The world's second-ever octuplets were born

I remembered this one! I saw the movie few years ago and I didn't really like the way they took the girls away from their parent! TSK at the government!

Anyway, see, she didn't take anything and got pregnant naturally with 5 beautiful baby girls and but not sure about C-section back then (maybe a few?). Amazing! I remembered their mom wanted 10 or 12 kids (not sure the amount of kids she wanted).
Reba said:
Or maybe do like the Dionne Quintuplets?

"...In order to protect the quintuplets from exploitation the Ontario government took the girls away from their parents, Elzire and Oliva Dionne and their five older siblings. Despite their continuing good health, they were moved to a hospital, which was built across the road from their family home. The hospital, built exclusively for their use, was intended to protect their privacy but it quickly became a tourist destination...."
The Dionne Quintuplets: The Worlds First Known Surviving Quintuplets
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jillio said:
Well, you are talking about ovulation inducing drugs and not IV fertilization, which requires the implanting of embryos. When one takes a drug such as Pergonal, there is always the risk that the drug will cause more than one egg to be released upon ovulation. Fertilization occurs naturally, through intercourse. But now, with the advances insonography, they can detect when too many eggs are being released and advise the woman not to have intercourse until the next cycle of ovulation.

However, these octuplets were conceived using in vitro, which means that implantation of more than 4 embryos was completely under the control of the physician. He acted outside accepted standards of practice, and in effect, could easily be found guilty of not just not using due care, but of violating the ethical principles of nonmalificence and beneficence.
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Ugh. I didn't know that, Jillio. This makes it worse. I thought the mother was given fertility drugs just like the other mothers I cited in my last post. You mean to tell me that that Dr actually implanted 8 babies into that woman's uterus?! That makes me even more sick to my stomach. :ugh2: :crazy:
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It's not that simple. Very few special needs children are adopted. Do you think a family is really going to care for 8 children at once? Many will not. In many cases, siblings are split from their brothers and sisters and they are placed in separate foster homes. I don't know if that is still common practice, but it used to be. I really don't know of any family who willingly take in 8 kids. It's too much; especially if any or all of those kids have special needs!
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That is not what I said. I meant, she should give up her babies to those couples who to adopt, not just two couples (parents) for eight kids. Sorry for confusion, my bad. Yes, I agreed with handling with many kids is too much. I just can't believe why she did it... I'm sorry for grandparents... :(
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Ugh. I didn't know that, Jillio. This makes it worse. I thought the mother was given fertility drugs just like the other mothers I cited in my last post. You mean to tell me that that Dr actually implanted 8 babies into that woman's uterus?! That makes me even more sick to my stomach. :ugh2: :crazy:
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Yep, these embryos had been frozen and were left over from a previous in vitro that she had. They actually implanted 8.
 
wow that is amaze wow for you .i am glad of you wow that is okay you are baby right now It is good for you. That is cute baby
 
KarissaMann05 said:
That is not what I said. I meant, she should give up her babies to those couples who to adopt, not just two couples (parents) for eight kids. Sorry for confusion, my bad. Yes, I agreed with handling with many kids is too much. I just can't believe why she did it... I'm sorry for grandparents... :(
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Thats what I addressed. Placing siblings for adoption is difficult. Most likely, they won't be adopted together; especially if you're dealing with eight children. You will be hard pressed to find a family willing to take in eight kids. In many cases, the kids would be split up and placed in different foster homes.
 
Reba said:
I for one have never supported taxpayers paying for this kind of fertility "treatment" for an unmarried women, so there's no change in my position. Without someone paying for this pregnancy in the first place, the eight births wouldn't have happened, and financial support wouldn't be necessary.

Also, this women had a "choice", and she chose to carry all eight to term. If real choice is involved, that means it can go either way, right? Or does "choice" mean only choosing abortion? Or does it mean you think she should have aborted some of the babies? Would that be her choice or your choice?

The person who isn't following medical ethics is the doctor. He should be charged with the violation.
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I'd agree totally as far as choice is concerned. I don't believe she should have had the firtility treatment to make her produce octoplets. So the doctor has some explaining to do I think.

