Dumb access denial excuses for your service dog - Page 2

Angel · 02-15-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by EyesBlueDeaf

What about the hearing dog - I still don't see why Deaf people have to drag them along everywhere they go.

I don't have a problem with deaf people bringing their hearing dog where ever they go, if they have a documented to allow them to take the dog anywhere they go, then, what's the problem?....

I'm sorry I'm only speaking my own view on this, yet I don't see a problem with anyone bringing their service dog whether the dog is to help them hear, see, or lift them up etc etc....

I don't understand why make a big fuss about it, I heard some deaf people complaint to me why some deaf have a hanicapped sticker or sign in their car, if they are able to walk....It's like so what big deal, if they have forms from the doctor saying they're allow to have one, then leave it alone.....I'm tired of people complain over something so little...it's not going to hurt anyone and beside I don't think it's anyone's business really....

If she feel she wants to bring her service dog with her so the dog can help her hear, then let her

Cousin Vinny · 02-15-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

If they need those service dogs to help them, then let them take them, I don't think its right for someone to say why or how come?....It's printed very clearly in the ADA laws and they have a right to bring their service dogs with them period....

I generally agree with you. However, its the 'abuse' that concerns me. For example a couple of posters already said:

A Deaf actress always brings 3 service animals, when only 1 is required.
A poster says that a Deaf person is bringing his service animal, who is also Deaf?!?

If a lot of people bring service animals for no discernible reason or apparent utility, it could lead to legislation that will curtail the service animal provision of Title III of the ADA.

Thankfully, due to low incidence of Deaf people, and the fact not a lot of them choose to utilize their service animals in public, this perception of abuse largely has never materialized.

Angel · 02-15-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Eyeth

I generally agree with you. However, its the 'abuse' that concerns me. For example a couple of posters already said:

A Deaf actress always brings 3 service animals, when only 1 is required.
A poster says that a Deaf person is bringing his service animal, who is also Deaf?!?

However I do agree with you on taking 3 service dogs is not required, I don't see why need 3 when 1 is enough....

But I don't see the poster saying her service dog is deaf, where did she said that?...

02-15-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

However I do agree with you on taking 3 service dogs is not required, I don't see why need 3 when 1 is enough....

But I don't see the poster saying her service dog is deaf, where did she said that?...

Angel, are your glasses missing or too foggy?

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?...2&postcount=29

Angel · 02-15-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Angel, are your glasses missing or too foggy?

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?...2&postcount=29

I didn't read your post, I was replying to this thread that LuvsInk created which she has a service dog who takes it with her everywhere she goes, it seem some people have a problem with that when I don't see it as a problem

Second, I don't understand why your room mate who happen to be deaf is taking his service dog with him who is also deaf.....How is his service dog helping him?....

02-15-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

I didn't read your post, I was replying to this thread that LuvsInk created which she has a service dog who takes it with her everywhere she goes, it seem some people have a problem with that when I don't see it as a problem

Second, I don't understand why your room mate who happen to be deaf is taking his service dog with him who is also deaf.....How is his service dog helping him?....

No body dares to ask a deafie about his deaf dog...

According to ADA Business BRIEF: Service Animals, Businesses may ask if an animal is a service animal or ask what tasks the animal has been trained to perform, but cannot require special ID cards for the animal or ask about the person's disability.

Angel · 02-15-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

No body dares to ask a deafie about his deaf dog...

According to ADA Business BRIEF: Service Animals, Businesses may ask if an animal is a service animal or ask what tasks the animal has been trained to perform, but cannot require special ID cards for the animal or ask about the person's disability.

Okay fair enough.... :-/

02-15-2006, 09:37 AM

U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
Disability Rights Section

ADA Business BRIEF: Service Animals

Service animals are animals that are individually trained to perform tasks for people with disabilities such as guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling wheelchairs, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, or performing other special tasks. Service animals are working animals, not pets.

Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), businesses and organizations that serve the public must allow people with disabilities to bring their service animals into all areas of the facility where customers are normally allowed to go. This federal law applies to all businesses open to the public, including restaurants, hotels, taxis and shuttles, grocery and department stores, hospitals and medical offices, theaters, health clubs, parks, and zoos.

