Do you feel that hearing teachers restrict Deaf children in learning?

deafskeptic said:
I keep running into that with the hearing regarding ASL. Recently, I was on my warlock in WoW (World of Warcraft) and someone brought up his ASL class on guild chat. He said his teacher wouldn't use his voice at all while using ASL so he was considering dropping the class. I told him ASL is not English and that you shouldn't use your voice while signing. I think he'll drop it anyway.
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yes, he should know that he communicate with his hands, not his voice. I guess when people sign up, they must really thought ASL is a visual cue/aid for Spoken English (like cued speech).
 
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Frisky Feline said:
do anyone who have expert at listening and lipreading that kid got a CI at the earliest age, do they be able to follow the stage show? like broadway or concert or children show. If they don't. then it's a perfect example that they could have learned ASL as well then they will enjoy to watch the stage show.
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Yes, i know kids who were implanted young and are now teens who can understand broadway plays and concerts just fine.
 
I second how tiring it is to "listen" and read lips. Children have so much energy that they can compensate. Adults not so much.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
ASL is the most freeing language in the world for both Deaf and hearing.

Babies are born unable to use their vocal chords so this is where ASL empowers them to communicate their needs for milk, comfort and so on.

I find it very baffling how some people will try to compare spoken language to ASL.

Please.
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Well I went back and read my comments about LRE and forgive me but I wasn't making any sense about ASL and LRE. I must be loosing it.
 
sallylou said:
I had a discussion with a hearing man in my ASL class about this. There are only two of us. He didn't grasp that ASL does not literally translate into English. He didn't understand how classifiers can be used as pronouns. This lead to a discussion on deaf/Deaf culture and why hearing people drop out of ASL classes. He's been in classes longer than I have. I invited him to my home to practice but he seemed put off. He laughed and said no. Still working on finding a practice buddy...
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Too bad we aren't any closer together.
 
I wish that we were. I'm still planning on a new webcam. Unfortunately, the dishwasher decided to die on me so I have to deal with that first.
 
sallylou said:
I wish that we were. I'm still planning on a new webcam. Unfortunately, the dishwasher decided to die on me so I have to deal with that first.
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Break back to old school. Sorry offtopic.

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Lighthouse77 said:
English is a spoken language. If you are going to learn English language and write in English, you will need to know how to speak it. You will need to know how to HEAR the language.

Other than that ASL for everything else.
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It's not only a spoken language. It's a written language as well.

Deaf people may not be able to speak it, but that shouldn't stop them from being able to write it (or sign it... SEE).
 
sallylou said:
I wish that we were. I'm still planning on a new webcam. Unfortunately, the dishwasher decided to die on me so I have to deal with that first.
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know that feeling - MIL had to buy a new fridge. I also have to buy a new webcam, but I'm hoping to next week. It will be an online purchase, since none of the local stores carries what I need.
 
From the other side of the fence...

As a hearing student who is doing the opposite, taking sign language classes from hearing and Deaf teachers, I too have experienced how a hearing teacher can restrict her students!

I took an ASL I class with a Hearing instructor, the head honcho of the Speech, Language, and Communications department, and let me tell you, not only did I NOT learn American Sign Language, but I came away afraid to even try signing with Deaf people!

The way she described the culture made Deaf sound arrogant, bossy, and as if they'd bite my head off if I even tried signing with them; luckily, I failed the class (extremely unusual for me since otherwise I maintain a 3.8 GPA) and then retook it with a Deaf professor. Not only was I completely incapable of signing with her at the beginning, half the signs I DID remember were wrong. My hearing "teacher" mistook the sign for Crack Cocaine with Coca-Cola, flat out made up signs for common questions like "How" (you should have seen the look on my wonderful Deaf professor's face when I tried to ask how she was!), and would make up answers to questions that were entirely incorrect!

After taking two ASL classes with Deaf instructors, I've come to a completely different conception of Deaf culture and can actually hold a conversation now, albeit I still have to fingerspell occasionally.. But then, I'm only halfway through ASL II, so I'll get better!

Now, I want to add, this thread is of particular interest to me since I decided to change my major to English Education, and eventually will be a teacher for Deaf high schoolers, and I'm hearing. It angers me that teachers only speak in some instances and don't sign! How do Deaf children even learn efficiently, if at all?! My Deaf professors agree with me there, but.. anyway.

Not all hearing teachers are like that but most are. It is also not even the teachers' fault. It is the system....and it starts at the deaf education training programs.
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I haven't started my Deaf Education training yet, since I'm still working on getting my teacher's certification as an undergrad, (and therefore don't know firsthand) but I did do some research into the master's program I'm interested in; I was SHOCKED to discover that Deaf Education was lumped in with Special Education for children with learning disabilities (like autism and such). I'll bet that's where part of the problem rears its ugly head!

I honestly don't know what else to say about this subject, but I remember all the dynamic English teachers I had in high school (who made me love the language--the written language, not the oral!) and want to give that to Deaf students too.

Literacy is the most treasured gift I have, in my humble opinion; being able to read, and read well, liberates me. Reading enables me to do whatever in life that I want, writing helps me influence whoever I want, and it absolutely breaks my heart that intelligent, capable high schoolers are graduating with 3rd grade reading levels!

Anyway.. that's my opinion, if I've made any faux pas in anything I apologize, this is my first time on this forum!
 
Fiery said:
From the other side of the fence...

As a hearing student who is doing the opposite, taking sign language classes from hearing and Deaf teachers, I too have experienced how a hearing teacher can restrict her students!

