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kokonut said:
We don't have the money. Period. What parts do you not understand?
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There's more thing to do than you just said so.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Please re-read my post carefully. I never said anything that you said that medicaid but ASKED you.

You posted page 50 about illegal immirgants and healthcare page - All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. I REMIND you what I know from several debate threads in past years that illegal immigrants also received medical care through medicaid as well and ASK you for correction what ADers claimed several years ago.

If your answer is yes which mean that you know illegal immirgants received medicaid for years which mean is Obama´s healthcare plan for page 50 is same as medicaid, illegal immirgants received for past years.

Anyway, media twist Obama´s plan.

I gave you FolitiFact link about Obama´s healthcare plan page 50.

PolitiFact | No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill

I advise you to check with PolitiFact over Obama´s healthcare plan list, not just page 50.

I would check with PolitiFact or FactCheck either it´s accurate or not first before post the list. I found thru Politifact that the list you posted is twist and misinterpretation.
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Of course, I never trust right wing media that made misled on Obama care and Obama did made address on state, same with right wing radio host that made misled too but it's their opinion so I do consider their opinion as garbage.
 
Reba said:
I don't have dental insurance, so I go to the local technical college dental school twice a year. I pay $18 for x-rays (bite wing and panoramic included), once a year as recommended, and $18 for the exam, cleaning and fluoride treatment. Cheaper than insurance premiums (and they do the most thorough cleaning). :D
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I have heard about dental at college like UAB has dental for reasonable cost.

I don't have dental insurance so I'm figure about find dental service or I could wait until Jan due full time student at college.
 
Foxrac said:
Of course, I never trust right wing media that made misled on Obama care and Obama did made address on state, same with right wing radio host that made misled too but it's their opinion so I do consider their opinion as garbage.
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and what about left ring media that exaggerated on Obama care?
 
Jiro said:
that did not answer my question.
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Don't matters, I'm maybe or maybe not answer your question.

Health care is in heat debate and we had been done in past so you just believe whatever you want.
 
Foxrac said:
Don't matters, I'm maybe or maybe not answer your question.

Health care is in heat debate and we had been done in past so you just believe whatever you want.
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:io:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
You forget to answer Foxrac´s question "Do you have any idea to addresses on over 50 millions of Americans don't have insurance?"
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First of all:

"In recent years, the number of uninsured people in the United States has been pegged at approximately 40 million, or about 16 percent of the nonelderly population. By CBO's analysis, that estimate overstates the number of people who are uninsured all year and more closely approximates the number who are uninsured at a point in time during the year. A more accurate estimate of the number of people who were uninsured for all of 1998--the most recent year for which reliable comparative data are available--is 21 million to 31 million, or 9 percent to 13 percent of nonelderly Americans. "
How Many People Lack Health Insurance and For How Long?

Next, we have to know the reason each one of those people are uninsured before we can come up with the answers. There is not a "one-size-fits-all" solution.

For example:

"Although analyses of the uninsured typically focus on individual-level data, analyses at the family level provide a measure of the total number of families that are potential targets of policymakers' efforts to expand coverage. According to data from SIPP, approximately 26 million families had at least one person who was uninsured at a given point in time in 1998.(12) In 27 percent of those families, however, at least one person was insured. Such families represent a variety of circumstances, including those in which children are covered under Medicaid or SCHIP but parents are not or only some members are covered by an employment-based (or private nongroup) policy."


Also, some people are eligible for coverage now but they don't take it:

"Many people who are eligible for Medicaid do not participate in the program. Research estimates that about half of eligible nonparticipants have private coverage and half are uninsured.(17) For uninsured people who are eligible but not enrolled, Medicaid provides a form of conditional coverage. Such people can apply for Medicaid at the time they obtain care and receive retroactive coverage for their expenses.(18) Because of that provision, some policymakers view those people as insured. Others view them as uninsured because they may not realize that they are eligible for Medicaid and therefore may delay or avoid seeking medical care.

An estimated 2.9 million children were uninsured but eligible for Medicaid at a given point in time in 1994 (the most recent year for which estimates are available). That figure represents about one-third of uninsured children and about 17 percent of all children who were eligible for Medicaid. For many children, being eligible for Medicaid while uninsured is a short-term phenomenon. Many such children are in transition from one source of coverage to another (for example, from private insurance to Medicaid), and others are eligible for Medicaid for a short period because of a temporary decline in family income. Even so, an estimated 1 million children remained uninsured all year in 1994 even though they were eligible for Medicaid."

Some people have access to employer-provided insurance but don't take it:

"Research has found that about 75 percent of the uninsured in working families do not have access to insurance through their employer, the dominant form of coverage among the nonelderly, while the other 25 percent have access to employment-based insurance but do not accept it.(20) Lower-wage workers are less likely than higher earners to have access to employment-based insurance and are less likely to accept it where it is offered.(21)"

Perhaps if their taxes were reduced, or they were given tax credits for their premiums, they could afford the employer-provided insurance. Also, they should be given more options in their current insurances so they can opt for just the catastrophic coverage and pay for their routine medical expenses out of a Health Savings Account.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I have read but you both forget one thing is medicare/medicaid fraud... Is it okay with taxpayers?
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So we should add more programs with more opportunities for fraud??? How does that solve anything? It would be better to crack down on the existing programs to eliminate fraud and waste.


That´s why I think Obama´s healthcare plan make sense.
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How would Obama's plan eliminate or even reduce fraud?
 
Foxrac said:
Oh interesting, I believe my father still has Tricare due retired veteran and he was complain about private insurance has went skyrocket and his wife's insurance won't cover him anymore because insurance changed their policy to not cover on spouse if spouse's job offers insurance.

Health insurance and health care need alot of work so really bad.