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Businesses may ask if an animal is a service animal or ask what tasks the animal has been trained to perform, but cannot require special ID cards for the animal or ask about the person's disability.

People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be charged extra fees, isolated from other patrons, or treated less favorably than other patrons. However, if a business such as a hotel normally charges guests for damage that they cause, a customer with a disability may be charged for damage caused by his or her service animal.

A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the animal is out of control and the animal's owner does not take effective action to control it (for example, a dog that barks repeatedly during a movie) or (2) the animal poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others.

In these cases, the business should give the person with the disability the option to obtain goods and services without having the animal on the premises.

Businesses that sell or prepare food must allow service animals in public areas even if state or local health codes prohibit animals on the premises.

A business is not required to provide care or food for a service animal or provide a special location for it to relieve itself.

Allergies and fear of animals are generally not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people with service animals.

Violators of the ADA can be required to pay money damages and penalties.

Liza · 02-15-2006, 09:52 AM

If you see a "healthy" deaf person walking with a service dog, it's more likely that person has limited vision issues.. Usher syndrome? A trained dog is very useful. If she or he did not have the dog everywhere... would have had problems bumping into people and into chairs, and knock over some supermarket displays. The little things count in a big way that some people don't realize.

LuvsInk · 02-15-2006, 11:16 AM

When I started this thread it was to be a fun place to talk about all the dumb excuses that people have used to deny access with your service dog. I should not have to defend my "right" to have one or feel that I need to explain why I have a handicapped plaque. I need my dog and that is that. For those that don't use a service dog, I don't mind, so why should you mind if I do? So, can we please get back on topic and make this fun and not a war on ADA vs. ADA. I have already stated that I am a responsible handler and if someone has a "real problem" then I will accomodate them as I expect to be accomodated for my disabilities. What I won't tolerate is someone trying to use lame excuses to get their way because they are ignorant of the law and my civil rights. I stand up for what I believe in and know to be my right. I may be handicapped but I will use every means available to me to be as independent as I can and I will not allow anyone to take from me anything that allows me this independence.

LMM · 02-15-2006, 01:41 PM

LMM don't see her SERVICE DOG as a fun topic... Her dog is here for a purpose! To do a job. Her service dog knows what her job is, and takes pride in doing so!
When LMM corrects her dog, That's her responsible, No one's esle! Yes she have had people try to correct her dog. She gets mad when she trys to tell them back off! They are a team ! This what makes their bond more pure .
She carry with them her lil black book, Which is Right's Law's of Service dog's.
People that have pet dog's see her correct her dog, Think shes being crule to service dog! Which by no means she is! If you have a service dog, You know the true hard work put into service dog's, And why wash it down a drain, Because of someone's stupidility!
When her service dog not on work, LMM & her play differnet then pet & owner ! This also make's their bond stronger..
Service dog's not toy's, Not pet's! They are working dog's!Point blank as LMM would say.
They have been many place's , On T.V. have met many people in last years.
She will never trade her life for a millon dollar's!
To look back on what LMM & her service dog have done, I applaud everything
they have done for our community. They have open many door's & eye's in our community.They have changed how people and/or bussiness treat service dog's!Sure wasn't because of fun treatment they recived!It was her hard determintion. She had to go over the top of people and/or bussiness!
She will not stop at anything, when it comes down to her right's!
Yes, She may have help from family & friend's, Only because our world don't understand her Language.
Next time you see a service dog & a lady. Think. Is that LMM & her service dog?

pek1 · 02-16-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LMM

LMM don't see her SERVICE DOG as a fun topic. Her dog is here for a purpose! To do a job. Her service dog knows what her job is and takes pride in doing so!

When LMM corrects her dog, that's her responsibility, no one else's! Yes, she's had people try to correct her dog. She gets mad when she tries to tell them to back off! They are a team! This what makes their bond more pure.
She carries with them her lil' black book, which is the Right's and Law's of Service Dog's.People that have pet dogs see her correct hers, and think she's being cruel, which by no means she is!

If you have a service dog, you know the true hard work put into service dog's. Why wash it down the drain because of someone's stupidity?!

