Dumb access denial excuses for your service dog - Page 4

VanG · 10-27-2007, 10:22 PM

Greeting!

Well- Few months ago, I was summoned to go to Court about service-hearing dog. Here is the story: The resturant owner just asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. The man said that he had the right so does his dog. An owner called police to have him remove including his hearing dog. Good enough the police asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. So the man and the ADA filed claim against the owner for abusing the ADA law. However, I was called to come and check the hearing dog out. I accepted the job; hearing dog was delivered to my place where I work with vet. I discovered a lot of surprised and stunned! Dog was full of deer ticks!, larva, and flea!!! Also I drew his blood out and had it tested for heartworm and hookworm by fecal. I just got disappoint new that it was tested positive and negative hookworm! Plus got positive for parvo which is dangerous into contact with other dogs. When I was called onto witness seat. I told the court that I support owner based one 3 things. 1. Dog can infected his place with fleas jumping on foods, customers and other. 2. Dog was in level 1 of being parvo (lightly) which can cause upset by bowel movement, vomiting blood. 3. Dog was not wearing his hearing vest on. According the law of service dog that I got from the paper. It said it is unlawful for a person with reckless disregard to allow his dog to injure, disable, or cause the death of a guide dog or service animal. So the court ordered the man to pay owner for fee of cleaning his resturant and cost of his business for one night. Sad to report, he is no longer to have hearing dog as his service because of this situation. He appeared in court not acting like he really care about his dog at all. (sigh)

I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

Tousi · 10-27-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VanG

Greeting!

Well- Few months ago, I was summoned to go to Court about service-hearing dog. Here is the story: The resturant owner just asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. The man said that he had the right so does his dog. An owner called police to have him remove including his hearing dog. Good enough the police asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. So the man and the ADA filed claim against the owner for abusing the ADA law. However, I was called to come and check the hearing dog out. I accepted the job; hearing dog was delivered to my place where I work with vet. I discovered a lot of surprised and stunned! Dog was full of deer ticks!, larva, and flea!!! Also I drew his blood out and had it tested for heartworm and hookworm by fecal. I just got disappoint new that it was tested positive and negative hookworm! Plus got positive for parvo which is dangerous into contact with other dogs. When I was called onto witness seat. I told the court that I support owner based one 3 things. 1. Dog can infected his place with fleas jumping on foods, customers and other. 2. Dog was in level 1 of being parvo (lightly) which can cause upset by bowel movement, vomiting blood. 3. Dog was not wearing his hearing vest on. According the law of service dog that I got from the paper. It said it is unlawful for a person with reckless disregard to allow his dog to injure, disable, or cause the death of a guide dog or service animal. So the court ordered the man to pay owner for fee of cleaning his resturant and cost of his business for one night. Sad to report, he is no longer to have hearing dog as his service because of this situation. He appeared in court not acting like he really care about his dog at all. (sigh)

I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

Wow, that's NOT good; gives all good service dogs a bad name. Definitely bad PR

VanG · 10-27-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Wow, that's NOT good; gives all good service dogs a bad name. Definitely bad PR

Yeah, I agree with you. I do support service for deaf, blind, and mobility dogs as long as they take good care of them.

I do give respect to PEK1 aka Peter, and other people that has service dogs.

knitteresa · 11-09-2007, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

It's true! My Mom does treat her dog better than me!

Dixie · 11-09-2007, 06:32 PM

Oh gross! I cannot imagine having a service dog that is in that poor of a condition. The dog could not perform at its peak due to the ticks fleas, worms and illnesses. If you have a service dog and plan on taking it EVERYWHERE with you, you REALLY have to be EXTREMELY diligent about staying up to date on shots, bathing, grooming, heartworm prevention and flea/tick prevention. Also aren't service dogs REQUIRED to have a vet check up every six months to say they are fit to work?

