Jury Duties Call - Page 2

webexplorer · 07-23-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I've never hear of that rule. Are you referring to Deaf people only?

No, anyone can request it. You can find it out at your town hall. When your name is removed from the list, then you cannot vote anyone.

RedheadGrrl · 07-23-2007, 10:40 PM

When I got a Jury Duty call. I called the court house and asked for an interpreter. The clerk said "Oh you can get a doctor note to proof that you are deaf. Then mail it to me. We'll remove your name. You dont have to come in at all and wont get any mail from us." So I did and it works.

webexplorer · 07-24-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedheadGrrl

When I got a Jury Duty call. I called the court house and asked for an interpreter. The clerk said "Oh you can get a doctor note to proof that you are deaf. Then mail it to me. We'll remove your name. You dont have to come in at all and wont get any mail from us." So I did and it works.

That's a big relief for you! I did the same thing a few years ago. It kept mailing me for the update jury for next year since three years. Weird. Now, not anymore, my name is removed from the registration at the town hall last fall.

RedheadGrrl · 07-24-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

That's a big relief for you! I did the same thing a few years ago. It kept mailing me for the update jury for next year since three years. Weird. Now, not anymore, my name is removed from the registration at the town hall last fall.

Yea, it does. Now soon Ill move to different state and just hope that they will not send me for jury duty. *finger cross*

Liebling:-))) · 07-24-2007, 09:00 AM

Interesting

We don't have Judy duties in many European countries including Germany...

The German judges are assisted by few of their colleagues. The Judge’s assistance is search/informed about all legal aspects of a case. Example they collect the case from prosecutor and lawyer to help the judge’s decision, not jury's decision.

Reba · 07-24-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

No, anyone can request it. You can find it out at your town hall. When your name is removed from the list, then you cannot vote anyone.

Oops, my mistake. I thought you meant you could be removed from the list of prospective jurors. You meant that you could be removed from the voting rolls. But if you do that, you can't vote in elections. Why would anyone want to do that?

Some states use drivers license lists, so removing one's name from voter registration won't get them off the juror list.

Reba · 07-24-2007, 09:16 AM

It's really sad how many people don't want to fulfill their duty as American citizens by serving on juries.

Liebling:-))) · 07-24-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's really sad how many people don't want to fulfill their duty as American citizens by serving on juries.

Only Experts should do it because it's their job task, not rely on American citizens.

Reba · 07-24-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Only Experts should do it because it's their job task, not rely on American citizens.

You obviously don't know anything about the Constitution of the USA or the American jury system.

Just because the German government doesn't trust its citizens to make reasonable judgments doesn't mean all countries are that way.

webexplorer · 07-24-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You obviously don't know anything about the Constitution of the USA or the American jury system.

Just because the German government doesn't trust its citizens to make reasonable judgments doesn't mean all countries are that way.

Sounds probably right to me about the German government issue.

But, being a jury is the most difficult job to deal with because some jurors are not too bright. It's because they did not use their common sense if it is a very small crime that send him/her to a prison for 30 years. For sake. I believe that a small crime that would be a job to clean up the town or clean up the highway for 30 to 60 days. A prison is a bad idea because it creates their mind when they get out and teach other people to do their crime.

That's how it happened to my incredible stupid young cousin who bought some pots on the street. I stopped seeing him anymore. His mother had her home phone number for 40 years, and she forced to change the number because of her son's bad friends trying to call him.

Reba · 07-24-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Sounds probably right to me about the German government issue.

But, being a jury is the most difficult job to deal with because some jurors are not too bright. It's because they did not use their common sense if it is a very small crime that send him/her to a prison for 30 years. For sake. I believe that a small crime that would be a job to clean up the town or clean up the highway for 30 to 60 days. A prison is a bad idea because it creates their mind when they get out and teach other people to do their crime.

That's how it happened to my incredible stupid young cousin who bought some pots on the street. I stopped seeing him anymore. His mother had her home phone number for 40 years, and she forced to change the number because of her son's bad friends trying to call him.

You do realize that a defendant has the right to waive a jury trial, right? Also, many "minor" cases are resolved by the magistrate in petit court without juries.

webexplorer · 07-26-2007, 11:57 PM

If the defendant knows a jury, it will be postponed for another court date with new juries. Even, a jury knows this defendant, the jury is waived. That will be also postponed.

