How to save residental programs?

shel90 said:
So, these kids are living in the dorms and learning about citizenship, doing their homework, and most importantly...feel safe from the streets.
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I wouldn't put too much faith in the system. I was a day student at a residential school. I can tell you without hesitation that many residential students there didn't know their boundaries, manners, etc. Not to mention a large number of them had a habit of doing drugs, getting in trouble, etc.

Thankfully, I had a family who cared enough to learn sign language to communicate with me. I learned a lot from them. You don't learn much from living in a dorm since none of the students have any real life experiences to share. Not even the houseparents.

From what I have seen and heard, I wouldn't send a child to any of these schools. Ever.
 
Banjo said:
I wouldn't put too much faith in the system. I was a day student at a residential school. I can tell you without hesitation that many residential students there didn't know their boundaries, manners, etc. Not to mention a large number of them had a habit of doing drugs, getting in trouble, etc.

Thankfully, I had a family who cared enough to learn sign language to communicate with me. I learned a lot from them. You don't learn much from living in a dorm since none of the students have any real life experiences to share. Not even the houseparents.

From what I have seen and heard, I wouldn't send a child to any of these schools. Ever.
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Which is why I was focusing on making it easy for parents or guardians to move near the deaf school. Sadly, deaf kids from broken homes need to get their education somewhere and being put in a hearing group home don't really help. Maybe deaf group home near deaf school instead of dorm?
 
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Has there ever been a study on the psychological impact of deaf students living in a dorm as opposed at home, with family?
 
Banjo said:
I wouldn't put too much faith in the system. I was a day student at a residential school. I can tell you without hesitation that many residential students there didn't know their boundaries, manners, etc. Not to mention a large number of them had a habit of doing drugs, getting in trouble, etc.

Thankfully, I had a family who cared enough to learn sign language to communicate with me. I learned a lot from them. You don't learn much from living in a dorm since none of the students have any real life experiences to share. Not even the houseparents.

From what I have seen and heard, I wouldn't send a child to any of these schools. Ever.
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You are entitled to your opinion.

From what I have seen what happens to kids who have been neglected in their homes and those who got transferred to dorms mmakes me have some faith in these systems.

Not every child should be sent to the dorms. It is up to the family to decide, not me.
 
To me it is like advocating FOR orphanages! Why would you WANT a family to abandon their child? :dunno:
 
I am all for children staying with their families. However, we know that in reality, many deaf children are left out constantly by their family members or worse, in abusive homes.
 
Sigh. When I was about ten, my father would threaten to leave me at a deaf institute if I didn't behave. I would cry myself to sleep. Can't help but hate those places even though I have never been in one.
 
By saying that all deaf dorms are bad is saying that my friends who work in the dorms are abusive to the students.

I have a lot of respect for my friends who too on those jobs because they aren't easy. Very high risk jobs.
 
Beowulf said:
Sigh. When I was about ten, my father would threaten to leave me at a deaf institute if I didn't behave. I would cry myself to sleep. Can't help but hate those places even though I have never been in one.
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terrible. Deaf people often feel unloved by their parents.

My grandma told my mom that I should go to a deaf school. I was actually excited by it because I thought I would be able finally improve by someone who is expert on deaf children. I hated my public school, the kids in it and teachers. Mom said no.
 
My brother went to a day deaf school but he had friends in Tucson who went to the residential school there. He used to beg my mom to send him to that other school.

Later, I asked him why..he said that nobody (including me) knew ASL and he was always left out whenver he was at home. I felt so guilty for not signing when I was younger but then again, the adults in my life wouldn't allow me to learn ASL for fear that it would interfere with my oral skills.

I guess I should as his friends (they are on my FB) how they liked living in the dorms at Arizona's only residential school.
 
My brother went to a day deaf school but he had friends in Tucson who went to the residential school there. He used to beg my mom to send him to that other school.

Later, I asked him why..he said that nobody (including me) knew ASL and he was always left out whenver he was at home. I felt so guilty for not signing when I was younger but then again, the adults in my life wouldn't allow me to learn ASL for fear that it would interfere with my oral skills.

I guess I should as his friends (they are on my FB) how they liked living in the dorms at Arizona's only residential school.
 
f poor parents are necessarily bad parents, maybe all poor parents-to-be should be sterilized if they don't meet a certain standard. T
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Grendel, I am NOT being all super conservative Republican. I am just saying that with the fact that some poor people may be dealing with really bad stuff, and b/c they may not have as much resources as wealthier families, it might be a good idea for their kids to take advantage of the fact they could live at school. Give them some stabilty and stuff.
I am all for children staying with their families. However, we know that in reality, many deaf children are left out constantly by their family members or worse, in abusive homes.
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Ditto!!!! Or in unsafe situtions like a dangerous inner city housing development or the Rosebud Indian reservation or in a neighborhood with gangs or whatever. Say for example, a dhh kid lives in Gary Indiana, or East St. Louis or Camden NJ, or Watts or Compton, or the South Bronx, or any other number of dangerous cities or dangerous areas of cities. These are areas with really bad crime problems. Camden NJ even has a lot of drive by shootings
faire joure, I know you're Mormon. Mormons are a bit more......clean living then a lot of mainstream America. I really don't know too much about the social problems in Mormon culture, BUT it could be that the problems seen in mainstream American poverty aren't seen too much in Mormon society. Not saying that they are non existantant....just that stuff like meth, coke, FAS, alchololism, or even cigerette smoking , and gangs and violence isn't as horrible as it could be else where.....and even then, there might be some poor parents who b/c of problems like emotional instablity or whatever may not have abilty or local/family resources.

