Difference between HARD of HEARING and DEAF

[VacationGuy234]

Exactly how involved are you in your local Deaf Community?

I've dated people who are Deaf. I know people are Deaf. I've taken ASL classes. It's how I have come to understand it.

If what you say is true, and the Anna Mindless definition is true, I'd be perfectly willing to accept that argument as she states it, "As with all social groups that a person chooses to belong to, a person is a member of the Deaf community if he or she "identifies him/herself as a member of the Deaf community, and other members accept that person as a part of the community."

I'd still wonder why there would be so much protest at Galladet if the 1978 view has truly taken root, but I would certainly accept the argument.

By that logic, I should have been using the capital D years ago. In fact, there is no reason to use a capital D anymore. After all, anyone who is accepted by someone who is Deaf(if we can find out what that is) is a member of the Deaf Community.

If I'm wrong, I stand corrected, but I just don't see it.

 

[Jiro]

I've dated people who are Deaf. I know people are Deaf. I've taken ASL classes. It's how I have come to understand it.

then I question your taste in women and choice in friends. based on your previous posts - it does appear that you need to make a better choice.

If what you say is true, and the Anna Mindless definition is true, I'd be perfectly willing to accept that argument as she states it, "As with all social groups that a person chooses to belong to, a person is a member of the Deaf community if he or she "identifies him/herself as a member of the Deaf community, and other members accept that person as a part of the community."

I'd still wonder why there would be so much protest at Galladet if the 1978 view has truly taken root, but I would certainly accept the argument.

By that logic, I should have been using the capital D years ago. In fact, there is no reason to use a capital D anymore. After all, anyone who is accepted by someone who is Deaf(if we can find out what that is) is a member of the Deaf Community.

If I'm wrong, I stand corrected, but I just don't see it.

that doesn't really answer Anji's question. EXACTLY how involved are you in deaf community?

do you frequently go to deaf events? do you frequently hang out with groups of deafies together to wherever? do you frequently meet and make new deaf friends?

 

[VacationGuy234]

then I question your taste in women and choice in friends.

Don't EVER talk ill of the women I date or the friend I have..

 

[Jiro]

Don't EVER talk ill of the women I date or the friend I have..

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about you.

so... do you frequently go to deaf events? do you frequently hang out with groups of deafies together to wherever? do you frequently meet and make new deaf friends?

 

[Bottesini]

Don't EVER talk ill of the women I date or the friend I have..

People are going to look askance at your friend choices if you tell them everyone rejects you, which is basically what you are doing.

If you don't want criticism , don't reveal anything.

And it isnt' very scary when you threaten someone in caps on the internet.

I don't care about your friend choices, but you need therapy for your incredibly screwed up sense of self.

 

[Bottesini]

Don't EVER talk ill of the women I date or the friend I have..

Oh, forgot to say, the only person I know irl with your weird attitude, is an old hearing guy who used to be married to a deaf woman, and always felt he didn't fit in.

She eventually left him for a deaf guy, but I think it was more due to his own lack of adaptability than anything else.

 

[Anij]

I've dated people who are Deaf. I know people are Deaf. I've taken ASL classes. It's how I have come to understand it.
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By that logic, I should have been using the capital D years ago. In fact, there is no reason to use a capital D anymore.

No, taking ASL classes and having some Deaf people in your life doesn't make YOU Deaf - it means you associate with some Deaf people and know a bit of ASL (just like hanging around Asian people and taking some Mandarin classes doesn't make you Chinese).

Being Deaf means being a part of the community, sharing the language, culture and values etc - it's something that happens over time and it's more about YOU than about your friends. It's also far bigger that "you" (judging others who are respected members of the Deaf community because they aren't what YOU think "Deaf" should look like is a sign that you really don't "get" Deaf at all)

After all, anyone who is accepted by someone who is Deaf(if we can find out what that is) is a member of the Deaf Community.

No, that's not how it works. Honestly, it seems like you have no actual first hand knowledge of the Deaf Community at all (not just locally, I mean as a Global Community). It's not about finding "A Deaf Person" to accept you and then you're "in". It's about YOU becoming a part of the community - a lot of that is an "internal" thing regarding how you view yourself, view those who are Hoh and deaf and Deaf and what you value etc. It's not "find a friend, get in the door"

If I'm wrong, I stand corrected, but I just don't see it.

I'm saying this as politely as I can: You ARE wrong - that you don't "see it" is a fairly strong indicator that you don't really have a lot of personal/first hand interaction with Deaf Communities or have an understanding of current Deaf Culture.

 

[Frisky Feline]

botti made a good point. just saying.

 

[Russellh]

I am profoundly deaf and i know a lot of deaf people. some use english language some use total bsl and some use both.

 

[Lau2046]

Oh, forgot to say, the only person I know irl with your weird attitude, is an old hearing guy who used to be married to a deaf woman, and always felt he didn't fit in.

She eventually left him for a deaf guy, but I think it was more due to his own lack of adaptability than anything else.

His comments weren't directed towards you and I think you could left it at what you said without adding this. This is just sinking to a personal attack. He's entitled to his opinions just as your entitled to yours. You don't have "one up" on him just because....

 

[VacationGuy234]

I haven't made this post personal about any one person, but some member are making very personal about me.

It doesn't change my view or the view of people who are actually Deaf.

The arguments that are on topic have some point, but they have not changed my view.

