Childs behavior

[GrendelQ]

Then you're just about out of luck, aren't you, with continuing your fight against us? Make a new thread, one that discusses how seven (or younger) year old children learn spoken language today. I suspect you would be about the only poster in that thread, if not a couple others. No disrespect intended, but you are posting about situations that do not apply to the majority of us on this board. We are either older than Miss Kat and learned a different method, or others are post-lingually deaf. Why bother with the "no, no, no this is how it is" when none of us have that experience? I would never be a cat lover going to a dog forum and trying to enforce my cat ideas and processes on dog owners. We know and value our ideas of oral skills, and you disagree because you value your own ideas of spoken language, yet you continually shove it down our throats by saying, "this is how it is today." Guess what? We were not there "today". We speak of what we know of.

AlleyCat, this isn't a fight against you. The OP has a 3YO with bilateral CIs and is asking for advice. Faire Jour has a 7YO with bilateral implants who uses both ASL and spoken language. She has researched so much about what's available to and for children today. This is in no way an indictment of what you've done in the past, and what has worked for you is great input. But why would you suggest FJ's experience and perspective is irrelevant to someone in a very similar situation to hers?

 

[posts from hell]

AlleyCat, this isn't a fight against you. The OP has a 3YO with bilateral CIs and is asking for advice. Faire Jour has a 7YO with bilateral implants who uses both ASL and spoken language. She has researched so much about what's available to and for children today. This is in no way an indictment of what you've done in the past, and what has worked for you is great input. But why would you suggest FJ's experience and perspective is irrelevant to someone in a very similar situation to hers?

Well... Because shes saying "No, it is not like this and that...." "no no no" When in actuality it is happening. So, how credible is that as an advice giver?

 

[faire_jour]

Well... Because shes saying "No, it is not like this and that...." "no no no" When in actuality it is happening. So, how credible is that as an advice giver?

I'm curious, where do you get the information that I am wrong? Do you have a child with CI's? Are you involved with oral deaf education today? Do you regularly participate in aural rehab or AV therapy? I am giving advice from that place. I am a parent of a child with CI's. I participate in aural rehab with her twice a week as well as AV therapy at school. We have worked with around 25 SLP's as well as a half a dozen AV therapist across several states. I have also attended both conferences aimed at parents and families as well as professional trainings.

 

[shel90]

I'm curious, where do you get the information that I am wrong? Do you have a child with CI's? Are you involved with oral deaf education today? Do you regularly participate in aural rehab or AV therapy? I am giving advice from that place. I am a parent of a child with CI's. I participate in aural rehab with her twice a week as well as AV therapy at school. We have worked with around 25 SLP's as well as a half a dozen AV therapist across several states. I have also attended both conferences aimed at parents and families as well as professional trainings.

But all what u have learned won't be good advice to a parent whose child is struggling with oralism and speech. We have struggled with having access to language and know what it is like to have these kinds of struggles personally.

 

[deafskeptic]

WHAT????

Now that was a facepalmy moment for FJ. :P

 

[faire_jour]

But all what u have learned won't be good advice to a parent whose child is struggling with oralism and speech. We have struggled with having access to language and know what it is like to have these kinds of struggles personally.

Why not? I also have 5 years experience raising a child whose only language was ASL, as well as how to learn and provide ASL in her home and school enviroment.

 

[GrendelQ]

Well... Because shes saying "No, it is not like this and that...." "no no no" When in actuality it is happening. So, how credible is that as an advice giver?

Because methods in use 20, 30, 40 years ago with children who had little or no amplification are not the same as those in use today with children who have CIs. She's not saying it didn't happen.

But more important, she's saying that language should be the focus, not oral skills. Several others here are saying that oral skills must be the focus for this 3YO who signs and has CIs. With which do you agree?

 

[Beowulf]

Why not? I also have 5 years experience raising a child whose only language was ASL, as well as how to learn and provide ASL in her home and school enviroment.

Thank God you're not a kangaroo or we will never hop correctly again.

 

[Jiro]

lol - I know exactly why ya'all are at FJ... but for wrong reason. You overlook the fact that FJ's child does know ASL and does get involved with deaf people and deaf activities. And she's also learning how to talk. There's nothing wrong with that.

FJ's motive is not even about L1/L2 or bad English writing associated with ASL as L1. I believe Miss Kat is doing just fine and is coping with it just fine. Based on her posts - FJ is not interested in raising her child as a culturally-deaf person. Why? We've seen all kinds of negative things from deaf culture. Let's admit it. On big picture - they're immature and dramatic. It saddens me. LEVEL!

