What Is the Big Deal With Gay Marriage?

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jillio said:
Why? Because I refuse to accept a religious belief that does not apply to all for a legal premise that does? There is a reason that you are allowed to choose your religion but laws apply to all equally.
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Same-sex marriage is not the law of the land in the USA. It's been passed in a few states.

We do get to choose our laws by voting in referendums, and by electing representatives who will vote for us.
 
posts from hell said:
Reba - I gots a question for you...

Two people named Chris and Sam are going to get married. The thing is that they're both bona-fide hermaphrodites with fully equipped organs - What do you say? ok or not ok?

(.... before anyone writes this off, one of them is actually my friend.)
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This is exactly why I asked if anyone had bothered to read the studies I was referencing in a previous post.
 
Reba said:
Same-sex marriage is not the law of the land in the USA. It's been passed in a few states.

We do get to choose our laws by voting in referendums, and by electing representatives who will vote for us.
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But what criteria are you using to make those votes? A few states, several countries, and moving forward.
 
posts from hell said:
Reba - I gots a question for you...

Two people named Chris and Sam are going to get married. The thing is that they're both bona-fide hermaphrodites with fully equipped organs - What do you say? ok or not ok?

(.... before anyone writes this off, one of them is actually my friend.)
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I'm not Reba...
The current legal definition of male has nothing to do with a penis, it has to do with having one (or more) 'Y' chromosomes... the current definition of female is lacking 'Y' chromosomes...

this actually came up in our ethics class for Med.

Most Hermaphrodites get 'gender assigned' at birth or shortly after birth (by removal of a non fully formed organ, whichever one).

How to house the set (there where three in the same area it was apparently a 'non gender assigned' hermaphrodite convention that then had a tragic accident :roll:)

The correct answer was to ask the person's their chosen gender identity, (or assign then all single rooms... which didn't count for full credit but should have... *my answer*)
 
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jillio said:
I'm not bashing it. I am describing it. Paternalistic, ethnocentric, and imperialistic are all descriptives. In the way I used them they are descriptive of a type of behavior and/or attitude.
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Even when your descriptives are simply inaccurate biased opinions.

Thankfully, people can read all the posts for themselves, and make their own judgments. They don't have to depend on your "descriptives."
 
Gender and sexual orientation are two completely different issues.
 
FireTiger said:
I'm not Reba...
The current legal definition of male has nothing to do with a penis, it has to do with having one (or more) 'Y' chromosomes... the current definition of female is lacking 'Y' chromosomes...

this actually came up in our ethics class for Med.

Most Hermaphrodites get 'gender assigned' at birth or shortly after birth (by removal of a non fully formed organ, whichever one).

How to house the set (there where three in the same area it was apparently a 'non gender assigned' hermaphrodite convention that then had a tragic accident :roll:)

The correct answer was to ask the person's their chosen gender identity, (or assign then all single rooms... which didn't count for full credit but should have... *my answer*)
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Actually, genetically, we are programed to become female by default. It is the effects of hormone exposure prenatally that make the determination of whether one becomes male or female. Since they don't do genetic testing at birth, it is entirely possible for a newborn to appear male but to have the chromosome make up of a female, or vice versa. These instances are not true hermaphroditism, or intersexed individuals. They are individuals who have the external and internal genitalia of one sex, but the chromosome pattern of the opposite sex.
 
Reba said:
Even when your descriptives are simply inaccurate biased opinions.

Thankfully, people can read all the posts for themselves, and make their own judgments. They don't have to depend on your "descriptives."
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You see them as inaccurate; I see them as accurate.

Yes, thank goodness they can. They are not dependent upon my descriptives. They are perfectly capapble of applying the same ones themselves.:)
 
sallylou said:
Gender and sexual orientation are two completely different issues.
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True..... I never got the association between the GLB and the T. IMO the T really holds the GLB back. Not with me but just opinions I have heard here and there.
 
Most people, including myself, have a hard time understanding transgender issues. I try to look at it as people being what they were born to be when the apparent gender didn't fit. I can imagine that it's really hard for transpeople growing up.
 
TXgolfer said:
True..... I never got the association between the GLB and the T. IMO the T really holds the GLB back. Not with me but just opinions I have heard here and there.
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Why would transsexual or transgender hold the gay, lesbian, and bisexual group back? A transexual and a transgender are two different things and the T stands for both.
 
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