I am not quite sure what you mean about the magistrate in petition without juries. The serious issue that cannot be solved until the judge makes a decision. Is that what this mean?

Tousi · 07-27-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's really sad how many people don't want to fulfill their duty as American citizens by serving on juries.

I totally agree with you! This is our bedrock! I am on vacation now but will be reporting for jury duty about a week after we get back. Shame on those who don't understand that we have a right to a trial and be judged BY OUR PEERS or let the judge decide your fate.

I am writing this in Eureka, CA in one of their Kamping Kabins, lol.

Liebling:-))) · 07-27-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You obviously don't know anything about the Constitution of the USA or the American jury system.

Just because the German government doesn't trust its citizens to make reasonable judgments doesn't mean all countries are that way.

Excuse me please, I know what jury system is about because I born and raised in England. They do have similar jury system as your country which I disagree to.

Next time, don't tell me that I don't know anything. I would not post if I don't know anything.

Anyway, I do not trust to invite the citizens to make judgement in the court.

I prefer to leave judge with his/her colleagues alone with their decision after collect prosecutor and lawyer. It's their prfessional job task, not our.

Liebling:-))) · 07-27-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Sounds probably right to me about the German government issue.

But, being a jury is the most difficult job to deal with because some jurors are not too bright. It's because they did not use their common sense if it is a very small crime that send him/her to a prison for 30 years. For sake. I believe that a small crime that would be a job to clean up the town or clean up the highway for 30 to 60 days. A prison is a bad idea because it creates their mind when they get out and teach other people to do their crime.

That's how it happened to my incredible stupid young cousin who bought some pots on the street. I stopped seeing him anymore. His mother had her home phone number for 40 years, and she forced to change the number because of her son's bad friends trying to call him.

That's why I rather to leave court's decision together with her/his colleagues due their professional skill.

See the view over pros and cons about German and America law system.
FindLaw's Writ - Sebok: How Germany Views U.s. Tort Law

Liebling:-))) · 07-27-2007, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

If the defendant knows a jury, it will be postponed for another court date with new juries. Even, a jury knows this defendant, the jury is waived. That will be also postponed.

I am not quite sure what you mean about the magistrate in petition without juries. The serious issue that cannot be solved until the judge makes a decision. Is that what this mean?

You never know that nobody knows that some jury know the victims or defendant when they are in the court?

Reba · 07-27-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

...I am writing this in Eureka, CA in one of their Kamping Kabins, lol.

I'm jealous!

Reba · 07-27-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Excuse me please, I know what jury system is about because I born and raised in England. They do have similar jury system as your country which I disagree to.

Next time, don't tell me that I don't know anything. I would not post if I don't know anything.

I said you don't know about the American jury system.

"Only Experts should do it because it's their job task, not rely on American citizens."

In America, it's not only the job task of "experts" to judge people. If you knew about our system, you would know that.

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Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment 7 - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

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Anyway, I do not trust to invite the citizens to make judgement in the court....

After seeing how some people in these threads don't know how to sort opinion from fact, or how not to make snap conclusions, I might have to agree. Some people are just not suited for jury duty. They don't know how to rationally analyze the evidence, and are easily swayed by their feelings and prejudices.

dkf747 · 07-27-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

After seeing how some people in these threads don't know how to sort opinion from fact, or how not to make snap conclusions, I might have to agree. Some people are just not suited for jury duty. They don't know how to rationally analyze the evidence, and are easily swayed by their feelings and prejudices.

That's the job of the Judge and attorneys. They are supposed to choose people who are not like those you mentioned.

Reba · 07-27-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dkf747

That's the job of the Judge and attorneys. They are supposed to choose people who are not like those you mentioned.

True. (The only problem is, in some places, that might not leave even 12 eligible people--just kidding.)

I know for the last time I was sent a jury notice, they also sent me a multi-page form to fill out for jury pre-selection. Of course, the attorneys and judge and still question you in the courtroom, too. But I guess the forms help them sort people out ahead of time.

I'm telling ya, they ask about your whole life story, contacts, opinions, experiences, etc., on those forms. They even wanted to know stuff about my parents (both deceased). I didn't fill out that much information for my security background check!