 

[Beowulf]

lol - I know exactly why ya'all are at FJ... but for wrong reason. You overlook the fact that FJ's child does know ASL and does get involved with deaf people and deaf activities. And she's also learning how to talk. There's nothing wrong with that.

FJ's motive is not even about L1/L2 or bad English writing associated with ASL as L1. I believe Miss Kat is doing just fine and is coping with it just fine. Based on her posts - FJ is not interested in raising her child as a culturally-deaf person. Why? We've seen all kinds of negative things from deaf culture. Let's admit it. On big picture - they're immature and dramatic. It saddens me. LEVEL!

Your mama, Jiro, your mama!

 

[GrendelQ]

Your mama, Jiro, your mama!

Now it's really on!

 

[Jiro]

Your mama, Jiro, your mama!

 

[Beowulf]

 

[posts from hell]

I'm curious, where do you get the information that I am wrong? Do you have a child with CI's? Are you involved with oral deaf education today? Do you regularly participate in aural rehab or AV therapy? I am giving advice from that place. I am a parent of a child with CI's. I participate in aural rehab with her twice a week as well as AV therapy at school. We have worked with around 25 SLP's as well as a half a dozen AV therapist across several states. I have also attended both conferences aimed at parents and families as well as professional trainings.

Because methods in use 20, 30, 40 years ago with children who had little or no amplification are not the same as those in use today with children who have CIs. She's not saying it didn't happen.

But more important, she's saying that language should be the focus, not oral skills. Several others here are saying that oral skills must be the focus for this 3YO who signs and has CIs. With which do you agree?

Just because what I witnessed three weeks ago .... Makes FJ's entire argument null. But again, I am not the one that goes and do "I participate in aural rehab with her twice a week as well as AV therapy at school. We have worked with around 25 SLP's as well as a half a dozen AV therapist across several states. I have also attended both conferences aimed at parents and families as well as professional trainings."

You guys are right.... What do I know about raising a deaf child..... Being a deaf person going through the experience itself, and actually being a parent of a deaf child.... heh.. you guys are comical. hence the stupidity in this thread.

 

[shel90]

Because methods in use 20, 30, 40 years ago with children who had little or no amplification are not the same as those in use today with children who have CIs. She's not saying it didn't happen.

But more important, she's saying that language should be the focus, not oral skills. Several others here are saying that oral skills must be the focus for this 3YO who signs and has CIs. With which do you agree?

Many of us said give the child ASL since spoken language/oralism doesn't seem to be helping the child.

 

[shel90]

Why not? I also have 5 years experience raising a child whose only language was ASL, as well as how to learn and provide ASL in her home and school enviroment.

In that post that I just responded, you talked about oralism/AVT..nothing about ASL.

That's why many of us get the impression that you are more of an advocate for oralism/aVT than for ASL.

 

[GrendelQ]

Many of us said give the child ASL since spoken language/oralism doesn't seem to be helping the child.

It would have been a valid suggestion, but you were all too busy arguing that oral skills rather than English should be the focus to make it.

 

[deafgal001]

It would have been a valid suggestion, but you were all too busy arguing that oral skills rather than English should be the focus to make it.

Yes, it would have, wouldn't it? It's a shame... If only FJ behaved herself and didn't say we look like a bunch of donkeys for making those suggestions (In case you are wondering, The Mod removed those posts)

 

[GrendelQ]

In that post that I just responded, you talked about oralism/AVT..nothing about ASL.

That's why many of us get the impression that you are more of an advocate for oralism/aVT than for ASL.

Her first post was 'go visual'. Only now, when her credibility in discussing methods in use to develop spoken language is challenged is she bringing up her experience with various aural rehab, AVT methods.

 

[faire_jour]

Just because what I witnessed three weeks ago .... Makes FJ's entire argument null. But again, I am not the one that goes and do "I participate in aural rehab with her twice a week as well as AV therapy at school. We have worked with around 25 SLP's as well as a half a dozen AV therapist across several states. I have also attended both conferences aimed at parents and families as well as professional trainings."

You guys are right.... What do I know about raising a deaf child..... Being a deaf person going through the experience itself, and actually being a parent of a deaf child.... heh.. you guys are comical. hence the stupidity in this thread.

Yes, you do have valid advice in regards to what it is like being a deaf person and raising a deaf child. I also have experience raising a child with a CI. Your experience is different than mine, but we both have advice to give.