 

[Anij]

The arguments that are on topic have some point, but they have not changed my view.

Which is fine - however since your views deviate fairly far from the norm, please respect the Deaf Community by not presenting your views as typical, or normal for the Deaf Community.

You can think what you want ... just don't make it sound like the rest of us agree with your "unique" understanding of who is qualified to be "Deaf".

 

[Jiro]

I haven't made this post personal about any one person, but some member are making very personal about me.

yes you did.... with this

If you are wearing a hearing aid or a CI and calling yourself Deaf with a capital D, you can sure, it's not me who's been offending the Deaf Community.

You can learn about a culture. You can learn language. But, you cannot believe in something and not practice it. If you truly believe being deaf is not a problem and you don't need to be fixed, you're Deaf and if you do not you are not.

Trust me, anyone who is truly Deaf is NOT offended by my statements.

And, by the way, it isn't anyone's, "RIGHT" to include themselves in a group of which they only dream they were included.

It doesn't change my view or the view of people who are actually Deaf.

The arguments that are on topic have some point, but they have not changed my view.

ok. that's why we're asking you exactly how involved are you in deaf community.

 

[shel90]

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i have an idea to offer to twist this in bold, but before Id continue, lets take a closer look at this, HAVE they (hearing teachers/educators) have actually DONE anything to TEACH what is the hearing world? a big flat NOPE is the answer, but you CAn say is, they EXPECTED us to 'know it'...
well..to twist the idea and in effect to shove THEIR (hearings expectant louts foot into THEIR own mouths) would be so say...

in order for d/Deaf people to learn to function in the hearing world should be rephrased to, "to participate" in the hearing world...
but how? ok , so to do this, we must develop a new curriculum "Hearing world" what is it? what is hearing culture, why hearing people behave like that (not the ignoring things which annoys/upset d/Deaf people - I mean more whys the hearings are obsessed with things like music, fashion attitudes, cults, business success, what IS the hard world out there that FACES hearing people, and how can we d/Deaf are going to be better at competitive rather than better at surviving , surely hearings have to 'survive' but THEIR instincts and THEIR ideas of surviving is not ours, its being IN the In-world ready....theirs being taking seriously as careers not as freaks of nature who's has a 'miracle talents' to do the same as the hearies yuck...
see??

so..
im saying twist is around, WE CAN EXPECT to to have FULL rights to LEARN and Know what is going to equip us to MAKE it in the hearing world, not 'to function' duh , fuck that.

My whole point is that Deaf people do participate in the hearing world. People think because those who don't have speech skills aren't unable to function in the hearing world which is a completely false. People in the Deaf community wouldn't accept a person with this kind of mentality.

 

[shel90]

The only people I would be offending are the people who think they are Deaf, but really are only playing the part.

And, there is no such thing as acceptance. There is no governing body which lets you in or out, no membership card, it is a state of belief that you do not need to hear at all. A belief which I do not possess so it was never my intention to be, "accepted" as someone who uses a capital D.

Anybody can call themselves whatever they want, but that doesn't mean it is true.

What I don't understand: Why people who wear aids and have CI's feel that have to use the capital D when they don't have those beliefs.

Oh..u make decisions for people who identify themselves as Deaf or deaf. Interesting.

 

[shel90]

Point taken. There are parents who are not so strict in their view and that should be noted.

I agree that it doesn't matter. I'm just stating that there is a difference and that some people believe there should be a difference. That is the topic of the thread.

As for myself, I consider us all deaf. But, you have to understand that there is a difference to understand where the disagreements come from on both sides.

Pls do not make decisions on how in identify myself. I am a grown woman who has the right to make my own decision. That's my I don't take part in religion..that's what they tend to do. Many in the Deaf community consider me as Deaf and I consider myself as Deaf.

 

[shel90]

heck - I've been to several small/large deaf events in Boston and it's all good.

I just got back from DC yesterday for DeafNation Expo. I was working a table there and has met hundreds deafies of all kinds - HOH, Oral, Deaf, deaf, CI, HA, CODA (little one and grown up), late-deaf, "late-ASL'er" (like me), "generation" deafie, etc. no problem. all is good. nobody got judged.

One of my friends that I introduced you to, Tanesha, grew up culturally Deaf and she didn't judge you at all. She thought you were cool.

 

[shel90]

I thought Anij just did

He does t want to be open minded, it seems.

 

[shel90]

His comments weren't directed towards you and I think you could left it at what you said without adding this. This is just sinking to a personal attack. He's entitled to his opinions just as your entitled to yours. You don't have "one up" on him just because....

Not when his opinions is about making decisions for us and a group of people. It is like one saying that gay people are not allowed to get married because it is morally wrong. That's why there are protests against this kind of thinking.

 

[VacationGuy234]

Which is fine - however since your views deviate fairly far from the norm, please respect the Deaf Community by not presenting your views as typical, or normal for the Deaf Community.

You can think what you want ... just don't make it sound like the rest of us agree with your "unique" understanding of who is qualified to be "Deaf".

If my views are so far from the norm, why do people(who are deaf) keep coming to the site posting that the Deaf Community doesn't accept them?

I'm sure Jane Fernandez has a different view than the, "norm" of the deaf community today.

And, I've never stated that I've spoken for the Deaf Community(as I'm not part of it) or for anyone else beside myself.

The OP can decide about the Deaf Community from this thread.