When her service dog not on work, LMM & her play differently than pet & owner. This also makes their bond stronger.

Service dog is not a toy, not a pet. They are working dog's! Point blank as LMM would say.

They have been many places: On tv and have met many people in last year.

She will never trade her life for a millon dollars!

To look back on what LMM & her service dog have done, I applaud everything
they have done for our community: They have open many doors & eyes in our community, changed how people and/or business treat service dogs! Sure wasn't because of fun treatment they received! It was her hard determination. She had to go over the top of people and/or business! She will not stop at anything when it comes down to her right's!

Yes, she may have help from family & friend's, only because our world doesn't understand her language.

Next time you see a service dog & a lady. Think: Is that LMM & her service dog?

LMM,

I can only say that I can't believe you told these morons the other reasons you have a service dog. I never would have, as it's not required under the ADA. I edited what you said to make it easier to read.

Now, take out all the "she's, her's, lady, and think: Is that pek1 (Pete)?

LMM · 02-17-2006, 10:25 PM

Pete
I relay for LMM. It take us time to read & translate post on the board.
This post real hit LMM. She wants the public & people know exactly what to
expect of Service dog & their handlers.
Now the true question is will they listen what she have to say throu me?
Or will they just try close the door on her as many have! But that won't stop LMM from me telling about her & service dogs rights!
I might be typing LMM words's, She is shock at how people can't could understand her. When she frist reply herself here on the board. Now she have me do this for her, So there no misunderstanding. She may ignorant to the English Language, but that doesn't mean she isn't intelligent in her own Language.
LMM is just same as anyone esle! She don't see her other health problem's as handicap's. She see herself as anyone esle with medical condition's. Her medical disorder's will not infect you, If you touch her, she will not break.
Only thing differnet about LMM is her Language skill from our's!
Her service dog have save her life in the past. Recived awards for her Service dog duty's! Yes they have be sent throu test, Making sure it was all her service dog! In front of over 500.000.00 viewer's! T.V station's phone were ringing off the hooks after Live coverage was done! People were amaze what they saw that night. Because you can't train sevice dog's or pet dogs what her service dog did! Yes LMM was have a true medical emergercy! She service dog went right to work... During the fliming they had doctor's & specialist from out of state join in on the show. The specialist had LMM on an EEG machine. They knew she was in seizure active. They were amaze her sercive dog knew before they did! This was all caught on tape!
with all what LMM have live with, She still wakes up on the right side of bed with a smile at the sunshine!
LMM would like to see picture of your service dog Pete. She have a golden retrive. Her dog does wonderful job for her,. she learns LMM Language from her monthly. yes her dog does understand her Language just beautiful !
LMM

Angel · 02-17-2006, 10:48 PM

Your screen name is LMM, but you posted that LMM likes etc etc....now my question is who is LMM?....

Sorry if this is off-topic but I'm quite confused when I read your post LMM, if you are speaking for yourself or for someone else?.....

Edit I just read your post above, forgive me now I got it, Thank you! Sorry about that....

pek1 · 02-20-2006, 09:33 PM

LMM, I'm not doubting the language skills, never have, which is NOT a putdown or insulting, okay? Why should the people here NOT listen to LMM? I think her and I are a lot alike, although I get very frustrated with people and accessibility. I was challenged like you would not believe at a Wal*Mart store in Hastings, Minnesota yesterday afternoon. Three managers wanted "certification" paperwork, one said a friend of hers trains dogs and it is required, she would not budge. I called the police, will not deal with this kind of silliness. They have, even though the manager was apologetic at noon today when he called me back, lost my business. I have been in this store numerous times and have never had a problem. I will be testing the store again Friday, as I will be back in town there for a meeting that afternoon.

As for the picture of me and Snickers, pm me with your email addy, will be happy to send a pic to you.

I presume, Relay, that when you are at work and doing the tty, that you type as how the client talks, not how a language interpreter would? Instead of saying, "LMM said..." you would say, "I said..." meaning, that is what LMM/client said verbatim, correct? I've used relay on occasion, as I have student loan lenders who are complete morons and I can't talk to them one the phone, as they try my patience.

