How many czars in White House?

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kokonut said:
No. It's in the White House.gov site. Which means it is a de facto acceptance of the word, "czar," regardless where it came from. End of story.
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perhaps for you, it is. but for us with intelligence, it isn't :)
 
jillio said:
Anyone watch 60 minutes tonight? They delved into the topic. Strangely enough, the reputable scientists have linked the increase in wildfires to climate change. And there was an interesting statement from a firefighter that said, "Try to tell anyone here on the front lines that science is wrong. You won't find anyone that doesn't believe it."

Wait, isn't kokonut trained to put out forest fires? Guess he isn't on the front lines with the ones that do it on a daily basis and believe it 100%.
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I think he's a hydrologist.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
:hmm: i thought many were from arson.
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Even if started by arson, the manner in which they are burning and getting more and more uncontrollable is attributable to climate change according to the scientists interviewed. Both scientists and firefighters were in agreement that the fires are more uncontrollable and destructive than only a few years ago, and it is a result of the way in which they are burning. They offered as an example the pines that were resistant in years past that are now being completely destroyed by the fires. Of course, that was but one example they used.
 
And I'll save the best for last since the word "czar" is used in the .gov site.


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Office of National Drug Control Policy

Keep spinning.....

White House is ok with the word, "czar."
 
jillio said:
Still no evidence of the term being used by the White House. And we need a link, please.
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I'm not trying to support any proposition that the White House uses the term. I even said it's an unofficial term. I am making that point that it's a commonly used term that's been around for a while and not just an invention by conservatives to trash the czars currently holding power.
 
jillio said:
Still cannot attribute it directly to the White House. Dang! Even Sarah Palin knew when to quit!:giggle:
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oooooooooooooooooooooo :io:

this is too much for me
 
jillio said:
His biography says he is a trained forest fire fighter.
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I seem to recall him saying somewhere that's he's a hydrologist and that he's a professional scientist. Now I'm confused.

Koko - sure unless they become a professional scientist or researcher in their field of specialty because of their knowledge, skill and application. It's no wonder I was accepted for a PhD study in Civil Engineering in the water resources and snow hydrology program along with a 3 year research assistantship deal (I've competed against several others for that) at Univ. of Maryland and work with a professor who graduated from MIT.
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Koko - No. It's hydrology, geology, air, water quality, fire ecosystem, fishery, water law, and hydrogeology. I work with other scientists and researchers as well. I do hours of research every day for each project I work on which includes doing field work and obtaining additional data. And write up anywhere from several pages up to 80 pages of my own research report on my findings. Something that few people realize what a scientist does. The bomb thing was to prove a point that it'd be pretty darn hard to destroy Earth, no matter how hard you try. I thought you saw through that. Again, what's with all the continuing ad hominem attacks? How about committing and concentrating on making defensible arguments instead? I like a challenge
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jillio said:
Anyone watch 60 minutes tonight? They delved into the topic. Strangely enough, the reputable scientists have linked the increase in wildfires to climate change. And there was an interesting statement from a firefighter that said, "Try to tell anyone here on the front lines that science is wrong. You won't find anyone that doesn't believe it."

Wait, isn't kokonut trained to put out forest fires? Guess he isn't on the front lines with the ones that do it on a daily basis and believe it 100%.
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Any fire fighters who go on the front line risk their lives. I know what it was like because I, too, risked my life to be with them on several different wildfires on the front line and in the interior of those fires. Glad you can joke about my participation in my fire fighting knowing that I could at any time leave behind a wife and kids. That's 100% participation. Mine was an interagency where multiple agencies come together as a Type-2 interagency team. Not Type-1 which are the fulltime dedicated forest fire fighters. You joke about my involvement when I have risked my life on several occasions means that when you ply that joke to me you are joking about others who have risked their life and died in those fires or incidents related to their fire fighting duties. You are a cold, cold, little b**** to even joke like that through me talking about my lacking any "100%". I risked my life daily through the 14 days whenever I go with a crew of 20 hard working men and women. Fourteen days of watching your back, watching the backs of others before you and behind you. We all watch out for each other not knowing if a burned or weakened tree falls, rocks to come down off the hillside, or heaven forbid get entrapped. I and my crew have come close to getting caught in a serious blowup one time in northern Washington a few years back. A sobering moment for all of us when we literally had less than a minute to spare when it finally had major blow-up seen for miles around. When you are in there fighting the elements and dangers risking life and limb, sweat, some blood, injuries, little sleep, physically demandiong and the possibility of entrapment, that's all the 100% you ever need. I did all that and I now have a LOT OF RESPECT to those who do those things whether done as a career or Type 2 teams. I know people who have died fighting wildfires, and those who received injuries. Do not EVER joke about wildland fire fighters in that snide manner of yours through me sayiing my effort or belief wasn't "100%". You crossed the line in poor, poor taste.

YOU DISGUST ME, by mocking and questioning my 100% involvment fighting the fires. Nobody deserves that. Not me or through me to others who have done the very same thing working on Type 2 teams who work just as hard as Type-1 teams.
 
kokonut said:
YOU DISGUST ME, by mocking and questioning my 100% involvment fighting the fires. Nobody deserves that. Not me or through me to others who have done the very same thing working on Type 2 teams who work just as hard as Type-1 teams.
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And you disgust me with your intellectual dishonesty. You just lost all credibility with me and you didn't have much credibility in the first place.
 
deafskeptic said:
And you disgust me with your intellectual dishonesty. You just lost all credibility with me and you didn't have much credibility in the first place.
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She's right...

I think it's rude when you post a youtube without CC/subtitles... Otherwise, I won't bother to watch it... That is probably why they replied to your posts...

I think, maybe, everyone should leave it alone. :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
so do you have a problem about that during Bush Administration?
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I'll respond to that since I'm the one who brought it up (although I can't speak for anyone else). It's something I never gave much thought to until the past few weeks. Czars have never been too prominent before. We now have guys like Van Jones whose nuttiness and questionable past would probably make him a difficult sell to the Senate. However, he gets to bypass their scrutiny and get control over $30 billion to direct for green spending. That raises an eyebrow.

To the extent it is unconstitutional, and it appears much of it is, I do not support it from any administration, present, future, or past. Even benign departures from the Constitution can lead to abuses.
 
No intellectual dishonesty on my part. If you can find it, then show it. The czar thing doesn't even come close and I proved it that the White House uses it, CNN, other news media and so forth. I have no problem with the word "czar."

It's one thing to make fun of people who risk their lives fighting fires of whom I have a lot of respect. Make fun of my life-risking involvements fighting fire it is also to mock those who risk fire fighting as a career. There is no distinction between the two. There was no reason to bring that part up saying mine was less than 100%. That in of itself unpalatable and inexcusable.
 
Oh yes, I found this link and he also claims to be a hydrologist.

I've always been interested in Earth science. Now, I work as a professional hydrologist and work in the forest (in the shadow of Mt. St. Helens) and in my office. Whoever thought you get paid to hike in the woods?
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darkdog said:
I'll respond to that since I'm the one who brought it up (although I can't speak for anyone else). It's something I never gave much thought to until the past few weeks. Czars have never been too prominent before. We now have guys like Van Jones whose nuttiness and questionable past would probably make him a difficult sell to the Senate. However, he gets to bypass their scrutiny and get control over $30 billion to direct for green spending. That raises an eyebrow.

To the extent it is unconstitutional, and it appears much of it is, I do not support it from any administration, present, future, or past. Even benign departures from the Constitution can lead to abuses.
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I share the exact same sentiment. Thank Dd.
 
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