SEE is a language... It's English...

[Beowulf]

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from what i understand, the issue is trying to read and write a language that you do not know. ASL using children do not know English, so they have to learn an entirely new and different language to read and write. Literacy is linked to the ability to use (and know) english for face to face communication. Without that reading and writing are hugely difficult and that is why the "4th grade" barrier remains.

Not according to what I have seen in the studies so far. Apparently, the advantage the young CI users have over deaf children is negligible. Teaching English with ASL seems to make the best sense. That is what I have gathered so far and I am still reading.

 

[faire_jour]

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ASL and English are entirely 2 different languages. One doesn't have to solve the other. I am 40 years old, I grew up with both English and ASL. I don't see myself having much of a literacy issue.

then you are in the minority.

while ASL provides language and allows for the development of critical thinking, it does not provide for English literacy. The research we have been discussing focuses on that very issue. How do we provide deaf kids with a working knowledge of English so that they can develop reading and writing skills comparable to hearing kids?

 

[Jiro]

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it isn't a myth. Deaf of Deaf still struggle with reading. The myth is that ASL solves all the literacy issues.

so why are there so many hearing students still struggling with reading?

 

[AlleyCat]

You can teach a child ASL.

You can teach a child English. We do read and write.

We are not in the minority.

 

[Beowulf]

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then you are in the minority.

while ASL provides language and allows for the development of critical thinking, it does not provide for English literacy. The research we have been discussing focuses on that very issue. How do we provide deaf kids with a working knowledge of English so that they can develop reading and writing skills comparable to hearing kids?

The studies point out that young CI users do not have the same level as the hearing kids. So?

 

[shel90]

so why are there so many hearing students still struggling with reading?

That is the question I constantly ask over and over and over and over and over and over again but never gets answered.

It is obvious that they dont have a answer for that.

 

[faire_jour]

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from what i understand, the issue is trying to read and write a language that you do not know. ASL using children do not know English, so they have to learn an entirely new and different language to read and write. Literacy is linked to the ability to use (and know) english for face to face communication. Without that reading and writing are hugely difficult and that is why the "4th grade" barrier remains.

Not according to what I have seen in the studies so far. Apparently, the advantage the young CI users have over deaf children is negligible. Teaching English with ASL seems to make the best sense. That is what I have gathered so far and I am still reading.

and in what way do we teach English? The child needs to know the language BEFORE they try to learn to read. So, how do we get them a mastery of English?

 

[Jiro]

and in what way do we teach English? The child needs to know the language BEFORE they try to learn to read. So, how do we get them a mastery of English?

FYI - children needs to learn how to communicate first before they read.

 

[Beowulf]

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and in what way do we teach English? The child needs to know the language BEFORE they try to learn to read. So, how do we get them a mastery of English?

ASL is a language, no problem. Use it to teach English. So simple.

 

[shel90]

ASL is a language, no problem. Use it to teach English. So simple.

So simple as putting shoes on unless for that person, there are many shoelaces knots to navigate through.

 

[Daredevel7]

Deja vu?

 

[shel90]

FYI - children needs to learn how to communicate first before they read.

To say that a child must know a spoken language in order to be able to read and write is really audist.

 

[Jiro]

That is the question I constantly ask over and over and over and over and over and over again but never gets answered.

It is obvious that they dont have a answer for that.

I'll answer for you because they know it and they don't wanna say it.

The answer is.... the literacy rate is dependent on parental involvement in their lives (both hearing and deaf) and they don't want to link deaf children's illiteracy rate to that otherwise it would weaken their SEE argument.

 

[faire_jour]

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You can teach a child ASL.

You can teach a child English. We do read and write.

We are not in the minority.

the majority of deaf high school students read at levels considered "far below" proficient.

if the only language a deaf 6 year old knows is ASL, how are they going to learn to read English? They need to learn the language first, get to a level in which they can use English for face to face communication and then they can learn to read.

(and no, i am not talking about speaking. I am talking about ANY way of being fluent in English.)

 

[AlleyCat]

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the majority of deaf high school students read at levels considered "far below" proficient.

if the only language a deaf 6 year old knows is ASL, how are they going to learn to read English? They need to learn the language first, get to a level in which they can use English for face to face communication and then they can learn to read.

(and no, i am not talking about speaking. I am talking about ANY way of being fluent in English.)

Oh no. Not doing this fight again. We went through all this last year. If a bunch of us here aren't examples enough for you, then I simply don't know what to post anymore.

 

[faire_jour]

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and in what way do we teach English? The child needs to know the language BEFORE they try to learn to read. So, how do we get them a mastery of English?

ASL is a language, no problem. Use it to teach English. So simple.

except that the research says it isn't that simple.

 

[Beowulf]

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the majority of deaf high school students read at levels considered "far below" proficient.

if the only language a deaf 6 year old knows is ASL, how are they going to learn to read English? They need to learn the language first, get to a level in which they can use English for face to face communication and then they can learn to read.

(and no, i am not talking about speaking. I am talking about ANY way of being fluent in English.)

Maybe if the majority of high school kids knew ASL, their reading proficiency levels would rise? Get real.

 

[deafskeptic]

(Yours sucks too !!!!)

My English is gooder than you all. So there!

 

[Beowulf]

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except that the research says it isn't that simple.

On the contrary. It does. Watch out for the word "language." It can be ASL as well as English.

 

[faire_jour]

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FYI - children needs to learn how to communicate first before they read.

To say that a child must know a spoken language in order to be able to read and write is really audist.

no one is saying that they must speak, just that they have to know the language that they are learning to read.