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Tricare is just like other social insurance that we have pay it?

I don't compare VA hospital with Obama care but just simply say about from government, that all because I know VA hospital are different from Obama care due need medical service for our troopers.

If you have health insurance that you satisfied so you don't need change, that what Obama made address on state.

Social insurance is just like offers by government and we have pay it but better service than universal health care and cheaper than private insurance, there's no guarantee about social insurance would receive better medical service as private insurance.

Do you have any idea to addresses on over 50 millions of Americans don't have insurance?
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At age 65, Tricare will become my secondary payer, and Medicare Part B will be my first. We aren't given a choice on that; it just happens.
 
The VA hospitals discuss "end of life" matters now. Last time I went for my annual physical they asked if I had a living will, and if they could keep a copy on file at the clinic. It was not a "patient initiated discussion."
As I pointed out here, it wouldn't be purely voluntary. It would be doctor-initiated, just like your experience. Here's the article: washingtonpost.com
 
Read carefully. I never said anything about medicaid, medicare or anything like that just health care which can include coverages. If you read page 50, which you did not, you will see that it does not say anything specific on which medical care to be given out to such as U.S. citizens only. The language is broad whenever one says "individual rights" and "personal characteristics." Show me, Liebling, where it makes specific statements that this bill is for U.S. citizens only.

Please re-read my post carefully. I never said anything that you said that medicaid but ASKED you.

You posted page 50 about illegal immirgants and healthcare page - All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. I REMIND you what I know from several debate threads in past years that illegal immigrants also received medical care through medicaid as well and ASK you for correction what ADers claimed several years ago.

If your answer is yes which mean that you know illegal immirgants received medicaid for years which mean is Obama´s healthcare plan for page 50 is same as medicaid, illegal immirgants received for past years.

Anyway, media twist Obama´s plan.

I gave you FolitiFact link about Obama´s healthcare plan page 50.

PolitiFact | No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill

I advise you to check with PolitiFact over Obama´s healthcare plan list, not just page 50.

I would check with PolitiFact or FactCheck either it´s accurate or not first before post the list. I found thru Politifact that the list you posted is twist and misinterpretation.
 
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At age 65, Tricare will become my secondary payer, and Medicare Part B will be my first. We aren't given a choice on that; it just happens.

You forget to answer Foxrac´s question "Do you have any idea to addresses on over 50 millions of Americans don't have insurance?"
 
I don't have dental insurance, so I go to the local technical college dental school twice a year. I pay $18 for x-rays (bite wing and panoramic included), once a year as recommended, and $18 for the exam, cleaning and fluoride treatment. Cheaper than insurance premiums (and they do the most thorough cleaning). :D

But surgery, drill, crown, etc?
 

You posted page 50 about illegal immirgants and healthcare page - All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. I REMIND you what I know from several debate threads in past years that illegal immigrants also received medical care through medicaid as well and ASK you for correction what ADers claimed several years ago.

Again, it's the simple fact that the U.S. doesn't have the money for "free healthcare" and get the same kind of quality care for those who can afford it. People just do not get it thinking money grow from a tree.
 
You forget to answer Foxrac´s question "Do you have any idea to addresses on over 50 millions of Americans don't have insurance?"

We don't have the money. Period. What parts do you not understand?
 
Again, it's the simple fact that the U.S. doesn't have the money for "free healthcare" and get the same kind of quality care for those who can afford it. People just do not get it thinking money grow from a tree.

You work to pay tax, don´t you?
 
It´s no excuse to say "we don´t have the money" but its about people´s life.
Liebling, please read through this thread carefully. Kokonut and I have been talking about a free market approach to make medical care more affordable so everyone can access it. And he's right that we don't have the money. We're already in financial danger. This year, our government is spending $1.8 trillion it doesn't have. That's larger than most economies in the world. We haven't had this much debt since WWII. At least then, the war came to an end and the spending quickly stopped. Now, we have unsustainable debt as far as the eye can see. We're absolutely insane to be talking about doing this and adding to it.

Yes, it's about people's lives, and many people's lives will be effected by this crushing debt. Taxes will have to be so high to pay off this generation's debt that nobody, including the government, will be able to afford health care.
 
Liebling, please read through this thread carefully. Kokonut and I have been talking about a free market approach to make medical care more affordable so everyone can access it. And he's right that we don't have the money. We're already in financial danger. This year, our government is spending $1.8 trillion it doesn't have. That's larger than most economies in the world. We haven't had this much debt since WWII. At least then, the war came to an end and the spending quickly stopped. Now, we have unsustainable debt as far as the eye can see. We're absolutely insane to be talking about doing this and adding to it.

Yes, it's about people's lives, and many people's lives will be effected by this crushing debt. Taxes will have to be so high to pay off this generation's debt that nobody, including the government, will be able to afford health care.

Yes I have read but you both forget one thing is medicare/medicaid fraud... Is it okay with taxpayers?

I see the problem is the people including doctors abuse medicare/medicaid for years. Government lost billions to Medicaid/Medicard fraud. And more health companies including doctor ripped people off with money...

