Can hearing buy Sorrensen VP-200????

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I was just curious if I can buy this new product. I know people are waiting for the new VP200, but can I buy it.

I went to sorrensen.com to check it out, but no information. . .only on how to get it free. . .but I am CODA. . . I need one for Christmas. . .what do you think. . . . .. maybe buy the D-link VP???
 
Dang! The answer is no, Sorenson don't sell VP-100/200 at all. They were designed intended for Deaf and HOH.
The only option we have for you is that you buy I2eye from Dlink (DVC1000).

I even had some Deafies asking us if we sell directly to them! Nope!

okla-coda said:
I was just curious if I can buy this new product. I know people are waiting for the new VP200, but can I buy it.

I went to sorrensen.com to check it out, but no information. . .only on how to get it free. . .but I am CODA. . . I need one for Christmas. . .what do you think. . . . .. maybe buy the D-link VP???
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i2eye will be better with hearing people. I used have i2eye now I switch to Sorenson! I love Sorenson
 
diehardbiker said:
Dang! The answer is no, Sorenson don't sell VP-100/200 at all. They were designed intended for Deaf and HOH.
The only option we have for you is that you buy I2eye from Dlink (DVC1000).

I even had some Deafies asking us if we sell directly to them! Nope!
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he said he is coda meaning his parent may be deaf and I think he's qualified to get one as long their parent get one too. right?

(coda = children of deaf adult)

in the apply form,

"are you deaf or hard of hearing?" answer: no
"Is ASL your primary language?" answer: yes
then in the comment box, mention that "I am CODA" and other comments you want to leave.
 
Sorenson doesn't want to sell these to hearing people because they want all hearing people to call deaf people using their VRS, that's how they make money.
 
well if that true!

Then why do you want or need relay service at first place?

Your parents are good with sign language by reading your sign? Or they just want see you?

My parents love to using VRS to contact me than the tdd. So, why is that important?
 
Not exactly true. Sorenson COULD have had them for sale, but because of FCC agreement, Sorenson is not permitted have VP100/200 for sale, period! Dlink I-2eye were developed by Sorenson in the first place as partnerned with Dlink, if you open up Dlink I-2eye and Sorenson VP-100, they look almost exact same thing. And both of them bear Sorenson Logo in there.
Just think about this, how much money could Sorenson lose if they break agreement with FCC? Sorenson can't afford to gamble that.

Dennis said:
Sorenson doesn't want to sell these to hearing people because they want all hearing people to call deaf people using their VRS, that's how they make money.
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diehardbiker said:
Not exactly true. Sorenson COULD have had them for sale, but because of FCC agreement, Sorenson is not permitted have VP100/200 for sale, period! Dlink I-2eye were developed by Sorenson in the first place as partnerned with Dlink, if you open up Dlink I-2eye and Sorenson VP-100, they look almost exact same thing. And both of them bear Sorenson Logo in there.
Just think about this, how much money could Sorenson lose if they break agreement with FCC? Sorenson can't afford to gamble that.
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Um? No. Sorenson can sell the VP-100 and VP-200. There's no agreement with the FCC to not sell the VPs. They just choose not to. Go find text somewhere that says they have an agreement that they can't sell the VP's. There isn't any because it doesn't exist.
 
No you can't or you can get in trouble with them about it. They can easily track you down and catch you. You are better off buying the DLink so that you cam communicate with the deaf people.
 
Felix, who are you talking to? Me? Because who is "they" that'll "track you down" and "catch you?" Hmmm? The FCC doesn't have police.

Sorenson might decide to disable your VP, but that's not a crime, that's just what they do to control you from letting hearing people get a VP and call you VP to VP instead of through the relay service.

Again, where is there an "agreement" between the FCC and Sorenson that Sorenson CANNOT sell the VP? There isn't any.
 
Technically Sorenson does sell it. It's called the D-Link DVC-1000. The only reason a hearing person wants the vp-100 is to use the phone number method to dial. That's reasonable, but Sorenson is the one preventing the DVC-1000 from being able to do that. The solution then is to convince Sorenson to allow it. I don't think Sorenson will ever sell the VP's as long as they have the arrangement with D-Link. Why would they undercut the sales of their partner? The only other thing to do is buy the DVC-1000 and use the IP address method to call. It's not that hard to do.
 
I am not talking to you.. I was talking to that thread starter.


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Felix, who are you talking to? Me? Because who is "they" that'll "track you down" and "catch you?" Hmmm? The FCC doesn't have police.

Sorenson might decide to disable your VP, but that's not a crime, that's just what they do to control you from letting hearing people get a VP and call you VP to VP instead of through the relay service.