I took an ASL I class with a Hearing instructor, the head honcho of the Speech, Language, and Communications department, and let me tell you, not only did I NOT learn American Sign Language, but I came away afraid to even try signing with Deaf people!

The way she described the culture made Deaf sound arrogant, bossy, and as if they'd bite my head off if I even tried signing with them; luckily, I failed the class (extremely unusual for me since otherwise I maintain a 3.8 GPA) and then retook it with a Deaf professor. Not only was I completely incapable of signing with her at the beginning, half the signs I DID remember were wrong. My hearing "teacher" mistook the sign for Crack Cocaine with Coca-Cola, flat out made up signs for common questions like "How" (you should have seen the look on my wonderful Deaf professor's face when I tried to ask how she was!), and would make up answers to questions that were entirely incorrect!

After taking two ASL classes with Deaf instructors, I've come to a completely different conception of Deaf culture and can actually hold a conversation now, albeit I still have to fingerspell occasionally.. But then, I'm only halfway through ASL II, so I'll get better!

Now, I want to add, this thread is of particular interest to me since I decided to change my major to English Education, and eventually will be a teacher for Deaf high schoolers, and I'm hearing. It angers me that teachers only speak in some instances and don't sign! How do Deaf children even learn efficiently, if at all?! My Deaf professors agree with me there, but.. anyway.



I haven't started my Deaf Education training yet, since I'm still working on getting my teacher's certification as an undergrad, (and therefore don't know firsthand) but I did do some research into the master's program I'm interested in; I was SHOCKED to discover that Deaf Education was lumped in with Special Education for children with learning disabilities (like autism and such). I'll bet that's where part of the problem rears its ugly head!

I honestly don't know what else to say about this subject, but I remember all the dynamic English teachers I had in high school (who made me love the language--the written language, not the oral!) and want to give that to Deaf students too.

Literacy is the most treasured gift I have, in my humble opinion; being able to read, and read well, liberates me. Reading enables me to do whatever in life that I want, writing helps me influence whoever I want, and it absolutely breaks my heart that intelligent, capable high schoolers are graduating with 3rd grade reading levels!

Anyway.. that's my opinion, if I've made any faux pas in anything I apologize, this is my first time on this forum!
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No problem, but your hearing teacher was right, the sign for cocaine is used for Coke the drink and is kind of a joke.

As an autistic/deaf person, I think I am fairly literate.

Plus, why do you think Deaf people won't bite your head off?

Plus pity for literacy levels isn't really necessary. Other than that, have fun while you are here.

You are certain to learn a lot if you stick around. :welcome:
 
Totally understand your views, Fiery and welcome to AD!
 
yes, pity on literacy level is not neccessary... but leaving people to believe it is hopeless is not neccessary either. They should be working with the deaf with their writing using ASL (or cued speech, PSE, SEE, etc.) , instead focusing on speech all the time.
 
No problem, but your hearing teacher was right, the sign for cocaine is used for Coke the drink and is kind of a joke.

Where I'm from (CO), apparently you're not supposed to use that sign for the beverage, and will be looked at funny if you use it; I didn't know it was an acceptable sign elsewhere.

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Plus, why do you think Deaf people won't bite your head off?

Should I think that they will? =) My deaf professors and several guests at the restaurant where I work have all been very friendly and kind; I suppose people are people and not everyone is innately nice, but I think it's better to assume the best in people than the worst upon first meeting. After all, if you start a relationship with the assumption that someone is going to be mean to you, you'll treat them differently and perhaps even cause them to act that way!

Plus pity for literacy levels isn't really necessary. Other than that, have fun while you are here.

Pity isn't the correct word, it's more like frustration. Then again, I'm in love with Languages and it bothers me that some Deaf students aren't being challenged enough; I suppose I want to share my love of literature, writing, and English with everyone, but it's an especially powerful force if, in fact, it's flat-out being denied to Deaf children in certain circumstances. So.. I don't know if that's pity, I'm certainly not out to "save" anyone, but if I can reach some highschoolers that wouldn't otherwise be bothered with, that'd be rad.
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They should be working with the deaf with their writing using ASL (or cued speech, PSE, SEE, etc.) , instead focusing on speech all the time.

I absolutely agree!
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Plus, why do you think Deaf people won't bite your head off?
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Should I think that they will? =) My deaf professors and several guests at the restaurant where I work have all been very friendly and kind; I suppose people are people and not everyone is innately nice, but I think it's better to assume the best in people than the worst upon first meeting. After all, if you start a relationship with the assumption that someone is going to be mean to you, you'll treat them differently and perhaps even cause them to act that way!
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Some will if you express an audist's view which apparently you haven't shown it. they probably will bit your other sign language teacher head off, though. It's all about attitude.
 
Good news, Hubby fixed our dishwasher. Now, I can buy a web cam. I'm going to my first ASL social tonight. I'm nervous! :eek2: Wish me luck! :cool2:
 
Fiery said:
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Pity isn't the correct word, it's more like frustration. Then again, I'm in love with Languages and it bothers me that some Deaf students aren't being challenged enough; I suppose I want to share my love of literature, writing, and English with everyone, but it's an especially powerful force if, in fact, it's flat-out being denied to Deaf children in certain circumstances. So.. I don't know if that's pity, I'm certainly not out to "save" anyone, but if I can reach some highschoolers that wouldn't otherwise be bothered with, that'd be rad.
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Look around here. You will find more than one person came in like you.

That is audist. I am certain you will understand and tailor your views with enough exposure.
 
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