California Bill AB 2027

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souggy said:
Furthermore, if you do retain some hearing, are not exposed to sounds all of the time?

Kinda hard to escape from people talking in grocery stores. In your own home... and so on.
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Only if you have your cochlear implant or hearing aid on. Sure. Your point?
 
That's why people have "deaf accents." The feedback loop is FAULTY if they can't access the full spectrum of hearing. You can't rely on aural ability for that.
 
souggy said:
That's why people have "deaf accents."

The feedback loop is FAULTY if they can't access the full spectrum of hearing.
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Some have accents, some don't. It also allows one to regulate their speeech (ie. loudness). Even inflection of the voices is important. The feedback loop is there and it does make a difference.
 
jillio said:
Kind of like when one member of CI circle notifies all the others to gather at AD and drown out the advocates for Bi-Bi education? :laugh2:
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I've only been around here since 2007 or 2008, but I've not encountered a flash mob of cicirclers--and I've had my share of tussles over bi-bi education on the CiCircle list and on deafread, back when there were deaf college and high school kids and parents of deaf kids better represented on deafread. The goings on at AD are really not on the CICircle radar: today's big topics are batteries, FM system, vocabulary, how to get interpreters in the classroom for our ASL-using kids. Given the reception I've seen here, and the large number of participants on the circle, I don't think you'd see a lot of visitors.
 
Feedback loop only makes a difference if they have full access to all sounds.

Otherwise, methods have to be TAUGHT and LEARNED to make up for the gaps in the feedback loop. No aural ability is going to teach them that; if it did, it's because the child figured it out on their own due to discriminatory reactions from other people-- not because of some ability.
 
souggy said:
Feedback loop only makes a difference if they have full access to all sounds.

Otherwise, methods have to be TAUGHT and LEARNED to make up for the gaps in the feedback loop. No aural ability is going to teach them that; if it did, it's because the child figured it out on their own due to discriminatory reactions from other people-- not because of some ability.
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No, not necessarily. The greater the access to sound over a wider and wider frequency range the better you are off with it in terms of a better feedback.
 
So why the ones with absolutely no feedback loops are better at speech than the ones with mild hearing losses?
 
I guess the topic AB2027(sic)2072 has outlived it's usefulness now....
 
faire_jour said:
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First of all, why does grendel need to be "professional"? she is a mother of a deaf child, she has never claimed to be more than that...

second, how is valuing both languages being "obsessed with speech"?

and lastly, flip, what have i posted that was wrong? you may disagree with my opinions, but i'm not wrong
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I can just point to disputes in other posts and threads, and really have nothing new to come up with here. Outta here before Calvin gleefully closes this thread.
 
It seems to me that the one sure way to NOT get hearing parents on board with a particular way of educating their deaf children is to bully and insult them with a superior air, while criticizing their choices and opinions.

Deaf educators and parents should be working as a team to get the best results for the children. How does all this I'm-a-professional vs. I'm-a-parent help the kids?

Also, who says that one particular "program" or method is best for each and every deaf child? Each child is an individual with different learning abilities and modes of learning (tactile vs. auditory vs. visual, etc.). The age which they became deaf, and to what degree is variable. There is no one-size-fits-all solution.

Creating a wall between "us" and "them" doesn't benefit anyone, much less the child who is treated as a bystander to all this bickering.
 
flip said:
I saw your blog on Li-Li. It's always nice to read about caring mothers and their children, but hey, it was a lot of sounds, words, mappings, CI, speech etc. It almost looks like it's a hobby of yours, and that's fine.:) But it's not professonial, like a learner can get obsessed with ASL.
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My family blog is filled with pictures of a child in diapers and videos of her signing -- certainly not professional -- and whatever you do, don't open my closets at home, either. Taking pictures of the child with a dog on her head is, indeed, a hobby. Don't try that at home.

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flip said:
I can just point to disputes in other posts and threads, and really have nothing new to come up with here. Outta here before Calvin gleefully closes this thread.
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Calvin may close this thread but I don't think he "gleefully" closes any.
 
GrendelQ said:
My family blog is filled with pictures of a child in diapers and videos of her signing -- certainly not professional -- and whatever you do, don't open my closets at home, either. Taking pictures of the child with a dog on her head is, indeed, a hobby. Don't try that at home.

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I thought Li-Li's other picture was too adorable for words but combining her sweetness with a cute puppy--over the top! :giggle:
 
Reba said:
Calvin may close this thread but I don't think he "gleefully" closes any.
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I second that. A pretty disgusting affair of brow-beating here. Time to close this one and let history be the judge?
 
Looks like a stuff puppy hat. LOL Adorable. Moments like these don't last forever. Sigh....
 
Wow what on earth has AD become?
The posters and participants know when it's going to get locked, and everyone stops posting to acknowledge it is coming?
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