I remember some ADer´s experience in several threads that the doctor charged between $400 and $800 for only 10 to 15 minutes. They have to pay rate every week.


That´s why I think Obama´s healthcare plan make sense.
 
Liebling, it's all about simple math. As darkdog explained, we are $1.8 trillion dollars over our budgeted amount for this year alone. That's the equivalent of each Americans owing $7000, so for families of four would owe $28,000 all across Amerika.

Liebling, understand just for once that the United States does not have the money. For you to talk about taxes shows how little you understand about the U.S. Gross Domestic Product, how our taxation works and the fact that we already owe almost $1 trillion dollars to China for borrowing money to help pay for our programs here in the U.S. We owe hundreds of billions to many other countries for borrowing money from them as well.

Again, once more, we do not have the money to fund a healthcare for all. Obama already spent $1.8 trillion dollars on top of some several trillion dollars in deficit over the last few decades or so. Money does not grow on trees.
 
Medicare fraud? We lose about $60 billion dolllars a year to fraud. What's Obama's fraud? About $1.8 trillion dollars worth for this year alone. A factor of 30 times more than Medicare fraud.
 
It´s no excuse to say "we don´t have the money" but its about people´s life.

it is no excuse to blindly overlook a crucial fiscal issue and to make an ignorant statement - "no but it's about people's life"
 
Yes I have read but you both forget one thing is medicare/medicaid fraud... Is it okay with taxpayers?

I see the problem is the people including doctors abuse medicare/medicaid for years. Government lost billions to Medicaid/Medicard fraud. And more health companies including doctor ripped people off with money...

I remember some ADer´s experience in several threads that the doctor charged between $400 and $800 for only 10 to 15 minutes. They have to pay rate every week.


That´s why I think Obama´s healthcare plan make sense.
Everything you just said is exactly why we need less government involvement in health care, not more. If you're trying to prove that government programs are ripe for fraud, then you just made the case against Obama's health care plan.

The problem is people have become disconnected from the costs. They only pay a small copay for a doctor visit and then the doctor can turn around and charge the government program or insurance company $800 for the 10 to 15 minute visit. The patient probably doesn't know or even care. If people bought their own insurance and used it only for catastrophes, they would have to pay the full costs of routine doctor visits. That means they have to care what a doctor charges. Doctors couldn't get away with charging $800 for a visit. Nobody would go to that doctor. Now that everybody cares what doctors are charging and are calling around comparing prices, doctors would have to compete with each other by lowering their prices. That's the way private clinics work. I've gone to them before and they're great. You don't need insurance to cover it and some are as low as $50. Even the poor can afford that. That's what I want to happen to the entire medical industry.
 
Everything you just said is exactly why we need less government involvement in health care, not more. If you're trying to prove that government programs are ripe for fraud, then you just made the case against Obama's health care plan.

The problem is people have become disconnected from the costs. They only pay a small copay for a doctor visit and then the doctor can turn around and charge the government program or insurance company $800 for the 10 to 15 minute visit. The patient probably doesn't know or even care. If people bought their own insurance and used it only for catastrophes, they would have to pay the full costs of routine doctor visits. That means they have to care what a doctor charges. Doctors couldn't get away with charging $800 for a visit. Nobody would go to that doctor. Now that everybody cares what doctors are charging and are calling around comparing prices, doctors would have to compete with each other by lowering their prices. That's the way private clinics work. I've gone to them before and they're great. You don't need insurance to cover it and some are as low as $50. Even the poor can afford that. That's what I want to happen to the entire medical industry.

yep! I go to private clinics as well. I told my chiropractor that I'm on new insurance so I had x-ray and some procedure for my back. He charged me about $300+. I found out that my insurance doesn't cover it so I contacted him about it. He sympathized and charged me just $40. :thumb:

we need to bring back that good ole' fashioned doctor who made house call and carried that little black doctor bag. It was a fair price and honest work.
 
A Doctor at the Door: House Calls Make Comeback
It seems like an image from a bygone era: A physician steps up to the front door, black bag in hand, to check up on a patient at home. But the number of doctors who offer this type of personalized medical care is actually on the upswing.

At-home visits from the doctor remain rare for most Americans, but the service is becoming increasingly available to the elderly. An analysis published last month in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that house calls to Medicare beneficiaries rose by 40 percent from 1998 to 2004.

Some physicians are affiliated with house calls programs begun in recent years by hospitals such as the Washington Hospital Center, which Joseph Shapiro profiles in a related report. But the practice has also been taken up by one-man practices and physicians groups, the largest of which is the Visiting Physicians Association, which works with more than 25,000 patients in Georgia, Ohio, Wisconsin, Texas and Michigan.

"A lot of people seem to think of house calls as something from a past era in medicine," says Dr. Steven Landers of Case Western Reserve University, who conducted the analysis. "But there are a lot of forces in the health-care system that seem to be making this service have a bit of a comeback."

Reviving Past Practice with a 21st-Century Twist

House calls were the norm for physicians until the end of the 19th century, when the rise of hospitals and health insurance and improved transportation led to a shift to the office-based practice. By 1971, only 1 percent of U.S. doctors were making home visits to patients. The travel time involved made them economically impractical, and medical practices became focused on seeing a high-volume of patients daily.

