House Democratic official: 'We've got the votes' on health care

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Ummm...not necessarily. You are not figuring in the changes in the environment and economy that will occur with the changes that are instituted immediately. That will make the later changes more effective.

There is a reason that the changes are set to occur incrementally.

I don't really see our current state of economy being very optimistic and flowery by 2014. They should do their gambling at Vegas, not Congress. They really shouldn't make a bet and hope this reform will work with assumption that economy will get better by 2014.

Looking at the highlights of this bill that will take effect in 2014 or so... I can see a handful of insurance companies closing up on health sector and venturing somewhere else... and medical innovation slowing down because it's not attractive anymore.... and prospective small businesses owners having second thought to open shop.... and the wealthy people forcing to cut corner and laying off employees....
 
I don't really see our current state of economy being very optimistic and flowery by 2014. They should do their gambling at Vegas, not Congress. They really shouldn't make a bet and hope this reform will work with assumption that economy will get better by 2014.

Looking at the highlights of this bill that will take effect in 2014 or so... I can see a handful of insurance companies closing up on health sector and venturing somewhere else... and medical innovation slowing down because it's not attractive anymore.... and prospective small businesses owners having second thought to open shop.... and the wealthy people forcing to cut corner and laying off employees....


Exactly and with Ins Cos being restricted to selling state by state....and losing caps and pre exisiting conditions....they may have to figure risk by doing business in healthier states only
 
I don't really see our current state of economy being very optimistic and flowery by 2014. They should do their gambling at Vegas, not Congress. They really shouldn't make a bet and hope this reform will work with assumption that economy will get better by 2014.

Looking at the highlights of this bill that will take effect in 2014 or so... I can see a handful of insurance companies closing up on health sector and venturing somewhere else... and medical innovation slowing down because it's not attractive anymore.... and prospective small businesses owners having second thought to open shop.... and the wealthy people forcing to cut corner and laying off employees....

I really don't think it will affect medical innovation much at all. Innovation is a natural progression. It won't really be affected by health care reform. In fact, it may step it up. With more people able to receive health care, innovation in efficiency will be necessary.

Private sector insurance is the entity that has health care where it is now. And I think it is a bit dangerous to assume that small business will not grow post 2014. That is a way down the road, and it is dependent upon the changes instituted now. If anything, you must also include the number of people that will actually be in a position to open a small business.
 
Health bill may exempt top Hill staffers
The health care reform bill signed into law by President Barack Obama Tuesday requires members of Congress and their office staffs to buy insurance through the state-run exchanges it creates – but it may exempt staffers who work for congressional committees or for party leaders in the House and Senate.

Staffers and members on both sides of the aisle call it an “inequity” and an “outrage” – a loophole that exempts the staffers most involved in writing and passing the bill from one of its key requirements.

The bill requires “congressional staff” to buy insurance from the exchanges – with a stipend from the Office of Personnel Management But page 158 of the bill defines “congressional staff” narrowly, as “employees employed by the official office of a member of Congress, whether in the district office or in Washington.”

The Congressional Research Service believes a court could rule that the legislation "would exclude professional committee staff, joint committee staff, some shared staff, as well as potentially those staff employed by leadership offices.”

If that’s so, staffers who work for Nancy Pelosi in her capacity as representative from California would go into the exchange program, while staffers who work for her in her capacity as speaker would stay on the government’s plan. Other Capitol employees, like those who work for the clerk of the House or the House historian, would be similarly exempted.

Republican Sens. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who both say they tried to correct the issue last year, are firing at Senate leaders, saying that Democrats purposely exempted upper-level staffers out of the bill.

Last September, the Senate Finance Committee adopted a Grassley amendment into its version of the bill, mandating that members of Congress and their staff get their health insurance through the exchanges. It was agreed to by unanimous consent.

Coburn had earlier filed a similar amendment in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which passed with some Democratic support.

However, when the combined Senate bill came to the floor, the definition of staff had been narrowed. Both senators filed a second amendment in December restating their original intent, but they say Democrats blocked it.

“The American people will be appalled to learn the health care bill exempts leadership and committee staff. This special deal for unelected staff underscores everything the public detests about the arrogance of power in Washington,” Coburn said. “I tried to fix this inequity along with senators Grassley, Burr and Vitter, but Majority Leader [Harry] Reid obstructed our effort.”

Reid spokesman Jim Manley acknowledged that the bill exempts committee staff but argued that leadership staff is not excluded. As for why committee staff is excluded, Manley said that when leaders merged the health care bills from the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, they took Coburn’s language from the HELP Committee rather than Grassley’s Finance Committee proposal because they feared Grassley’s language was so broad that it would have required “people like legislative counsel, Architect of the Capitol, etc.” to participate in the exchanges, too.