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Originally Posted by LMM

Pete
I relay for LMM. It take us time to read & translate post on the board.
This post real hit LMM. She wants the public & people know exactly what to
expect of Service dog & their handlers.
Now the true question is will they listen what she have to say throu me?
Or will they just try close the door on her as many have! But that won't stop LMM from me telling about her & service dogs rights!
I might be typing LMM words's, She is shock at how people can't could understand her. When she frist reply herself here on the board. Now she have me do this for her, So there no misunderstanding. She may ignorant to the English Language, but that doesn't mean she isn't intelligent in her own Language.
LMM is just same as anyone esle! She don't see her other health problem's as handicap's. She see herself as anyone esle with medical condition's. Her medical disorder's will not infect you, If you touch her, she will not break.
Only thing differnet about LMM is her Language skill from our's!
Her service dog have save her life in the past. Recived awards for her Service dog duty's! Yes they have be sent throu test, Making sure it was all her service dog! In front of over 500.000.00 viewer's! T.V station's phone were ringing off the hooks after Live coverage was done! People were amaze what they saw that night. Because you can't train sevice dog's or pet dogs what her service dog did! Yes LMM was have a true medical emergercy! She service dog went right to work... During the fliming they had doctor's & specialist from out of state join in on the show. The specialist had LMM on an EEG machine. They knew she was in seizure active. They were amaze her sercive dog knew before they did! This was all caught on tape!
with all what LMM have live with, She still wakes up on the right side of bed with a smile at the sunshine!
LMM would like to see picture of your service dog Pete. She have a golden retrive. Her dog does wonderful job for her,. she learns LMM Language from her monthly. yes her dog does understand her Language just beautiful !
LMM

Oakley_04 · 02-20-2006, 11:37 PM

Does your have MUST have a cerficate, like for example my family dog does not have one and it do bark at door to get my attention or he nudges for my attention when there is noise and someone is calling my name. and i took him to my place and landlord said NO and this lady that works with dogs says i have the right no matter what..what so i do??

LMM · 02-21-2006, 12:12 PM

This have taken us time to think how to answer this. Why? because LMM & I have seen lurkings here and other message boards. Read respone's about service dog's, How they can gain access with their "PET" dog claim to be service dog. Only they may not understand it's agaist the law. They can be fined & court cost.
Now to answer your questions.
No your service dog doesn't need to be certified. but when you train or have your dog train for being your service dog, It helps to do when they are puppy's. Because if you are very confronted by ADA , ADA will know if this is a pet or service dog! The two are very differnet from each other, Even they have the same blood line. service dog's have long hard hours of training, where your pet dog may never see this kind of training.
Service dog go in resturants, When you are eating you don't want your service dog eating everything off the floor or begging for food. Plus people food put weight on your service dog, over weight is not good or health for your service dog!
You really don't want to train your dog any aggression behavior's! This is what happens too offen when teaching your your dog to be protect of! If she/he hasn't had the proper training. Here again key answer "Proper Training".
Also playing your tug-of-war with your dog teach's bad manner's!

Now Pete,
You need DEMAND police officer to take your report. It's your right to have police officer hold up the law. If not, go to police department ask to speak with chief of police. Tell him/her your name what happen where date . If police office show up get his/her name give this to chief. Now if LMM have has this happen too, She would let public know what happen. By going to local T.V Newspaper. We bet you tell Chief this, Something will be done!
You have right to shop at that store, they have no bussiness ask you any
paper work on yourself and/ or your dog! Point blank!
File a formal complaint w/ ADA... 800 - 514 0383 TTD
They do a full research on this. please keep in touch w/ them!
Side note Pete, when if you do speak w/ chief. I would advice to bring to his/her attention, That you be more then happy to train him and /or personal
about service dogs. Set up meeting date. Bring infor about service dog & rights!Run copy's of your paper work to hand out. Hope this turn out to be helpfull for your city! But most important yourself & rights!