Think of your dog as if it were a therapy dog that works in a hospital - you have to keep that dog VERY clean at all times. Most therapy dogs I know receive a bath weekly sometimes twice weekly and are groomed daily. They are required to have a bill of health issued from their vet every six months to the certifying agency, and they are required to have their vest/harness on at all times while working. The dogs not only do therapy work but are also well versed in Rally (obedience trials) and some are also excellent gun dogs in the field.

But I am glad that in the end the man is no longer allowed to have a service dog. He blew his chance and he should have known better. In this case I have to side with the owner instead of the ADA.

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Greeting!

Well- Few months ago, I was summoned to go to Court about service-hearing dog. Here is the story: The resturant owner just asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. The man said that he had the right so does his dog. An owner called police to have him remove including his hearing dog. Good enough the police asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. So the man and the ADA filed claim against the owner for abusing the ADA law. However, I was called to come and check the hearing dog out. I accepted the job; hearing dog was delivered to my place where I work with vet. I discovered a lot of surprised and stunned! Dog was full of deer ticks!, larva, and flea!!! Also I drew his blood out and had it tested for heartworm and hookworm by fecal. I just got disappoint new that it was tested positive and negative hookworm! Plus got positive for parvo which is dangerous into contact with other dogs. When I was called onto witness seat. I told the court that I support owner based one 3 things. 1. Dog can infected his place with fleas jumping on foods, customers and other. 2. Dog was in level 1 of being parvo (lightly) which can cause upset by bowel movement, vomiting blood. 3. Dog was not wearing his hearing vest on. According the law of service dog that I got from the paper. It said it is unlawful for a person with reckless disregard to allow his dog to injure, disable, or cause the death of a guide dog or service animal. So the court ordered the man to pay owner for fee of cleaning his resturant and cost of his business for one night. Sad to report, he is no longer to have hearing dog as his service because of this situation. He appeared in court not acting like he really care about his dog at all. (sigh)

I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

pek1 · 11-10-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Oh gross! I cannot imagine having a service dog that is in that poor of a condition. The dog could not perform at its peak due to the ticks fleas, worms and illnesses. If you have a service dog and plan on taking it EVERYWHERE with you, you REALLY have to be EXTREMELY diligent about staying up to date on shots, bathing, grooming, heartworm prevention and flea/tick prevention. Also aren't service dogs REQUIRED to have a vet check up every six months to say they are fit to work?

Think of your dog as if it were a therapy dog that works in a hospital - you have to keep that dog VERY clean at all times. Most therapy dogs I know receive a bath weekly sometimes twice weekly and are groomed daily. They are required to have a bill of health issued from their vet every six months to the certifying agency, and they are required to have their vest/harness on at all times while working. The dogs not only do therapy work but are also well versed in Rally (obedience trials) and some are also excellent gun dogs in the field.

But I am glad that in the end the man is no longer allowed to have a service dog. He blew his chance and he should have known better. In this case I have to side with the owner instead of the ADA.

Dixie,

I bathe Snickers about once per month, maybe every six weeks. She is an extremely clean dog and no smell. Second, she sees her vet regularly and whenever she is having a problem. She didn't see the vet this past week because she had runny poop and did it in the classroom, but I have restricted all treats and treated her illness myself. Saves money. If it got worse, I would have her in. I also contacted a vet clinic that offers discounts, but haven't heard back yet. Third, you are giving a "certifying agency" way too much credit, as the ADA does NOT require a service animal to be "certified." Fourth and last, no one and I do mean NO ONE steps between my hearing dog and me. I trained her. No one has the right to judge her training by me, as I won't allow it. Rest assured, Snickers is my hearing dog and that's what I trained her to be, but to have someone come in and make a stupid request of a demonstration, ah, sorry but we are not a circus act and I don't do demonstrations. No hard feelings, Dixie, but this had to be told and misinformation needed to stand corrected.

pek1 · 11-10-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

Yeah, I agree with you. I do support service for deaf, blind, and mobility dogs as long as they take good care of them.