I just want share with your opinion about any idea to addresses 50 million uninsured Americans but you seems not chose to answer, however I wouldn't care if I don't like your belief because you are interesting person to explain and I'm glad that I'm just believe on my own.
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I didn't have time earlier to answer but I made time this morning to catch up. Please see my reply to Liebling's "reminder".
 
Reba said:
First of all:

"In recent years, the number of uninsured people in the United States has been pegged at approximately 40 million, or about 16 percent of the nonelderly population. By CBO's analysis, that estimate overstates the number of people who are uninsured all year and more closely approximates the number who are uninsured at a point in time during the year. A more accurate estimate of the number of people who were uninsured for all of 1998--the most recent year for which reliable comparative data are available--is 21 million to 31 million, or 9 percent to 13 percent of nonelderly Americans. "
How Many People Lack Health Insurance and For How Long?

Next, we have to know the reason each one of those people are uninsured before we can come up with the answers. There is not a "one-size-fits-all" solution.

For example:

"Although analyses of the uninsured typically focus on individual-level data, analyses at the family level provide a measure of the total number of families that are potential targets of policymakers' efforts to expand coverage. According to data from SIPP, approximately 26 million families had at least one person who was uninsured at a given point in time in 1998.(12) In 27 percent of those families, however, at least one person was insured. Such families represent a variety of circumstances, including those in which children are covered under Medicaid or SCHIP but parents are not or only some members are covered by an employment-based (or private nongroup) policy."


Also, some people are eligible for coverage now but they don't take it:

"Many people who are eligible for Medicaid do not participate in the program. Research estimates that about half of eligible nonparticipants have private coverage and half are uninsured.(17) For uninsured people who are eligible but not enrolled, Medicaid provides a form of conditional coverage. Such people can apply for Medicaid at the time they obtain care and receive retroactive coverage for their expenses.(18) Because of that provision, some policymakers view those people as insured. Others view them as uninsured because they may not realize that they are eligible for Medicaid and therefore may delay or avoid seeking medical care.

An estimated 2.9 million children were uninsured but eligible for Medicaid at a given point in time in 1994 (the most recent year for which estimates are available). That figure represents about one-third of uninsured children and about 17 percent of all children who were eligible for Medicaid. For many children, being eligible for Medicaid while uninsured is a short-term phenomenon. Many such children are in transition from one source of coverage to another (for example, from private insurance to Medicaid), and others are eligible for Medicaid for a short period because of a temporary decline in family income. Even so, an estimated 1 million children remained uninsured all year in 1994 even though they were eligible for Medicaid."

Some people have access to employer-provided insurance but don't take it:

"Research has found that about 75 percent of the uninsured in working families do not have access to insurance through their employer, the dominant form of coverage among the nonelderly, while the other 25 percent have access to employment-based insurance but do not accept it.(20) Lower-wage workers are less likely than higher earners to have access to employment-based insurance and are less likely to accept it where it is offered.(21)"

Perhaps if their taxes were reduced, or they were given tax credits for their premiums, they could afford the employer-provided insurance. Also, they should be given more options in their current insurances so they can opt for just the catastrophic coverage and pay for their routine medical expenses out of a Health Savings Account.
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In blue bold, when health care start skyrocket in last several years ago and more working classes are unable to afford health insurance but in 1999, it was good year and health insurance were cheaper at this time, I never understand about health insurance has went skyrocket. I decide to keep medicaid because I'm unable to afford to get insurance at my workplace and it does have caps as well.

I just want insurance policies to be change like require to cover on pre-treatment like you already have cancer or other diseases so insurance should still pay it and want remove the caps too because some people need health care so frequently.

I'm forward for health care reform but take some more time to get know, thanks for sharing.
 
Reba said:
I didn't have time earlier to answer but I made time this morning to catch up. Please see my reply to Liebling's "reminder".
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Oh, I got it and sorry about it.
 
Foxrac said:
Oh, I got it and sorry about it.
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No problem.

Sometimes I only have a chance to post a quick Blackberry reply, so I can't give deep replies with links included. I do the best I can with my time. :)
 
darkdog said:
Question: Does your car insurance pay for your oil changes, checkups, and minor repairs? Why not? Could it be because the whole purpose of insurance is to insure against the catastrophic?

I don't see why it's a surprise that a company would charge more for more services. If the x-rays aren't that expensive, then it shouldn't be too hard to pay for them out of pocket. Nevertheless, if insurance companies do start offering such services without increasing their premiums, it will be thanks to competition and the profit motive- the desire to one up the other companies by offering more attractive products.

It makes sense that insurance companies would find that preventative medicine doesn't reduce their costs. The CBO came to the same conclusion also: Many Ounces of Prevention - Columns - American Issues Project

We, as individuals, should be in charge of keeping ourselves healthy and doing preventative care. The things I favor would make preventative care cheaper and thus more accessible for everybody. Handing that responsibility over to the government is a great way to hand over our individual freedoms to the government.
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:confused: Are you comparing automobile insurance to medical insurance? IMO, I can’t compare the life and health of a human being to a car. If health insurance companies were not in the business of paying for preventive care, they would not pay for well baby check-ups, for pre-natal care, for any routine exams, for diagnostic tests, and a multitude of other services. Car insurance is intended to cover loss. Life insurance is intended to cover loss. Health insurance is intended to mitigate the cost of routine health care for living, breathing individuals. I am sorry but I wont accept that comparision. No offense.
 
Oh, and preventive care is intended to reduce the cost of medical care. After all, the entire reform is built on making medical care available to, and affordable by, the entire population. This issue is not about increasing the insurance company’s profits. That is where the biggest error is being made. Everything that has been proposed here in this thread does not increase quality of care or availability of care. It only contributes to the amount of money the insurance companies are putting in their bank accounts.
 
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