Tonight, as the Senate moved toward the process of debating the reconciliation bill, Grassley offered yet another amendment to force all congressional staffers, as well as the president, vice president, cabinet members and top White House staff to buy coverage through the exchanges.

“The new health care law creates two double standards. The congressional staff who wrote the new law exempted themselves from the new health care system, while other staff will be in it,” Grassley said today in a statement. “And, President Obama himself will not live under Obama health care. The message to grassroots America is that it’s good enough for you, but not for us.”

While the amendment is unlikely to gain traction as Democrats are trying to prevent any major changes to the legislation, Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) is in the process of drafting similar legislation that he expects to introduce as a standalone bill in the coming week or so.

Democrats could have a hard time voting against this issue; the whole point of including members of Congress and their staffs in the first place was to allay concerns about hypocrisy.

A band of additional lawmakers, including Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) say they want the health care reform extended to all staffers.

“It is ironic that the very staffers and members who were saying ‘if you like what you have you can keep it,’ are discovering that they may be the first casualties of that betrayal. I bet that in the coming weeks, the hypocrisy of this loophole will pale in comparison to the other flaws we’ll discover,” Blackburn said.

Some Republican staffers are furious about what they see as special treatment for committee and leadership aides.

“It is absolutely outrageous that the very people who were directly responsible for writing this legislation put in an exemption for themselves. It’s doesn’t get much more self-serving than that, and it’s downright offensive,” said one Republican staffer.

The potential for different treatment also exasperates the envy some office staffers feel toward their committee counterparts.

“There is a view held by many people that committee work is more stable. It pays a little better and you’re not as subject to the cyclical nature of elections,” one House Republican staffer said. “So, there is a perception that overall, committee staff have better jobs. This is an inequity.”

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said he’s heard nervous cloakroom and speaker’s lobby staffers discussing their confusion over which staffers would be covered and which would not.

“Staff is already buzzing about it. It creates disillusionment because of the uncertainty. Obviously staffers are anxious about it,” Chaffetz said. “The whole bill is full of loopholes, it’s such a mess.”

Why am I not surprised?
 
Um, Politico jumped way too soon. The next process is the reconciliation bill. That part will be dealt.
 
Yeah, what staffer wants crappy quality healthcare that they created for us?

They'll get the best and screw the rest of us.

Yiz
 
Um, Politico jumped way too soon. The next process is the reconciliation bill. That part will be dealt.

Yeah I heard that, the provision to fine people going without health insurance needs to be taken out.

Yiz
 
Yeah, what staffer wants crappy quality healthcare that they created for us?

They'll get the best and screw the rest of us.

Before I say anything, please show me text that says you cannot have insurance of your choice.
 
Yeah I heard that, the provision to fine people going without health insurance needs to be taken out.

Yiz

That's not going to happen. They will be adding not subtracting. It's so funny thata big part of this plan is supposed to be children yet they left out children with pre existing conditions. 2700 pages and that didn't make it in. Proof they have no clue what they are doing.

Gap in health care law's protection for children - Yahoo! Finance
 
True public servants should be willing to accept the same benefits that they provide for the lowliest citizen. Nothing more.
 
Rather they should sleep in it as well. If Cadillac health insurance are available to them, why not to the rest of the nation?
 
it's a reward system.. like paygrade. Of course they would do this. Afterall, they do not want to go to the same clinics that homeless people go to. Nor public schools.

Which is why I feel that if they ever decide to take over healthcare completely (national healthcare) they still going to make sure they get the best care for themselves no matter what. I feel if they think socialized healthcare plan is good enough for us, then it should be good enough for them. No excuse to hold us back from cadillac healthcare and while they get to get it <---- and I am NOT talking about the current healthcare reform bill, I'm talking about their socialized, or national, healthcare dreams.
 
Ever since the bill passed this Sunday about 120 people died because of no health insurance. Why wait until 2014 for it to kick in fully? By then perhaps hundreds of thousand have died since then waiting...waiting...denied every day.....
 
Ever since the bill passed this Sunday about 120 people died because of no health insurance. Why wait until 2014 for it to kick in fully? By then perhaps hundreds of thousand have died since then waiting...waiting...denied every day.....

oh so you want it to be effective immediately? that means handful of businesses will be shut down and hundreds of thousands employees out of job.
 
oh so you want it to be effective immediately? that means handful of businesses will be shut down and hundreds of thousands employees out of job.

he is counting the number of deaths Obama could have prevented ... shhhhhh
 
Ever since the bill passed this Sunday about 120 people died because of no health insurance. Why wait until 2014 for it to kick in fully? By then perhaps hundreds of thousand have died since then waiting...waiting...denied every day.....

120 died? Where did you get that figure?
 
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