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CSign said:
So the goal is in fact to drive out diversity. Interesting. No surprise that members who didn't fit into the little box didn't stay. I guess there has been partial success then.
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So only the parents of deaf children get to have their say in a forum for the Deaf?

What about the Deaf who grew up deaf and the deaf children don't get to speak? After all, we're benighted so we get discounted - never mind the fact that most of us struggled to understand the world around them and many had to struggle to speak clearly? Never mind that visual commincation is our strength? Oh your child will be different. Yeah right.
 
deafskeptic said:
So only the parents of deaf children get to have their say in a forum for the Deaf?

What about the Deaf who grew up deaf and the deaf children don't get to speak. After all, we're benighted so we get discounted - never mind the fact that most of us struggled to understand the world round them and many had to struggle to speak clearly? Never mind that visual commincation is our strength? Oh your child will be different. Yeah right.
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See what I mean about continuing audism?:wave:
 
jillio said:
Yep, the Deaf spoke, and again you didn't listen.:cool2:
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I'm seeing a lot of diversity that you don't speak to. Or for. Or with. Apparently you see only what you want to see: Us v. Them.

Yes, there are some who are extremely grateful to you. And not without good reason. You really could be such a wonderful force if you weren't so belligerent and closed-minded, so focused on yourself and your "permission granted" to see that not every d//Deaf on this forum gives you permission to speak on his or her behalf. Not only do I see it here, but there are a not so small number of d/Deaf on this forum who are very uncomfortable saying so publicly, given your history of waging war against any who do not express the appropriate amount of gratitude for your existence here in this self-appointed role.

You've said you mainstreamed your child through elementary school, and as you came to learn more about his needs, later moved him to a school that pursues a Total Communication philosophy, or as you describe it, a TC methodology. The process you went through to undergo that kind of growth is important. If the Jillio of today came across the Jillio of 20 years ago and treated her with so much disrespect, harassing her, driving a wedge between her and the Deaf community, and generally going on such an offensive that young Jillio was forced to brace against the cruelty, cementing her position, perhaps your son would not have benefitted from that growth and understanding, that openness to the Deaf community.

I think you are selfishly taking on the role of Defender of the Deaf ... to the Death -- driving away parents of deaf children, effectively driving those children away from ASL and the Deaf world. Rather than participating in non-judgmental conversation and sharing your considerable experience, impacting families in s many ways.
 
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final on away on stay dr.phil :lol:

hope be focus on defend protect forum!
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm seeing a lot of diversity that you don't speak to. Or for. Or with. Apparently you see only what you want to see: Us v. Them.

Yes, there are some who are extremely grateful to you. And not without good reason. You really could be such a wonderful force if you weren't so belligerent and closed-minded, so focused on yourself and your "permission granted" to see that not every d//Deaf on this forum gives you permission to speak on his or her behalf. Not only do I see it here, but there are a not so small number of d/Deaf on this forum who are very uncomfortable saying so publicly, given your history of waging war against any who do not express the appropriate amount of gratitude for your existence here in this self-appointed role.

You've said you mainstreamed your child through elementary school, and as you came to learn more about his needs, later moved him to a school that pursues a Total Communication philosophy, or as you describe it, a TC methodology. The process you went through to undergo that kind of growth is important. If the Jillio of today came across the Jillio of 20 years ago and treated her with so much disrespect, harassing her, driving a wedge between her and the Deaf community, and generally going on such an offensive that young Jillio was forced to brace against the cruelty, cementing her position, perhaps your son would not have benefitted from that growth and understanding, that openness to the Deaf community.

I think you are selfishly taking on the role of Defender of the Deaf ... to the Death -- driving away parents of deaf children, effectively driving those children away from ASL and the Deaf world. Rather than participating in non-judgmental conversation and sharing your considerable experience, impacting families in s many ways.
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And what are you going to do about it?
 
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GrendelQ said:
That's what I recall, too. He had some kind of ossification issue that they tried to work around initially, wasn't it something like that? I loved his posts.
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I think so, and he had to have the ear packed. I liked Rockdrummer too. I never understood why he left.
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because he was attacked non-stop.
 
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GrendelQ said:
I'm seeing a lot of diversity that you don't speak to. Or for. Or with. Apparently you see only what you want to see: Us v. Them.

Yes, there are some who are extremely grateful to you. And not without good reason. You really could be such a wonderful force if you weren't so belligerent and closed-minded, so focused on yourself and your "permission granted" to see that not every d//Deaf on this forum gives you permission to speak on his or her behalf. Not only do I see it here, but there are a not so small number of d/Deaf on this forum who are very uncomfortable saying so publicly, given your history of waging war against any who do not express the appropriate amount of gratitude for your existence here in this self-appointed role.

You've said you mainstreamed your child through elementary school, and as you came to learn more about his needs, later moved him to a school that pursues a Total Communication philosophy, or as you describe it, a TC methodology. The process you went through to undergo that kind of growth is important. If the Jillio of today came across the Jillio of 20 years ago and treated her with so much disrespect, harassing her, driving a wedge between her and the Deaf community, and generally going on such an offensive that young Jillio was forced to brace against the cruelty, cementing her position, perhaps your son would not have benefitted from that growth and understanding, that openness to the Deaf community.

I think you are selfishly taking on the role of Defender of the Deaf ... to the Death -- driving away parents of deaf children, effectively driving those children away from ASL and the Deaf world. Rather than participating in non-judgmental conversation and sharing your considerable experience, impacting families in s many ways.
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Still not listening and still playing the twist and turn.:cool2: And some of what you are claiming is completely fictitous. But we are getting very used to that.
 
jillio said:
Still not listening and still playing the twist and turn.:cool2:
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Yes, I can see that's what you are doing, but please take off the shades and look around you. This is not about your role, it's about making this forum a place where all d/Deaf can have a voice. Without you as interpreter. Let new people talk to those with experience, let those with experience understand new people on their own terms. Let diverse opinions stand, they don't undermine what it means to be Deaf, they make it stronger.
 
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You know what I'd like to see? Some hearing parents who join the Deaf community separate and apart from their children. You know, make adult Deaf friends and attend grown up Deaf events. This happens with terps and CODAs more than with parents.
 
GrendelQ said:
Yes, I can see that's what you are doing, but please take off the shades and look around you. This is not about your role, it's about making this forum a place where all d/Deaf can have a voice. Without you as interpreter. Let new people talk to those with experience, let those with experience understand new people on their own terms. Let diverse opinions stand, they don't undermine what it means to be Deaf, they make it stronger.
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I want Jillio to be here to be my voice while I am also voicing out. Comprede?

Certainly not Faire Jour, Rick, or you.
 
deafskeptic said:
So only the parents of deaf children get to have their say in a forum for the Deaf?

What about the Deaf who grew up deaf and the deaf children don't get to speak? After all, we're benighted so we get discounted - never mind the fact that most of us struggled to understand the world around them and many had to struggle to speak clearly? Never mind that visual commincation is our strength? Oh your child will be different. Yeah right.
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I never said, nor implied that.
 
Dang. I feel like I went to the fights and a hockey game broke out.
 
sallylou said:
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You know what I'd like to see? Some hearing parents who join the Deaf community separate and apart from their children. You know, make adult Deaf friends and attend grown up Deaf events. This happens with terps and CODAs more than with parents.
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I see it all the time. When we can get babysitters. But you know how it is with teenagers today and their social lives. :)
 
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