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Dumb access denial excuses for your service dog
I have had some real winners.
1. I have been told that I do not need my dog to hear in a store. 2. Asked if my dog was a blind dog. 3. Told no pets allowed. 4. Door greeters watching me park my car in the handicapped spot and then ask me upon entering the store if I was blind. 5. See me reading labels and ask me if I was blind, if not I needed to leave. 6. A doctor throwing me out of his office because he was afraid of dogs. 7. A restuarant threaten to close completely in order to avoid access. I am just curious as to how many access issues everyone else with service dogs have had and what circumstances and how you handled it. Me personally, we now have the police department educated and I simply go outside, call the police on my sidekick via relay, and let them explain the consequences. I no longer allow myself to be upset by others ignorance of the law. I figure I will fight the good fight for myself and those that can't. I don't take no for an answer no matter how much time it takes and how much it might inconvenience me.
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LuvsInk,
First of all, welcome to alldeaf.com! Secondly, good post! I was stopped once at a rest area here in Minnesota and was told by the attendant that the dog wasn't necessary inside. I was challenged at a laundramat, the clerk there (young kid) asked, "What about people with allergies?" I replied, "Tough." The clerk during the week, when I came back to do some other work, expressed concern about the little kids. She even mentioned about phoning ahead...to that I replied, "Gee, if I was African-American or another nationality, would I need to do that, too?" I have no reason to worry about little kids, I told her, I worry about the parents...thinking this is a good spot to get my kid bit and sue that bastard with the dog. Then they act all dumb around me (the parents do)...grandparents are just as bad. I've never seen so many old people pointing their fingers at me...using of course, their index fingers...
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This happened in our local area last week:
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Don't get me wrong; I believe the service animal provision of the ADA in Title III is correctly written, should be strongly enforced, and should not be revised, abolished, or curtailed in the future.
However, for Deaf people, what is the utility in bringing a service animal with you, say, at the restaurant? Convenience store? Attending a function? I can easily see why many Deaf people would opt for a service animal in their homes to alert them to sounds, intruders. (I have a dog myself, just for this purpose.) But taking the service animal with you everywhere you go, this is where I'm not 'getting' it. |
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I am not sure if all hearing dogs are trained to bark whenever the owner's name is called-- my friend's does-- so for her to take the service dog to her school, a restaurant (when you have to wait for your turn to have a table), and whatnot will be useful when people is calling her name out, unaware that she is Deaf.
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I guess it would be great if I dog could tell me when some one called my name at a drs office or airport .. or something.. but uh what good does it do if the dog barks? Sure I would recognise the bark a lot more easily than a voice of a PA system, but ... there's something ironic about a dog for deaf people that barks.
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Otherwise, if a Deaf person happens to not pay any attention to the service dog, the service dog will tug for attention. I will know when my dog barks, especially with a leash on because I can feel the vibration via the leash. (and it is not a service dog...) They are trained to acknowledge when their Deaf owner isn't looking and how they can get their attention. Tug on pants, touch on the owner's legs with their paws, jump up on the legs, et cetera... |
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Deaf individual may have another disablities, such as heart condition. Why is the big deal if deaf customer walks around in the big "Walmart" shopping zone. I am sure that it is a bit farther than the distance between handicapped parking zone and front door. Oh boy... Quote:
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And a known deaf actress bringing her 3 chihuahuas with her wherever she went. With the majority of the ASL extremists worshiping them and kissing the ground these 2 people walk on, we should be following their examples and bring our hearing dogs everwhere we go as they are our ears just like the guide dogs are the eyes for the blind. Richard Last edited by Nesmuth; 02-14-2006 at 09:33 AM. |
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Quit staring at my arse!
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I think that it's a wee bit excessive to bring your hearing dog to a restaurant, movies, workshop, church, etc. Now I will sit back and wait to get
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They did catch they guys, yes they get time fines... Now she had her service dog, They shot dog they be facing more then just time fines. When you shot hurt service dog same as when you shot police dog, They are all working dogs. The prosecution is stiff ! They have no marcy on people who hurt our working dog! The only time LMM dog barks in home at intruders! Or if she out in public and her dog feels a treat. LMM can tell her bark on command. Which is a sign she uses! Since LMM & her dog have be team, She feel more save in public!If she is walking someone calls her name, Her dog will stop sit and look at the way person calling her name! If she is sitting at resturant waiting for them to call her name her dog will paw her take her to person! her dog have had prowerful training, & they both stay in training everyday. to see her dog learn new signs from her is amazing. Yes LMM had to make out more police reports then most people, I have been w/her when she had to have police straight out people about her rights! She have no fear. LMM use to sit back let people take advation of her! She is a stronger person because of her dog! She is very greatful to have her dog teach her more then anyone could of! Believe me when comes to service dogs & rights even if other person think they are right, You better take another shot at it! |
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Lets face it, there are always going to be jerks and idiots out there, that refuse to let you do such and such.
Most don't even care if you're deaf or whatnots, they just boss you around and tell you what you can and cant do in their place. They don't listen to reason, and ignore you at some point. There's nothing we can do about this, in reality. I mean, it just like racism, we can't do anything about that. Everyone has their opnions, just some choose to voice it, and act it. Unfortunately, they happen to have a bad opinion and it can be hurtful and so on. Life's not perfect, and it never will be. |
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You knew I was going to jump on this...do you have more information on this, not only to post but to pm me with? Thanks in advance!!
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You made my day!!
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Pete "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:40 |
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A few thoughts entered my mind and I will be nice (promise). First, this judge needs to be retired or retrained, especially in ADA laws. Isn't this what he trained to do when in law school, to uphold laws? Perhaps he was out ill when they covered that. Second, I'd suggest a lawsuit against both the judge AND the county and fine him a hefty amount. This is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard!!
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I bet Reba and Pek1 never thought of the lawsuit case: ADA person vs. ADA person. how will the judge make a decision?
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Maybe by playing Texas Hold 'Em?
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I think some people may have to learn the meaning of some "C" words: communication compromise consideration of others common sense |
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