I do give respect to PEK1 aka Peter, and other people that has service dogs.

Thanks, VanG! I have to say that Snickers even eats better than I do sometimes and she never, ever is not fed twice per day, the amount that is recommended for her weight. She gets treats and bones to chew on and gets to go to the dog park, which some service dog owners wouldn't do, but I do, though I have had problems at various ones before, we stay away from them. I also play with her when we're off duty and she plays a mean game of "keep away."

All in all, VanG, Snickers is a pretty cool girl dog!

pek1 · 11-10-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

Greeting!

Well- Few months ago, I was summoned to go to Court about service-hearing dog. Here is the story: The resturant owner just asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. The man said that he had the right so does his dog. An owner called police to have him remove including his hearing dog. Good enough the police asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. So the man and the ADA filed claim against the owner for abusing the ADA law. However, I was called to come and check the hearing dog out. I accepted the job; hearing dog was delivered to my place where I work with vet. I discovered a lot of surprised and stunned! Dog was full of deer ticks!, larva, and flea!!! Also I drew his blood out and had it tested for heartworm and hookworm by fecal. I just got disappoint new that it was tested positive and negative hookworm! Plus got positive for parvo which is dangerous into contact with other dogs. When I was called onto witness seat. I told the court that I support owner based one 3 things. 1. Dog can infected his place with fleas jumping on foods, customers and other. 2. Dog was in level 1 of being parvo (lightly) which can cause upset by bowel movement, vomiting blood. 3. Dog was not wearing his hearing vest on. According the law of service dog that I got from the paper. It said it is unlawful for a person with reckless disregard to allow his dog to injure, disable, or cause the death of a guide dog or service animal. So the court ordered the man to pay owner for fee of cleaning his resturant and cost of his business for one night. Sad to report, he is no longer to have hearing dog as his service because of this situation. He appeared in court not acting like he really care about his dog at all. (sigh)

I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

A year ago in September, I was on the road for six weeks for training and Snickers couldn't come along. Before I left, she started coming down with some nasty rashes and I couldn't clear them up. The lady that I boarded her with took care of the situation and I was in almost constant contact with them and was kept in control with her cares. The bill went high, but it's just one of those things and it needed to be treated. Plus, Snickers hadn't had a vacation since being on duty for me, so six weeks and she didn't lose her training, which was nice. She plugged right back in when I came to get her for visiting and when we went on the road together.

As for this service dog in the story, this is really bad and the handler should lose the dog. Obviously, he doesn't care. Obviously, he doesn't need a service dog, so the dog should go to someone who needs help and will take care of him/her. Poor dog.

coolguy1973fla · 05-31-2008, 12:10 AM

Florida state law allows all publics (like store, mall, groceries, & other public places), schools (private & public), colleges, universities to allow guide, hearing, & service dogs only and you have valid service, guide dog trained certificate.

I was in Florida School for the Deaf and the Blind (as FSDB) Student 1984-1992 . I have seen one deaf & blind employee have certified guide see & hearing dog and few blind student does have guide dog in school.

also I had one deaf ex-girlfriend lives in Ormond Beach & currently live New Port Richey, FL She had a retired hearing dog name is Gator that Gator is black poodle dog right now his eye was got blind. Gator is living with ex-girlfriend's older sister in Plant City, FL.

etalton · 08-10-2008, 10:16 PM

Jeesh, "Normal" people can be so stupid. I can think of five different types of service dogs right off that bat, not just for the blind or the deaf, but for those with epilepsy, anxiety, physical disabilities too. If the dog is "on duty" and wearing the appropriate "service animal" garb, no one has the right to dispute the animal being there. Each dog is doing what it is trained to do. Heck, I have even seen a case where this guy had a seeing eye pony...one of those miniature ones, and those with physical disabilities use monkeys. You do what you need to do to live life to the fullest!

pek1 · 08-14-2008, 10:17 PM

etalton,

Actually, the ADA says nothing about any sort of cape/vest being required on a service animal. Commonly Asked Questions About Service Animals in Places of Business

In addition, "certification" is not required by any law, state or federal. When in doubt, federal law ALWAYS supercedes state law. Only two questions can be asked when stopped: 1. Is that a service animal? 2. What does the animal do? Any other question beyond this, even by a private person, is in violation of, not only your privacy, but your civil rights.