Hoever, once there it is too late to undo past wrongs. I comend the woman on the fact that she chose to carry all 8 to term.
 
shel90 said:
That's kinda sad too..she is gonna need all the family support. I dont condone what she has done but I dont believe in deserting family in need.
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Well unfortunately she was selfish when she decided that she had to have another baby and instead got 8 kids on top of the 6 that she already has at home.

Since the grandmother is not going be around--does that mean the grandmother is going to allow her to stay at her house or does that mean the mother is going to have to look for another place?
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Thats what I addressed. Placing siblings for adoption is difficult. Most likely, they won't be adopted together; especially if you're dealing with eight children. You will be hard pressed to find a family willing to take in eight kids. In many cases, the kids would be split up and placed in different foster homes.
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Sighs, yeah, I know! I knew two parents adopt all eight kids is impossible, okay? That is what I tried to say... she should to place babies up for adoption so some couples can adopt to pick one to few of eight kids from foster cares. YEAH, I KNOW.

Sighs, I'm done with this thread now. =/
 
Ok I have done some thinking about this.

The Dr. caused her multiple pregnancy. By implanting too many embryos.

Since the Dr acted so unethical. That Dr should be responsible to pay for these children.

Sue the Dr for child support!!:mad:

Anyone else that acts irresponsible and causes a pregnancy has to pay support.

I think the dr should be responsible for his/hers action.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Sighs, yeah, I know! I knew two parents adopt all eight kids is impossible, okay? That is what I tried to say... she should to place babies up for adoption so some couples can adopt to pick one to few of eight kids from foster cares. YEAH, I KNOW.

Sighs, I'm done with this thread now. =/
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I know, Karissa. It sucks. I don't blame you for feeling sad about this.
 
Babyblue said:
Ok I have done some thinking about this.

The Dr. caused her multiple pregnancy. By implanting too many embryos.

Since the Dr acted so unethical. That Dr should be responsible to pay for these children.

Sue the Dr for child support!!:mad:

Anyone else that acts irresponsible and causes a pregnancy has to pay support.

I think the dr should be responsible for his/hers action.
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You're right. Someone should pay, and it shouldn't be the taxpayers. Where the hell is the responsiblity in all this? The doctor was unethical. This woman must also have a mental illness of some type to even have consider this.

It's all just sickening.
 
Babyblue said:
Ok I have done some thinking about this.

The Dr. caused her multiple pregnancy. By implanting too many embryos.

Since the Dr acted so unethical. That Dr should be responsible to pay for these children.

Sue the Dr for child support!!:mad:

Anyone else that acts irresponsible and causes a pregnancy has to pay support.

I think the dr should be responsible for his/hers action.
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I wonder if an investigation of the doctor will be started?
 
Oceanbreeze said:
The problem is that procedures to treat infertility are getting better, so multiple births are happening. In this case, it's mind boggling how this was allowed to happen. I question now wether this woman needed those infertility drugs to get pregnant. Did she?

What a nightmare! :eek3:
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Yeah, I wonder if this woman used fertility treatments for the first 6 children. Nevertheless, they should have said NO after baby #6. Especially with the risk of causing multiple births, which already happened. Now she has 14...8 of which are currently in very fragile shape.
 
jillio said:
Yep, these embryos had been frozen and were left over from a previous in vitro that she had. They actually implanted 8.
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So any of the first 6 children that she had, was a result of that previous in vitro treatment that you just mentioned? And then they still had left over embryos from that treatment, and implanted 8? Wow. If I understand this correctly, this is a huge ethical violation.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
8 babies all at once is NOT cute. Especially 8 puking, pooping, crying, and screaming babies. :shock:
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I had babies..when they were puking, pooping, crying and screaming, it was cute for me.

However, with 8 at once, I am sure it can become stressful.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Yeah, I wonder if this woman used fertility treatments for the first 6 children. Nevertheless, they should have said NO after baby #6. Especially with the risk of causing multiple births, which already happened. Now she has 14...8 of which are currently in very fragile shape.
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LuciaDisturbed said:
So any of the first 6 children that she had, was a result of that previous in vitro treatment that you just mentioned? And then they still had left over embryos from that treatment, and implanted 8? Wow. If I understand this correctly, this is a huge ethical violation.
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It's mind boggling. I can't comprehend such a colossal mess such as this.
 
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