Again, where is there an "agreement" between the FCC and Sorenson that Sorenson CANNOT sell the VP? There isn't any.
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Dennis said:
Sorenson doesn't want to sell these to hearing people because they want all hearing people to call deaf people using their VRS, that's how they make money.
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How can they make money off those calls??? My mom called my wife every day till she moved and havn't had VRS. Every time my mother called, it was a toll-free nmbr. So, how do they make money thrugh the VRS calls???
 
Easy! You know on every phone bill, and cell phone bill just started that which is called "Universal fund" and they would say cover the 911 services, and other services. What that "Other services" means is that it also pays for relay service. So that is where FCC collects money to cover the expenses on these relay calls made by the users. VRS gets the most money per minute basis while others like TRS gets less money. The more people use these services, those providers gets more money.

Now you see why FCC controls and creates policies for all of relay operators.


Handsome_Smiley said:
How can they make money off those calls??? My mom called my wife every day till she moved and havn't had VRS. Every time my mother called, it was a toll-free nmbr. So, how do they make money thrugh the VRS calls???
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Handsome_Smiley said:
How can they make money off those calls??? My mom called my wife every day till she moved and havn't had VRS. Every time my mother called, it was a toll-free nmbr. So, how do they make money thrugh the VRS calls???
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I don't know how familiar you are with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), but basically, the US Government says that all deaf people have equal rights to have access to the telephone like hearing people do. That means that the government pays money to companies who provide the interpreters and technology for deaf people to access the telephone.

When someone who is deaf is using a video device like a webcam or a VP to sign to an interpreter to make telephone calls, who do you think is paying for the interpreter? I'm certainly not paying for it with my credit card. The answer is the US Government. You have to follow certain rules to get paid by the government, but there's a bunch of VRS companies out there right now to choose from.
 
Dennis said:
I don't know how familiar you are with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), but basically, the US Government says that all deaf people have equal rights to have access to the telephone like hearing people do. That means that the government pays money to companies who provide the interpreters and technology for deaf people to access the telephone.

When someone who is deaf is using a video device like a webcam or a VP to sign to an interpreter to make telephone calls, who do you think is paying for the interpreter? I'm certainly not paying for it with my credit card. The answer is the US Government. You have to follow certain rules to get paid by the government, but there's a bunch of VRS companies out there right now to choose from.
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Right, I understand that. I also know those interpreters get paid real good too. They might make a lot of money from the government, but they also have to pay the interpreter and cost of upkeep. It costs a lot of money to run a VRS and sure that the gov't provides for that money.

Also, I understand if deafs didn't use VRS, then they won't have money to start with. But why couldn't hearing just streight out buy the equipment too, they could help support the program that way too.
 
No, that is not exact how it works. FCC do NOT pay for anything that involves running VRS. They pay ONLY the time the actual service is provided during the conversation between deafies and hearing parties. As right now, it is $7.50 per minute, and changes each month depending on calculation that is made by FCC. FCC do NOT pay for any space rentals, equipment cost, any technical support service, nothing... BUT the actual time VRS is in use.

Handsome_Smiley said:
Right, I understand that. I also know those interpreters get paid real good too. They might make a lot of money from the government, but they also have to pay the interpreter and cost of upkeep. It costs a lot of money to run a VRS and sure that the gov't provides for that money.

Also, I understand if deafs didn't use VRS, then they won't have money to start with. But why couldn't hearing just streight out buy the equipment too, they could help support the program that way too.
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Handsome_Smiley said:
Right, I understand that. I also know those interpreters get paid real good too. They might make a lot of money from the government, but they also have to pay the interpreter and cost of upkeep. It costs a lot of money to run a VRS and sure that the gov't provides for that money.
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To be precise, the government only pays for the time that an interpreter is actually interpreting calls. So, for example, if I use my VP to connect to an interpreter and I chat with that interpreter for a minute or two before that interpreter calls my doctor, the VRS company doesn't get paid for that minute or two.

Tech support, the network, and interpreter salaries are all paid from that time spent interpreting. That's why the cost is so high -- companies are throwing all that cost into each minute spent interpreting.

And DHB -- it's only calculated every year, once a year. Current VRS reimbursement is $6.644 for each minute spent interpreting, according to the website:
NECA - Resources - Relay Service Rate History
 
Boult said:
he said he is coda meaning his parent may be deaf and I think he's qualified to get one as long their parent get one too. right?

(coda = children of deaf adult)

in the apply form,

"are you deaf or hard of hearing?" answer: no
"Is ASL your primary language?" answer: yes
then in the comment box, mention that "I am CODA" and other comments you want to leave.
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That's what I thought. I knew some CODA persons do have it so try to ask Sorenson about that.
 
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