08-10-2008, 10:16 PM	#100 (permalink)
etalton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Eastern North Carolina Posts: 465	Jeesh, "Normal" people can be so stupid. I can think of five different types of service dogs right off that bat, not just for the blind or the deaf, but for those with epilepsy, anxiety, physical disabilities too. If the dog is "on duty" and wearing the appropriate "service animal" garb, no one has the right to dispute the animal being there. Each dog is doing what it is trained to do. Heck, I have even seen a case where this guy had a seeing eye pony...one of those miniature ones, and those with physical disabilities use monkeys. You do what you need to do to live life to the fullest! __________________ E.T. Left Ear Implanted 11-07-08 (Nucleus Freedom) Activation 12-18-08 http://et-mybionicjourney.blogspot.com/

08-14-2008, 10:17 PM	#101 (permalink)
pek1 Professional Writer. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 3,468	etalton, Actually, the ADA says nothing about any sort of cape/vest being required on a service animal. Commonly Asked Questions About Service Animals in Places of Business In addition, "certification" is not required by any law, state or federal. When in doubt, federal law ALWAYS supercedes state law. Only two questions can be asked when stopped: 1. Is that a service animal? 2. What does the animal do? Any other question beyond this, even by a private person, is in violation of, not only your privacy, but your civil rights. __________________ Pete Above Him there is no other . . . John 14:6.

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VanG VanAlldeaf.com :) Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 236	Greeting! Well- Few months ago, I was summoned to go to Court about service-hearing dog. Here is the story: The resturant owner just asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. The man said that he had the right so does his dog. An owner called police to have him remove including his hearing dog. Good enough the police asked the man and his hearing dog to leave his place. So the man and the ADA filed claim against the owner for abusing the ADA law. However, I was called to come and check the hearing dog out. I accepted the job; hearing dog was delivered to my place where I work with vet. I discovered a lot of surprised and stunned! Dog was full of deer ticks!, larva, and flea!!! Also I drew his blood out and had it tested for heartworm and hookworm by fecal. I just got disappoint new that it was tested positive and negative hookworm! Plus got positive for parvo which is dangerous into contact with other dogs. When I was called onto witness seat. I told the court that I support owner based one 3 things. 1. Dog can infected his place with fleas jumping on foods, customers and other. 2. Dog was in level 1 of being parvo (lightly) which can cause upset by bowel movement, vomiting blood. 3. Dog was not wearing his hearing vest on. According the law of service dog that I got from the paper. It said it is unlawful for a person with reckless disregard to allow his dog to injure, disable, or cause the death of a guide dog or service animal. So the court ordered the man to pay owner for fee of cleaning his resturant and cost of his business for one night. Sad to report, he is no longer to have hearing dog as his service because of this situation. He appeared in court not acting like he really care about his dog at all. (sigh) I know all of hearing dog are in good shape by trainer/ owner as long as they treat their dog in good shape like their own kids.

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coolguy1973fla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 235	Florida state law allows all publics (like store, mall, groceries, & other public places), schools (private & public), colleges, universities to allow guide, hearing, & service dogs only and you have valid service, guide dog trained certificate. I was in Florida School for the Deaf and the Blind (as FSDB) Student 1984-1992 . I have seen one deaf & blind employee have certified guide see & hearing dog and few blind student does have guide dog in school. also I had one deaf ex-girlfriend lives in Ormond Beach & currently live New Port Richey, FL She had a retired hearing dog name is Gator that Gator is black poodle dog right now his eye was got blind. Gator is living with ex-girlfriend's older sister in Plant City, FL.