LMM

02-21-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LMM

Now Pete,
You need DEMAND police officer to take your report. It's your right to have police officer hold up the law. If not, go to police department ask to speak with chief of police. Tell him/her your name what happen where date . If police office show up get his/her name give this to chief. Now if LMM have has this happen too, She would let public know what happen. By going to local T.V Newspaper. We bet you tell Chief this, Something will be done!
You have right to shop at that store, they have no bussiness ask you any
paper work on yourself and/ or your dog! Point blank!
File a formal complaint w/ ADA... 800 - 514 0383 TTD
They do a full research on this. please keep in touch w/ them!
Side note Pete, when if you do speak w/ chief. I would advice to bring to his/her attention, That you be more then happy to train him and /or personal
about service dogs. Set up meeting date. Bring infor about service dog & rights!Run copy's of your paper work to hand out. Hope this turn out to be helpfull for your city! But most important yourself & rights!
LMM

For your information, any local police department does not enforce for federal laws but state laws...

All you have to do is to contact U.S. Dept of Justice (not FBI)

Taylor, am I correct?

pek1 · 02-21-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LMM

This have taken us time to think how to answer this. Why? because LMM & I have seen lurkings here and other message boards. Read respone's about service dog's, How they can gain access with their "PET" dog claim to be service dog. Only they may not understand it's agaist the law. They can be fined & court cost.
Now to answer your questions.
No your service dog doesn't need to be certified. but when you train or have your dog train for being your service dog, It helps to do when they are puppy's. Because if you are very confronted by ADA , ADA will know if this is a pet or service dog! The two are very differnet from each other, Even they have the same blood line. service dog's have long hard hours of training, where your pet dog may never see this kind of training.
Service dog go in resturants, When you are eating you don't want your service dog eating everything off the floor or begging for food. Plus people food put weight on your service dog, over weight is not good or health for your service dog!
You really don't want to train your dog any aggression behavior's! This is what happens too offen when teaching your your dog to be protect of! If she/he hasn't had the proper training. Here again key answer "Proper Training".
Also playing your tug-of-war with your dog teach's bad manner's!

Now Pete,
You need DEMAND police officer to take your report. It's your right to have police officer hold up the law. If not, go to police department ask to speak with chief of police. Tell him/her your name what happen where date . If police office show up get his/her name give this to chief. Now if LMM have has this happen too, She would let public know what happen. By going to local T.V Newspaper. We bet you tell Chief this, Something will be done!
You have right to shop at that store, they have no bussiness ask you any
paper work on yourself and/ or your dog! Point blank!
File a formal complaint w/ ADA... 800 - 514 0383 TTD
They do a full research on this. please keep in touch w/ them!
Side note Pete, when if you do speak w/ chief. I would advice to bring to his/her attention, That you be more then happy to train him and /or personal
about service dogs. Set up meeting date. Bring infor about service dog & rights!Run copy's of your paper work to hand out. Hope this turn out to be helpfull for your city! But most important yourself & rights!

LMM

LMM,

I was very upset with the Walmart in Hastings and will do a followup visit this week, as I will be in town again. The manager was very apologetic, but, I think 16-years is sufficient time for these people to get into compliance.

May I also note that service dogs are trained to the "T" for the person they will be working with. Snickers was actually my pet before she became my hearing dog. I'm even more strict with her now than anyone and watch her like a hawk. Would you believe that some girl put her younger sibling down directly into Snickers face to pet her this past Saturday afternoon? The people were really shocked when I confronted them ("What are you doing? This is a service animal, don't touch!"). This is exactly what I said. I also say, on occasion, that I am NOT responsible for dog bites if someone gets bit and didn't ask permission. These women that were with this girl were clearly looking to get their child bit so they could gain some money, which is something that people with service animals have to look out for, unfortunately.

Taylor · 02-21-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

For your information, any local police department does not enforce for federal laws but state laws...

All you have to do is to contact U.S. Dept of Justice (not FBI)

Taylor, am I correct?

Depends on what it is...if its narcotics and such, then we can charge at the federal level. When it comes to ADA, that is not something that we enforce in our department (we will respond and explain to the business owner if there is some sort of dispute). Its almost like building codes. Building codes are considered law, but its not enforced by the police. It would be enforced by Inspections and Permits (only using this as an example).

