Boy pulled from class over spiked hair

LuciaDisturbed said:
Most schools here in San Antonio require school uniforms because we have SO many gangs here in the city, like about 10 different gangs or so.

Two years ago I and my fiance witnessed a gang fight while waiting for a bus home. Two gangs were fighting each other, it was crazy. I knew as soon as I heard shouting that there would be a fight and I pulled my fiance away with me and went to hide behind a stone sign so that we wouldn't get hurt. The gang members had just gotten out of school and were waiting for a bus home and that's when the fight started...I think it was over a girl or turf or something.
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I never went to a mall near my home in Charlotte for much the same reason. The kids there made me nervous. I didn't know at the time many from the local crips and bloods gangs would go there till the mall had a near riot at one time.
 
Jiro said:
he did. see this line from OP
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One day and yelling at him isn't a fair warning. I'm talking about letting him know in a calm way that he's in violation of what the school rules say and that while they haven't been enforcing it lately they're going to start enforcing it now.
 
Jiro said:
unfortunately - the kids are cruel at that age. some kids get bullied for wearing something weird or cheap and some female kids get preyed on for wearing something "sexy". Remember Columbine massacre and dozens more. The students should not focus on fashion statement at that age. They are free to wear anything they like after school. Strict Dress Code works well for private schools and public schools especially in "ghetto" area. No more youth violence!

Parents signed the agreement to adhere to strict dress code. if you do not agree with it - then you can simply take your kid to somewhere else.
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With uniforms, students just find other things to pick on and other ways of trying to be fashionable, so why force a situation where they have to push boundaries to feel individual?

The Broken Window Theory works to an extent but I think claiming that wearing uniforms will stop violence is a bit overkill.
 
Foxrac said:
because I felt it isn't fair for mostly black school to require to wear uniform since mostly white school don't, at for example in here.
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All our schools are mixed. All students are required to wear uniforms no matter what race or ethnicity they are. There is no segregation anymore, this isn't the 50's anymore. Wake up.
 
CJB said:
With uniforms, students just find other things to pick on and other ways of trying to be fashionable, so why force a situation where they have to push boundaries to feel individual?
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yes kids will always pick on something else but when all kids are wearing same uniform - it reduces a lot of problems. Less problems for schools and parents to deal with.

CJB said:
The Broken Window Theory works to an extent but I think claiming that wearing uniforms will stop violence is a bit overkill.
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the result actually worked.
 
Foxrac said:
Ugh, I have explain again.

The school with mostly black students have uniform policy, especially in Birmingham but... in suburb like in our city and Hoover, the school is mostly white students and they have no uniform policy.

That why I said unfair because black students whoever live in Birmingham and they are required to wear uniform since school with mostly white students in suburb don't have uniform.
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I suspect this is tied to the (often subconscious) pressure black communities feel and often place on themselves to dress well and present a "clean-cut image." To prove they're not the savages or animals they were called for so long. Having your hair done and "being presentable" is much more emphasized in the black communities I've been a part of than the white ones.
 
Jiro said:
yes kids will always pick on something else but when all kids are wearing same uniform - it reduces a lot of problems. Less problems for schools and parents to deal with.
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At what cost? In a school with uniforms, I probably would have been forced to wear a skirt. As a transgender person, this would have made me feel much more horrible than any of the teasing I got for being a tomboy.

I'm not so sure it cures so many school problems. Schools with uniforms have their problems just like ones that don't.
 
CJB said:
I suspect this is tied to the (often subconscious) pressure black communities feel and often place on themselves to dress well and present a "clean-cut image." To prove they're not the savages or animals they were called for so long. Having your hair done and "being presentable" is much more emphasized in the black communities I've been a part of than the white ones.
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and plus - it reduces the pressure and financial burden so that they do not have to worry about buying designer clothes to "stay cool" with the crowd.
 
Jiro said:
yes kids will always pick on something else but when all kids are wearing same uniform - it reduces a lot of problems. Less problems for schools and parents to deal with.


the result actually worked.
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What were all the factors? How many communities did it work in?
 