According to Landers, the recent return to house calls in part reflects Medicare's 1998 decision to boost what the government reimburses physicians for home visits by as much as 50 percent. For doctors, that made house calls less of a money-losing proposition.

And advances in technology have greatly expanded the arsenal of tools in a physician's black bag. Beyond stethoscopes, visiting physicians now bring along portable X-ray machines, laptop-based lung tests and EKG, and fingertip-based diagnostic devices that can test for a range of measurements, including blood sugar and blood count levels.

"The laptop that I take into patients' homes can be used as my electronic patient-record system," notes Landers, who directs the house call program at Case Western Reserve's department of family medicine.

A Grayer Patient Base

The renewed interest in house calls also reflects America's aging population. In 2004, some 36 million Americans -- 12 percent of the population -- were age 65 and over, according the U.S. Census Bureau.

The toll on health care spending is significant. A May 2005 study by the Congressional Budget Office found that the sickest 5 percent of Medicare beneficiaries -- the majority of whom have one or more chronic illnesses -- account for 43 percent of total spending, or some $142 billion a year, mainly because of hospitalizations.

These frail elderly are less likely to leave home for routine checkups and more likely to seek treatment only once problems have become exacerbated, resulting in more visits to the emergency room and hospitalizations.

"The reason they are in the shape that they're in is that they are relying so much on emergency room services," says Constance Row, executive director of the American Academy of Home Care Physicians.

Improving Health… and the Bottom Line

According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the average hospital stay for a Medicare beneficiary age 65 and over is nearly six days, at a cost of about $3,500 per day.

Previous smaller-scale studies have suggested that giving these patients better care earlier can reduce costs down the road. For example, a 2004 study of a house call program in Las Vegas found a 62-percent drop in hospital stays among 91 elderly patients, resulting in a net savings of $261,225 per year.

Dr. Eric De Jonge, who helps run the house call program at the Washington Hospital Center, says making home visits to his patients, who might otherwise call 9-1-1, has translated into significant cost savings.

"An urgent house call costs about $100. An ER visit with 9-1-1 calls costs about $2,000," De Jonge says. "On a day-to-day basis, making urgent visits and coordinating the care in the home is clearly going to prevent some of those high-cost events." And when elderly patients in the program are hospitalized, De Jonge says, they are discharged, on average, two-and-a-half days sooner than those not enrolled. In part, that's because staff from the program will check up on them at home.

In October, Medicare began a three-year pilot program to test the benefits of house calls on a national scale. The program involves 15,000 Medicare patients in Texas, California and Florida, who will receive free, 24-hour access to in-home care. Medicare officials will compare the medical records of those enrolled in the program to those in a control group to see whether house calls translate into cost savings and improved patient health.

A Road Less Traveled

The doctor's office remains by far the place where most people get their care. (Fewer than 1 percent of Medicare beneficiaries received a house call in 2004.)

Committing to home-based care can be difficult for physicians. Private insurers rarely cover home visits. And while Medicare increased its reimbursements for house calls, these payments don't cover the overhead costs of an office-based practice. So in order to turn a profit making house calls, doctors often must make them the exclusive focus of their practice and forego an office practice altogether.

"Its not that physicians in private practice don't know there's a need," Row says. "Everybody knows there's a need. Its just that they can't do it."

Still, house calls have other rewards for physicians. Landers says he felt "overwhelmed" treating chronically ill patients in an office-based practice.

"I went into medicine because I like taking care of sick people and I like the challenge and reward of working with people," Landers says. "It's hard to do a good job in a high-volume office," Landers says. "You see 15 patients or more in any half-day. I was looking for a way to build deeper patient relationships."

The best part of his job now, he says, is getting to know the friends, family and neighbors that make up his patients' support network and community.

I used to have a doctor like that when i was a kid. It's a sham how it came to this point.
 
But surgery, drill, crown, etc?
I had my oral surgeries done at the Medical University of SC School of Dentistry. I paid cash for those surgeries. The school cost is about 1/3 what a dentist charges, and the service is excellent.

I had an emergency crown done at a regular dentist's office. I paid cash, and because it was cash I got a 10% discount on the price.
 
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At age 65, Tricare will become my secondary payer, and Medicare Part B will be my first. We aren't given a choice on that; it just happens.

Oh interesting, I believe my father still has Tricare due retired veteran and he was complain about private insurance has went skyrocket and his wife's insurance won't cover him anymore because insurance changed their policy to not cover on spouse if spouse's job offers insurance.

Health insurance and health care need alot of work so really bad.

I just want share with your opinion about any idea to addresses 50 million uninsured Americans but you seems not chose to answer, however I wouldn't care if I don't like your belief because you are interesting person to explain and I'm glad that I'm just believe on my own.
 
Medicare fraud? We lose about $60 billion dolllars a year to fraud. What's Obama's fraud? About $1.8 trillion dollars worth for this year alone. A factor of 30 times more than Medicare fraud.

There's no projection for Obama care fraud and you just make up the story.
 
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