To me it is like advocating FOR orphanages! Why would you WANT a family to abandon their child?
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Well first of all, putting them in a res school isn't nessarily abandoning them. It's NOT like it was in the old days, where kids were just automaticly sent to Deaf School, or Blind School or the state insitutions for the intelelctucally disabled. It's not warehousing them. It's more like......they live at school, that's all. Granted I personally don't think that little kids should be boarding (unless maybe they're foster kids or from a dangerous or middle of now where area) and that going off to live in a dorm should be reserved for kids who are old enough to spend the night at a friend's house. Remember, virtually ALL res schools now have weekend home policies, and there's videophones and the net and parents are always welcome to visit and everything. There's a lot of family involvement.
 
The govt down here is cutting fundings for country students who wants to attend deaf school but will have to be boarded. Because govt makes it harder for parents to get the funding, which means the deaf student stays put. :S

Some residential schools does not educate kids about boundaries as they should. I have to say what Banjo saw is true. The dorm counsellors did not create many activities for the kids nor do they enforce more study time. I wouldn't put my kid in residential school unless it's needed.

But I have to say if deaf children are in dysfunctional homes then deaf residential schools might be the best place for them.

I only wish that agency will create a section like all hoh/deaf kids in foster care are to be placed only with qualified deaf parents or people who can sign. Then these deaf foster kids will have better home life in foster care. But how do we encourage more of those deaf people to put their hands up and take on the challenge of raising a deaf foster child and thereby have the opportunity to enrich the child's life with full communication, deaf culture and safe, secure place to call home?

Agency and deaf community would have to work on this harmoniously and not let power mongers get in the way of achieving vital goals.
 
shel90 said:
You are entitled to your opinion.

From what I have seen what happens to kids who have been neglected in their homes and those who got transferred to dorms mmakes me have some faith in these systems.

Not every child should be sent to the dorms. It is up to the family to decide, not me.
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Just the facts, ma'am.

By the way, I know quite a lot of dirty secrets. There are teachers who sexually molested children and yet are still working there to this day. The administration is aware of it and they will do anything to bury it. So therefore, the victims have to live with it.
 
deafdyke said:
Grendel, I am NOT being all super conservative Republican.
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:laugh2: I know. I get what you are saying. I find it a dilemma, as well, and there have been amazing programs designed to offer children in impoverished environments special programs -- they've been very successful. It's not your idea of a great boarding school that I was lampooning. Having adopted my child from an institutional environment, I wouldn't choose to place her back in one anytime soon, but there is a new global HS program that does each semester in a different city around the world, that I drool over having Li attend, although at $145K a year ... uh uh). It was the follow-up discussion equating poverty with bad parenting that I object to.
 
GrendelQ said:
Perhaps action should be taken much sooner. If poor parents are necessarily bad parents, maybe all poor parents-to-be should be sterilized if they don't meet a certain standard. This could be assessed as part of the marriage license process and reduce paperwork, or when you update your driver's license.
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Only reason I would advocate sterlization if the person has two working hands and yet can't/won't learn sign language. Those kind of people are a burden to the deaf people. They are the reason why deaf kids are isolated and lonely.
You talked about sterilization and it is not hard to see that you or others will extend it to deaf population as it was done in the past.
 
deafgal001 said:
deaf schools should be near where people can have good job opportunties so parents can move there. Also, have a affordable apts.
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It would be great of the mainstream schools had deaf ed programs that were modeled after the deaf shool programs. That way the availability would be equal to what it is for mainstream schools. I know that is not likley due to supply and demand but it would be nice and it would address the concerns regarding re-location and some of the negatives associated with some residental programs.
 
Buffalo said:
Only reason I would advocate sterlization if the person has two working hands and yet can't/won't learn sign language. Those kind of people are a burden to the deaf people. They are the reason why deaf kids are isolated and lonely.
You talked about sterilization and it is not hard to see that you or others will extend it to deaf population as it was done in the past.
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No, that proposal was for poor people in general. Deaf people could be fed to the hungry. Here's some research on the subject for you.

Hmm, quite an idea, though -- do you really think I should sterilize my child?
 
Buffalo said:
Only reason I would advocate sterlization if the person has two working hands and yet can't/won't learn sign language. Those kind of people are a burden to the deaf people. They are the reason why deaf kids are isolated and lonely.
You talked about sterilization and it is not hard to see that you or others will extend it to deaf population as it was done in the past.
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Deaf people's fault. They spread their precious gene to those people. They are irresponsible. jk, jk! I thought I would just join ya'll sick jokes.
 
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