Should ASL be Banned from Deaf Ed programs?

Should ASL be banned from Deaf Ed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 8.3%

  • No

    Votes: 53 88.3%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Nuetral

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    60
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Oceanbreeze said:
It's not that hard to find abstracts on the web. All you have to do is plug in the term you're looking for and you'll come up with abstracts. You may need to pay to have access to the entire study or what have you, but it's not that hard to pull up an abstract from the WWW.

I've done it countless of times.
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Exactly. And what does the abstract give you? The information you need to find the entire article. That is the purpose of publishing an abstract. To lead you to the source of the information.
 
Jiro said:
btw Jillio - were you one of those pimply-face nerds with stacks of dusty books and papers all over on the table? :laugh2:
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Never pimply faced, but until the days that technology made the search relatively painless, yep! I have done much of my research using an index and stacks and stacks of journals and books. That is why I find it absurd that someone wants the search done for them when technology has made it 1000 times easier than ever before.
 
rockdrummer said:
And how is using your instructions going to be faster then if you were to provide the title and source??
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Who said it would be faster? And what does "faster" have to do with it?

I can get it to you with no effort on your part at all. But as I said, that requires me sending you a fee schedule and you signing an employment contract.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. And what does the abstract give you? The information you need to find the entire article. That is the purpose of publishing an abstract. To lead you to the source of the information.
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perfect example - a movie trailer/synopsis for movie.
 
jillio said:
Who said it would be faster? And what does "faster" have to do with it?

I can get it to you with no effort on your part at all. But as I said, that requires me sending you a fee schedule and you signing an employment contract.
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You still don't get it and from the looks of it you never will. This dead horse has been kicked enough. Do what you want but I am moving on.
 
rockdrummer said:
You still don't get it and from the looks of it you never will. This dead horse has been kicked enough. Do what you want but I am moving on.
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I get it entirely. I do my research, you do yours. Unless you want to pay for it to be done for you.
 
lumbingmi said:
Oralist and CI supporters are usually the groups who are against ASL being taught to deaf children.

I say hell with them and burn them to the stake!
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I'm pro-ASL cuz I went to deaf programs and deaf school for most of my life and there's one thing I keep hearing again and again: everyone tells me how life improved once they discovered ASL. For the first time for many, they can communicate with others without struggling so much. Who am I to ignore this?

I love my CI but does that mean I should ditch ASL? Hell, no.
 
deafskeptic said:
I'm pro-ASL cuz I went to deaf programs and deaf school for most of my life and there's one thing I keep hearing again and again: everyone tells me how life improved once they discovered ASL. For the first time for many, they can communicate with others without struggling so much. Who am I to ignore this?

I love my CI but does that mean I should ditch ASL? Hell, no.
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:gpost:
 
AlleyCat said:
As Shel and I already discussed in this thread earlier, a large group setting does NOT make it easy to lipread. You have a teacher, boss, team leader, whoever that is speaking to a group as a whole and not facing you directly at all times. If we can't be seeing the lips fully we will not catch every word. That's when sign language and other aids come into play. But in one-on-one situations (and even some small group settings,) for those of us who possess lipreading skills, we certainly can see distinctions you -- as a hearing person -- are telling us we can't. How else have we done lipreading tests without any context, prior knowledge, or sound? This is ridiculous and insulting to all of us who have just told you we can see certain distinctions.
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:gpost:
 
sirena rossa said:
It is delicious! If u like the flavor of pumpkin, then u will like this one. :D
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:topic:

Looks like we've got an 87.5% majority that states that ASL should not be banned from deaf ed programs. Good poll, shel.
 
jillio said:
Looks like we've got an 87.5% majority that states that ASL should not be banned from deaf ed programs. Good poll, shel.
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Yeah seems that way. there's also a big branch off topic comin from this thread, which would be ASL vs. SEE
 
AlleyCat said:
As Shel and I already discussed in this thread earlier, a large group setting does NOT make it easy to lipread. You have a teacher, boss, team leader, whoever that is speaking to a group as a whole and not facing you directly at all times. If we can't be seeing the lips fully we will not catch every word. That's when sign language and other aids come into play. But in one-on-one situations (and even some small group settings,) for those of us who possess lipreading skills, we certainly can see distinctions you -- as a hearing person -- are telling us we can't. How else have we done lipreading tests without any context, prior knowledge, or sound? This is ridiculous and insulting to all of us who have just told you we can see certain distinctions.
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To be honest, with some hearing people, even on one-on-one situations, I probably couldnt tell the difference between those words...*only if I am not expecting the person to say them*
 
In my opinion ASL clearly has it's place educational and social environments. I voted no.
 
As a parent of a hard of hearing child, an ex-boyfriend of a deaf woman, and prior to both, a college student who took ASL in college as my foreign language, I don't feel ASL should be banned.

In school I felt the visual layout of conversation made for a clear picture of whatever people needed to convey. If we are speaking of education, some people get grammar, some don't (hearing or not). My ex has limited vocabulary and understanding of English (or life, but that is a seperate matter). Is that limiting? Yes, she often needs things explained, but how many hearing people speaking proper English are signing anyway. Is it detrimental, no. She does better amongst her friends and they understand each others conversations. I do press my daughter to speak properly, but she is HOH, not deaf and therefore, will engage with spoken conversation daily.

I hope I don't sound biased. I don't believe I am. I believe you work with what you have and do the best you can. (then, you become an adult and get set in your ways and lazy, ha-ha)
 
shel90 said:
To be honest, with some hearing people, even on one-on-one situations, I probably couldnt tell the difference between those words...*only if I am not expecting the person to say them*
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If you want to talk about honesty (and it's okay if I get banned here, I'm that pissed off here about this subject ..,) I believe you're saying you could not tell the difference between those words ("milk" and "beer") because everyone here knows you have sided with Jillio on everything in this forum. It's common knowledge, really ...

In all reality, if you are confronted with lipreading on a one-on-one situation, you will likely (as long as you have good lipreading skills, and you probably do, being raised orally,) understand many speech distinctions. That was the point I and many others here were trying to make, that NO hearing person should be telling us deaf people what we can lipread and what we cannot.
 
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