....

Also, how often or how many children will continue their wily ways with tantrums knowing that their on the way to a place of entertainment? Not many...will resort to that kind of behavior.




~RR

I have seen so many parents being dumb about their kids. They all think that their children are angels, but in truth, the children can be the biggest nightmare to other people around. Some parents are totally blind to that. "ohhh but that sweet little girl doesn't know any better, she's only three after all!" I am sorry, but that parent is dumb cos he failed in teaching the child something about travelling.

When I was a child, I would scream all the time. But my parents taught me that it was very bad and punished me all the time. Eventually I learned and stopped screaming when I was young like 3 or 4. I appreciate my parents taking ownership of the situation rather than making excuses for me that I am deaf and don't know any better.