Wrong word order?

jillio said:
I think the reference was to asking a question that had already been answered.
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And since I still didn't understand, I ask for clarification. In some circles that would be considered a good thing. Unfortunately, here, that is called being argumentative and it is better to just fall in line.
 
faire_jour said:
And since I still didn't understand, I ask for clarification. In some circles that would be considered a good thing. Unfortunately, here, that is called being argumentative and it is better to just fall in line.
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I clarified. But I stated the same thing I had earlier.
 
jillio said:
There you go. Cultural considerations need to be taken into account, as well as linguistic considerations. For instance, a test standardized on a caucasion population is not valid and reliable for the African American population. It needs to be modified, and the modified version has to be standardized on the intended population. A basic principle of research, testing, and assessment.
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Wait, I have another question. How far does this go? So, if it needs to be standardized on different populations, where does it stop? Is it standardized on men vs women? How about people with autism? People who use wheelchairs? Where is the line?
 
faire_jour said:
Wait, I have another question. How far does this go? So, if it needs to be standardized on different populations, where does it stop? Is it standardized on men vs women? How about people with autism? People who use wheelchairs? Where is the line?
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Why does there have to be a line; standardization of each group as they are recognized....maybe I'm missing something...
 
Tousi said:
Why does there have to be a line; standardization of each group as they are recognized....maybe I'm missing something...
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Well, that's what I'm asking. Do they standardize for men vs women? What about autism? I'm asking how someone decides what needs standardized and what doesn't. What is considered a deviance from "normal" and would be scored with a typical test and what is considered a sub group that would need it's own standardization.
 
Tousi said:
Why does there have to be a line; standardization of each group as they are recognized....maybe I'm missing something...
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Don't ask me what is electricity or how it works. Specialists have been working with it for decades and I just trust they know what they are doing. :lol:
The same thing with this topic. A lot of it is over my head but I won't worry about it.
 
Beowulf said:
Don't ask me what is electricity or how it works. Specialists have been working with it for decades and I just trust they know what they are doing. :lol:
The same thing with this topic. A lot of it is over my head but I won't worry about it.
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But I think Jillio is one of those specialists, so I hope she will answer this!
 
faire_jour said:
But I think Jillio is one of those specialists, so I hope she will answer this!
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I think she has been answering as best she could. Can't fault her for failing to make an electric light bulb go off above our heads. Ah well.
 
Beowulf said:
I think she has been answering as best she could. Can't fault her for failing to make an electric light bulb go off above our heads. Ah well.
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Well, I'm actually asking a new question that she hasn't addressed yet.
 
faire_jour said:
Wait, I have another question. How far does this go? So, if it needs to be standardized on different populations, where does it stop? Is it standardized on men vs women? How about people with autism? People who use wheelchairs? Where is the line?
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Wheelchair use does not affect cognition. But yes, a test that was standardized on men will not be valid and reliable for the female population. Different cultures need to be taken into consideration when interpreting the results of any testing instrument. As does cognitive disabilities, language differences, religious belief, etc. All of these things can affect the results of a testing instrument, more or less, depending on what exactly is being assessed. Do tests get modified specifically for all these? Usually not. However, the clinician is obligated to take these things into consideration before the results are interpreted. Rarely is a number score the only source of reporting the results. Interpretation is a much larger factor.
 
faire_jour said:
Well, that's what I'm asking. Do they standardize for men vs women? What about autism? I'm asking how someone decides what needs standardized and what doesn't. What is considered a deviance from "normal" and would be scored with a typical test and what is considered a sub group that would need it's own standardization.
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Few tests are scored using T scores alone, and that is where you will see deviance from the standardized score. However, projective tests have been modified for different cultural groups because values and belief systems differ. Therefore, an answer that would be acceptable in one culture may not be in a different culture. That all has to be considered before determining results.

Here is an example. A sentence completion test. Instructions are to complete the sentence "Mary had a little lamb and...." A white middle class child would say "it's fleece is white as snow." A child from an East Indian culture would perhaps say, "she ate it." Is her answer wrong? Absolutely not. Does it indicate deviance? No. Would we reformat the whole test to accomdate that one child? No. But the cultural considerations would be taken into consideration when interpreting the results.
 
jillio said:
Wheelchair use does not affect cognition. But yes, a test that was standardized on men will not be valid and reliable for the female population. Different cultures need to be taken into consideration when interpreting the results of any testing instrument. As does cognitive disabilities, language differences, religious belief, etc. All of these things can affect the results of a testing instrument, more or less, depending on what exactly is being assessed. Do tests get modified specifically for all these? Usually not. However, the clinician is obligated to take these things into consideration before the results are interpreted. Rarely is a number score the only source of reporting the results. Interpretation is a much larger factor.
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about religion, I wouldn't be surprised IF they ever ask certain christian how old is the earth and she'll answer whatever her beliefs is. Even though she knows the sciencific's answer to that question.
 
Beowulf said:
I think she has been answering as best she could. Can't fault her for failing to make an electric light bulb go off above our heads. Ah well.
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I try, but a lot of this stuff is either "you get it." or "you don't get it." I can't teach an entire research methodology course or a testing and assessment course on a forum.
 
deafgal001 said:
about religion, I wouldn't be surprised IF they ever ask certain christian how old is the earth and she'll answer whatever her beliefs is. Even though she knows the sciencific's answer to that question.
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Yes. Religious beliefs alter answers as well. That is why it is necessary to get a complete history on anyone that is being tested.
 
jillio said:
Wheelchair use does not affect cognition. But yes, a test that was standardized on men will not be valid and reliable for the female population. Different cultures need to be taken into consideration when interpreting the results of any testing instrument. As does cognitive disabilities, language differences, religious belief, etc. All of these things can affect the results of a testing instrument, more or less, depending on what exactly is being assessed. Do tests get modified specifically for all these? Usually not. However, the clinician is obligated to take these things into consideration before the results are interpreted. Rarely is a number score the only source of reporting the results. Interpretation is a much larger factor.
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But, as you said, wheelchair use does not affect cognition, and neither does deafness. So, why would you need a standardization for deaf people that is different from hearing people.
 
faire_jour said:
But, as you said, wheelchair use does not affect cognition, and neither does deafness. So, why would you need a standardization for deaf people that is different from hearing people.
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Deafness most definately affects cognition. Just look at the differences in your thought processes and the thought processes of many of the deaf people on this forum. Look at the differences in your values and the values of the deaf people on this forum. That all is cognition.
 
jillio said:
Deafness most definately affects cognition. Just look at the differences in your thought processes and the thought processes of many of the deaf people on this forum. Look at the differences in your values and the values of the deaf people on this forum. That all is cognition.
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Cultural differences yes, but I mean IQ differences.
 
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