ADA law is enforced by several different agencies. Here is a list I have taken from DOL's website:

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission enforces regulations covering employment. For information call 1-800-669-4000 Voice, 1-800-669-6820 TTY.
The Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board has the responsibility to issue minimum guidelines to ensure that buildings, facilities, and transit vehicles are accessible and usable by people with disabilities. For information call 202-872-2253 Voice, 1-800-993-2822 TTY
The Department of Transportation enforces regulations governing transit. For information call 1-888-446-4511 Voice; use relay service for TTY.
The Federal Communications Commission enforces regulations covering telecommunication services. For information call 1-888-225-5322 Voice/TTY.
The Department of Justice enforces regulations governing public accommodations and State and local government services. For information call 1-800-514-0301 Voice, 1-800-514-0383 TTY.

LMM · 02-21-2006, 11:06 PM

Pete
Know it's late, But this matter is now very important!
Let mme take time to expain a few trhings.
1 your state is under a law that protect your right more then maybe some may know!
As I have told you Demand your police department take formal complaint. That way your General Attorney office will get your complaint's! They will take legal action!
Also I would go back to Walmart.. Take pictures if they have a sign on their doors " Service Animals Welcome Here " this could be used in court of Law, More then maybe someone may think!
Police office can/will let party that violate ADA law, Know what they are up agaist if they don't apply! Most time the party will apply, Because they don't want to battel in a courtroom.
When you call ADA hotline they will check out your issue, Then they will contact you with an Attorney in your city and/or State !
Also Pete, I advice you to contact your State Governor, He/she may help you also! You bring this kind of issue up with them, You be surprize how much help you may recive.
BTW Tayor I never said call F.B.I center!

LMM

LuvsInk · 02-22-2006, 05:14 PM

If you want to file a complaint against Walmart you need to go to:

www.wakeupwalmart.com

to file a complain for access denial of a service dog.

I am a member of a service dog organization in Florida that has been to the State Capitol to fight for our rights and have the state statutes changed to reflect the ADA laws. Yes, federal supercedes local but try getting the wrong police officer that doesn't want to be bothered. If you get a police officer that doesn't want to file a written complaint for you, be nice, and ask for his/her superviser. You can be nice and persistent. I know its hard but everyone that takes the proper stand now helps other people down the road. I guess you could say we are paving the way. If you need to file a complaint with the ADA you have to submit a written complaint to:

Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
950 Penn. Ave. N.W.
Disability Rights Section - N.Y.A.V.
Washington D.C. 20530

If you are asked to leave a place don't stand there and argue, leave and call the police. Let the police do the arguing for you. That way you cannot be accussed of civil disobedience. It doesn't hurt to have a copy of the ADA laws along with a copy of your state's statute pertaining to the use of service dogs with you. If you live in Florida it is Florida Statute 413.08.

If your state statute doesn't reflect the ADA, start writing letters to your congressmen asking that it be changed.

pek1 · 02-22-2006, 06:00 PM

Thanks for all your help everyone!!

I will be back in the area Friday evening and will be stopping in. My camera will be along to take pictures, as well. I will print out this page off my laptop, not the computer I'm on now because I can't get printouts. I will also be contacting the complaint line for Wal*Mart.

02-15-2006, 09:52 AM	#39 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 3,879	If you see a "healthy" deaf person walking with a service dog, it's more likely that person has limited vision issues.. Usher syndrome? A trained dog is very useful. If she or he did not have the dog everywhere... would have had problems bumping into people and into chairs, and knock over some supermarket displays. The little things count in a big way that some people don't realize. __________________

02-15-2006, 11:16 AM	#40 (permalink)
LuvsInk LuvsInk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 75	Dumb Access Denials When I started this thread it was to be a fun place to talk about all the dumb excuses that people have used to deny access with your service dog. I should not have to defend my "right" to have one or feel that I need to explain why I have a handicapped plaque. I need my dog and that is that. For those that don't use a service dog, I don't mind, so why should you mind if I do? So, can we please get back on topic and make this fun and not a war on ADA vs. ADA. I have already stated that I am a responsible handler and if someone has a "real problem" then I will accomodate them as I expect to be accomodated for my disabilities. What I won't tolerate is someone trying to use lame excuses to get their way because they are ignorant of the law and my civil rights. I stand up for what I believe in and know to be my right. I may be handicapped but I will use every means available to me to be as independent as I can and I will not allow anyone to take from me anything that allows me this independence.

