My god is tarnished. I remember an old pic of Spock giving a speech to an audience of cops. Every single cop had his arms crossed and I recall thinking, "Hmmm, the dude has something there."
Signing "FACE" for the actual face and then "BOOK" for an actual book to represent the social network, Facebook is linguistically confusing. Another is signing "SUPER" as in someone is super and then "BOWL" for an actual bowl to respresent the football game, Superbowl. Those are the few examples out of many that makes SEE rebundant.
I am hearing, and a Deafblind Intervenor who uses sign language with my students... and I would NEVER use SEE with them. It is inaccurate, and cumbersome. It is not an actual language, merely a manual representation of English.
AlleyCat says it well:
That has to be one of the more audist posts that I've seen in a while.It's not rebundant...it's understandable. You just prefer the lazy way of communication which drops your intelligence level. Simple.
Try telling that to a pirate or a redneck (with heavy southern accent) that English is better than their "ASL". :p
That has to be one of the more audist posts that I've seen in a while.
I am just pointing out the every day occurrences.
Seriously - if I was at a corporate company in a board meeting and there were two choices of which interpreters I would want: ASL or SEE.
I would choose SEE because I would want to pay attention to the board members' choices of vocabularies and knowing what EVERY word is being spoken in order for me to judge upon whether if those individuals are "intelligent". It would give me a better way to sell my sales pitch as a Deaf person.
If I chose using ASL - I am VERY DEPENDENT on the interpreter choices of vocabularies to make me sound SMART to them.
In order to succeed at SEE in a meeting like this - English language is required to be competent in order to be selling something that is very dependent on how I would present whatever I want to sell.
Is this Audism that I chose to use SEE, which I am already qualified to use and understand, over ASL in a situation like this?
I use ASL around other Deaf people with no problems. ASL can be learned later or co-exist with SEE as it happened for me and many other Deaf people I have met over the last several years (who started with SEE).
EDIT: Added below.
I re-read what I said. I was just picking at the LANGUAGE. Not the hearing abilities of someone. So it is not audism that I performed. Maybe signism? :p
deafbajagal said:Then, by your definition, I'm extremely unintelligent and a backward-thinker. Which is fine by me. Luckily I know better than to be defined by numbers and systems. I define myself.
Measuring intelligence with language and/or communication mode isn't advisable. That is exactly how the misconstrued views of what intelligence really means started from. Especially for deaf people.
You can't speak, therefore you are dumb. The more you know English, the smarter you are. Those myths thrive, even today. It's perfectly fine if someone is incompetent in English but is fluent in ASL. English is NOT superior to ASL. It's not a hearing world. It's a world full of many languages. And ASL is one of them. If a deaf person can't read or write at all but is very fluent in ASL, then my hat is off to him/her. Being fluent in one language is better than being "okay" in two languages.
It's not rebundant...it's understandable. You just prefer the lazy way of communication which drops your intelligence level. Simple.
Of course, English is not superior to any language. Well, I was in public school, I learned PSE (with a bit of SEE) and I was okay in the school. But it only helped me a bit. So I moved to the Deaf school, my writing skill was very improved and much better. Thanks to ASL.
For me ASL is used for everyday conservation with signers and SEE doesn't cut it. ASL fits the bill. Everything that makes English a great spoken language also renders it quite cumbersome in signed form.
I see English as necessary for the outside world hence my support for Bi-BI.
It's audistic to assume that SEE is better than ASL and that SEE users are more intelligent than ASL users and you certainly questioned Shel's intelligence in prefering ASL over SEE.
Is using oral terps somehow a more independant choice?
HOW on EARTH does using a language other than English translate into a "lazy way of communication"???? Someone who prefers ASL over SEE...which is not a language in and of itself... is less intelligent? Seriously?
You begun with "a bit of SEE" even when it's PSE. Proved my point.