Jiro said:
and plus - it reduces the pressure and financial burden so that they do not have to worry about buying designer clothes to "stay cool" with the crowd.
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Being fashionable is a choice though. Why force a uniform on a whole school just because a select few choose to be fashionable?
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
All our schools are mixed. All students are required to wear uniforms no matter what race or ethnicity they are. There is no segregation anymore, this isn't the 50's anymore. Wake up.
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Not in here, I'm not talking about segregation nor is 1950's but I just found an ironic in here because mostly black school in Birmingham is require to wear uniform due high poverty and more violence in school in past since mostly white school in suburb don't have uniform so I believe that both of them need have uniform policy or none at all for both.

Sorry about brought about race because I felt it was unfair for black students to not wear what they want, especially in city school, of course, city of Birmingham is just like Gary and Detroit.

Additional, in other states so it isn't concern but only in Alabama, that I found an ironic but in LA and Chicago then don't care because they are mixed and diverse. I just made a bad example about LA school so I had taken this context out and focus on issue with Alabama.
 
CJB said:
At what cost? In a school with uniforms, I probably would have been forced to wear a skirt. As a transgender person, this would have made me feel much more horrible than being picked on for being a tomboy (which I was, but at least I was myself).
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Around here girls are allowed to wear khaki pants. The girls get to choose whether to wear a khaki-colored skirt or a pair of khaki-colored pants. The shirts (polo shirts) for both boys and girls are exactly the same, the uniforms are unisex here. It's not like Catholic Schoolgirl type of uniforms here, unless you go to a Catholic school. Nearly all the public schools here allow unisex uniforms. And the uniforms are sold at Walmart around here...they carry all the uniforms of all the schools in the city...lists are provided to Walmart so they know what to carry, so that the uniforms are cheap and affordable, and there are several stores that sell gently used uniforms to wear for the low income families, and several charities also give away used uniforms as well. The uniforms are casual but identical.
 
CJB said:
At what cost? In a school with uniforms, I probably would have been forced to wear a skirt. As a transgender person, this would have made me feel much more horrible than any of the teasing I got for being a tomboy.

I'm not so sure it cures so many school problems. Schools with uniforms have their problems just like ones that don't.
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You raise a point there. :hmm:

I remember when MSSD made us dress up nice for one day and I got a lot of teasing for wearing a skirt cuz some of my classmate had never seen me in one for the five years that she has known me.

It is possible that those uniforms will reduce volience but it open up other cans of worm.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Around here girls are allowed to wear khaki pants. The girls get to choose whether to wear a khaki-colored skirt or a pair of khaki-colored pants. The shirts (polo shirts) for both boys and girls are exactly the same, the uniforms are unisex here. It's not like Catholic Schoolgirl type of uniforms here, unless you go to a Catholic school. Nearly all the public schools here allow unisex uniforms. And the uniforms are sold at Walmart around here...they carry all the uniforms of all the schools in the city...lists are provided to Walmart so they know what to carry, so that the uniforms are cheap and affordable, and there are several stores that sell gently used uniforms to wear for the low income families, and several charities also give away used uniforms as well. The uniforms are casual but identical.
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That's really cool. When I went to school the neighboring schools always had gendered uniforms. Glad to hear that's phasing out! For the schools that do have gendered uniforms, they should seriously consider making unisex ones.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Around here girls are allowed to wear khaki pants. The girls get to choose whether to wear a khaki-colored skirt or a pair of khaki-colored pants. The shirts (polo shirts) for both boys and girls are exactly the same, the uniforms are unisex here. It's not like Catholic Schoolgirl type of uniforms here, unless you go to a Catholic school. Nearly all the public schools here allow unisex uniforms. And the uniforms are sold at Walmart around here...they carry all the uniforms of all the schools in the city...lists are provided to Walmart so they know what to carry, so that the uniforms are cheap and affordable, and there are several stores that sell gently used uniforms to wear for the low income families, and several charities also give away used uniforms as well. The uniforms are casual but identical.
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Ah, Ithink that would help a great deal here.
 
CJB said:
That's really cool. When I went to school the neighboring schools always had gendered uniforms. Glad to hear that's phasing out! For the schools that do have gendered uniforms, they should seriously consider making unisex ones.
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I agree!
 
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