02-22-2006, 05:14 PM	#52 (permalink)
LuvsInk LuvsInk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 75	Wake up Walmart If you want to file a complaint against Walmart you need to go to: www.wakeupwalmart.com to file a complain for access denial of a service dog. I am a member of a service dog organization in Florida that has been to the State Capitol to fight for our rights and have the state statutes changed to reflect the ADA laws. Yes, federal supercedes local but try getting the wrong police officer that doesn't want to be bothered. If you get a police officer that doesn't want to file a written complaint for you, be nice, and ask for his/her superviser. You can be nice and persistent. I know its hard but everyone that takes the proper stand now helps other people down the road. I guess you could say we are paving the way. If you need to file a complaint with the ADA you have to submit a written complaint to: Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 950 Penn. Ave. N.W. Disability Rights Section - N.Y.A.V. Washington D.C. 20530 If you are asked to leave a place don't stand there and argue, leave and call the police. Let the police do the arguing for you. That way you cannot be accussed of civil disobedience. It doesn't hurt to have a copy of the ADA laws along with a copy of your state's statute pertaining to the use of service dogs with you. If you live in Florida it is Florida Statute 413.08. If your state statute doesn't reflect the ADA, start writing letters to your congressmen asking that it be changed.

02-22-2006, 06:00 PM	#53 (permalink)
pek1 Professional Writer. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 3,346	Thanks for all your help everyone!! I will be back in the area Friday evening and will be stopping in. My camera will be along to take pictures, as well. I will print out this page off my laptop, not the computer I'm on now because I can't get printouts. I will also be contacting the complaint line for Wal*Mart. __________________

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02-15-2006, 01:41 PM	#41 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	LMM don't see her SERVICE DOG as a fun topic... Her dog is here for a purpose! To do a job. Her service dog knows what her job is, and takes pride in doing so! When LMM corrects her dog, That's her responsible, No one's esle! Yes she have had people try to correct her dog. She gets mad when she trys to tell them back off! They are a team ! This what makes their bond more pure . She carry with them her lil black book, Which is Right's Law's of Service dog's. People that have pet dog's see her correct her dog, Think shes being crule to service dog! Which by no means she is! If you have a service dog, You know the true hard work put into service dog's, And why wash it down a drain, Because of someone's stupidility! When her service dog not on work, LMM & her play differnet then pet & owner ! This also make's their bond stronger.. Service dog's not toy's, Not pet's! They are working dog's!Point blank as LMM would say. They have been many place's , On T.V. have met many people in last years. She will never trade her life for a millon dollar's! To look back on what LMM & her service dog have done, I applaud everything they have done for our community. They have open many door's & eye's in our community.They have changed how people and/or bussiness treat service dog's!Sure wasn't because of fun treatment they recived!It was her hard determintion. She had to go over the top of people and/or bussiness! She will not stop at anything, when it comes down to her right's! Yes, She may have help from family & friend's, Only because our world don't understand her Language. Next time you see a service dog & a lady. Think. Is that LMM & her service dog?

02-17-2006, 10:25 PM	#43 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	Pete I relay for LMM. It take us time to read & translate post on the board. This post real hit LMM. She wants the public & people know exactly what to expect of Service dog & their handlers. Now the true question is will they listen what she have to say throu me? Or will they just try close the door on her as many have! But that won't stop LMM from me telling about her & service dogs rights! I might be typing LMM words's, She is shock at how people can't could understand her. When she frist reply herself here on the board. Now she have me do this for her, So there no misunderstanding. She may ignorant to the English Language, but that doesn't mean she isn't intelligent in her own Language. LMM is just same as anyone esle! She don't see her other health problem's as handicap's. She see herself as anyone esle with medical condition's. Her medical disorder's will not infect you, If you touch her, she will not break. Only thing differnet about LMM is her Language skill from our's! Her service dog have save her life in the past. Recived awards for her Service dog duty's! Yes they have be sent throu test, Making sure it was all her service dog! In front of over 500.000.00 viewer's! T.V station's phone were ringing off the hooks after Live coverage was done! People were amaze what they saw that night. Because you can't train sevice dog's or pet dogs what her service dog did! Yes LMM was have a true medical emergercy! She service dog went right to work... During the fliming they had doctor's & specialist from out of state join in on the show. The specialist had LMM on an EEG machine. They knew she was in seizure active. They were amaze her sercive dog knew before they did! This was all caught on tape! with all what LMM have live with, She still wakes up on the right side of bed with a smile at the sunshine! LMM would like to see picture of your service dog Pete. She have a golden retrive. Her dog does wonderful job for her,. she learns LMM Language from her monthly. yes her dog does understand her Language just beautiful ! LMM