TFWFalcon · 07-27-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Excuse me please, I know what jury system is about because I born and raised in England. They do have similar jury system as your country which I disagree to.

Next time, don't tell me that I don't know anything. I would not post if I don't know anything.

Anyway, I do not trust to invite the citizens to make judgement in the court.

I prefer to leave judge with his/her colleagues alone with their decision after collect prosecutor and lawyer. It's their prfessional job task, not our.

USA and England is different jury system. Since first 13 colonies settle and copy jury system from England then start modification better jury system. In USA "we are people" jury is citizens. Judge is determined for how long spend jail times and fines. Jury is vote most lead by either guilty or not guilty.

diehardbiker · 07-27-2007, 05:56 PM

Right, but the vote must be unamimously or they will be called hung jury. What does that means is that must have 12 voted as guilty or 12 voted as not guilty. If 12 votes of either guilty or not guilty is not met then it will be declared as hung jury; The trial will be declared as mistrial.

To better understand the way it runs, I recommended you to watch the movie called "The 12 angry men", it is DARN good movie!

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Originally Posted by TFWFalcon

USA and England is different jury system. Since first 13 colonies settle and copy jury system from England then start modification better jury system. In USA "we are people" jury is citizens. Judge is determined for how long spend jail times and fines. Jury is vote most lead by either guilty or not guilty.

Reba · 07-27-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

... I recommended you to watch the movie called "The 12 angry men", it is DARN good movie!

I love that movie! I've seen it many times. Each actor's performance is a gem.

We had to watch that movie in our military leadership class. It showed the interaction of the various characters, and how some "lead" and some "follow".

Liebling:-))) · 07-28-2007, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TFWFalcon

USA and England is different jury system. Since first 13 colonies settle and copy jury system from England then start modification better jury system. In USA "we are people" jury is citizens. Judge is determined for how long spend jail times and fines. Jury is vote most lead by either guilty or not guilty.

Accord your description, yes USA and England are almost same jury system. The citizens receive the letter from judge invite them to be juror in their court. Some citizens accept their invitation or not.

Yes, Jurors vote guilty or not guilty to help Judge´s decision.

Yes, Judge decides how long they sentence in the jail after get the help from Juror´s vote.

Opal · 07-28-2007, 02:43 AM

I received Juror letter last year and I reply back explaining about my deafness, and heard nothing ever since.

I was told they posted to 50 people to invited and interview them all and pick 12 people.

I knew they won't be interested to know me and costly to hire an Interpreter for the court hearings etc.

My sister was reluctant to accept but completed her duty to served it and find it is boring.

***~SG~*** · 07-28-2007, 03:22 AM

I did received three jury duty letters in the past. I did replied back by writing a letters and explaining that I am Deaf. I did get responses back from them. *can't remember the words in letters*.

But I do remember on the 3rd time letter that they replied back to me that they will take me off the jury duty list.

Perhaps in future if I got another jury duty letter, I wouldn't mind to go to the court once.

TFWFalcon · 07-28-2007, 09:15 AM

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RedheadGrrl Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,817	When I got a Jury Duty call. I called the court house and asked for an interpreter. The clerk said "Oh you can get a doctor note to proof that you are deaf. Then mail it to me. We'll remove your name. You dont have to come in at all and wont get any mail from us." So I did and it works.

07-24-2007, 09:16 AM	#37 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,288	It's really sad how many people don't want to fulfill their duty as American citizens by serving on juries.

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webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 3,474	If the defendant knows a jury, it will be postponed for another court date with new juries. Even, a jury knows this defendant, the jury is waived. That will be also postponed. I am not quite sure what you mean about the magistrate in petition without juries. The serious issue that cannot be solved until the judge makes a decision. Is that what this mean?

07-28-2007, 03:22 AM	#56 (permalink)
*~SG~* Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 4,011	I did received three jury duty letters in the past. I did replied back by writing a letters and explaining that I am Deaf. I did get responses back from them. can't remember the words in letters. But I do remember on the 3rd time letter that they replied back to me that they will take me off the jury duty list. Perhaps in future if I got another jury duty letter, I wouldn't mind to go to the court once.