02-17-2006, 10:48 PM	#44 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,842	Your screen name is LMM, but you posted that LMM likes etc etc....now my question is who is LMM?.... Sorry if this is off-topic but I'm quite confused when I read your post LMM, if you are speaking for yourself or for someone else?..... Edit I just read your post above, forgive me now I got it, Thank you! Sorry about that....

02-20-2006, 11:37 PM	#46 (permalink)
Oakley_04 Nozobo's undie Boi Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 1,188	Does your have MUST have a cerficate, like for example my family dog does not have one and it do bark at door to get my attention or he nudges for my attention when there is noise and someone is calling my name. and i took him to my place and landlord said NO and this lady that works with dogs says i have the right no matter what..what so i do??

02-21-2006, 12:12 PM	#47 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	This have taken us time to think how to answer this. Why? because LMM & I have seen lurkings here and other message boards. Read respone's about service dog's, How they can gain access with their "PET" dog claim to be service dog. Only they may not understand it's agaist the law. They can be fined & court cost. Now to answer your questions. No your service dog doesn't need to be certified. but when you train or have your dog train for being your service dog, It helps to do when they are puppy's. Because if you are very confronted by ADA , ADA will know if this is a pet or service dog! The two are very differnet from each other, Even they have the same blood line. service dog's have long hard hours of training, where your pet dog may never see this kind of training. Service dog go in resturants, When you are eating you don't want your service dog eating everything off the floor or begging for food. Plus people food put weight on your service dog, over weight is not good or health for your service dog! You really don't want to train your dog any aggression behavior's! This is what happens too offen when teaching your your dog to be protect of! If she/he hasn't had the proper training. Here again key answer "Proper Training". Also playing your tug-of-war with your dog teach's bad manner's! Now Pete, You need DEMAND police officer to take your report. It's your right to have police officer hold up the law. If not, go to police department ask to speak with chief of police. Tell him/her your name what happen where date . If police office show up get his/her name give this to chief. Now if LMM have has this happen too, She would let public know what happen. By going to local T.V Newspaper. We bet you tell Chief this, Something will be done! You have right to shop at that store, they have no bussiness ask you any paper work on yourself and/ or your dog! Point blank! File a formal complaint w/ ADA... 800 - 514 0383 TTD They do a full research on this. please keep in touch w/ them! Side note Pete, when if you do speak w/ chief. I would advice to bring to his/her attention, That you be more then happy to train him and /or personal about service dogs. Set up meeting date. Bring infor about service dog & rights!Run copy's of your paper work to hand out. Hope this turn out to be helpfull for your city! But most important yourself & rights! LMM

02-21-2006, 11:06 PM	#51 (permalink)
LMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 136	Pete Know it's late, But this matter is now very important! Let mme take time to expain a few trhings. 1 your state is under a law that protect your right more then maybe some may know! As I have told you Demand your police department take formal complaint. That way your General Attorney office will get your complaint's! They will take legal action! Also I would go back to Walmart.. Take pictures if they have a sign on their doors " Service Animals Welcome Here " this could be used in court of Law, More then maybe someone may think! Police office can/will let party that violate ADA law, Know what they are up agaist if they don't apply! Most time the party will apply, Because they don't want to battel in a courtroom. When you call ADA hotline they will check out your issue, Then they will contact you with an Attorney in your city and/or State ! Also Pete, I advice you to contact your State Governor, He/she may help you also! You bring this kind of issue up with them, You be surprize how much help you may recive. BTW Tayor I never said call F.B.I center! LMM