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Teresh said:I want people to have a spiritual relationship with God. Exactly what religion the person is practicing doesn't matter to me so long as they have that and respect the beliefs of others.
The problem I have with Jews for Jesus as an organisation is that they do not respect the beliefs of other people. In fact, they actively try to change the beliefs of other people in order to have more of their own. Then, the proselyte is encouraged to go out, as you do, and try to convert others.
You and the organisations of people like you do not respect the beliefs of other people... That is why I find myself diametrically opposed to people like you. The Jesus thing is not the most important thing, it's the utter lack of respect or reverance for other people's beliefs and traditions.
Who said I don't think that? I certainly didn't. You're putting words in my mouth.
Deprogramming is the opposite of brainwashing... Since Jews for Jesus brainwashes its proselytes as a matter of policy, it is logical that a person who has joined that organisation from a Jewish background would need to be un-brainwashed.
A. It's not illegal... If it is, then Jews for Jesus is just as guilty.
B. Jews for Judaism does not force anyone to follow Judaism as a religion. Rather, it merely encourages Jews to embrace their religion and its spirituality rather than rejecting it and converting to something else.
My age should not be incredibly important here because I am well-educated (perhaps better than you are) and I don't have an axe to grind with people who don't follow my religion.
Judaism teaches that all people, righteous or wicked, will reap what they sow in the afterlife if there is one. I'm inclined to agree. There are good people of every faith and creed and wicked people of every faith and creed and it's just plainly irrational to suggest that the righteous Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Taoists, Atheists, et al. will all go to hell (if there is one) because they didn't believe Jesus was a god.
Obviously, you will disagree with me on this point, but that reflects the fact that while you are a Jew by law you are a Christian by practice and belief, regardless of how hard you work to emulate Jewish practice.
Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said I "work with the Rabbis" nor did I ever claim to be a Jew. I claim to be a Noachide, an informal ger toshav if you will, but not a Jew.
But you're also using the term Rabbis as if it were some kind of massive conspiracy. A typical Christian vantage point, but not even remotely true when you actually understand Rabbinical Judaism as a religion. Actually, depending on your rationale for it, it could be said to be Anti-Semitic as it would imply that the Jews as a matter of policy work to deceive people.
You are a Jew, raised in a Reform household if I recall--Were you ever taught to lie to people as a matter of principle?
I am former staff to work with Jews for Jesus for some years and am longtime friend with Jews for Jesus. We Jews for Jesus give people a choice to decide accept or reject the Messiah Y'shua. We believe that we never force them to believe this. This is a person's free will between a person and GOD.
Deprogramming is similiar as brainwashing to make you believing that Jesus is not Messiah and force you to deny Him.
Thatis not true.. I have researched this history in past and know it is against legal For example, a rapist want to do agaist your will since you would say No to rapist but rapist do force you for sex that means against your will. Same thing as deprogrammers are doing against your will that you do not want to deny the Messiah Jesus but they can give you real confusing in the bible which is mostly twisting story etc... They can make you denying the Messiah Jesus.
BUZZZ BUZZZZZ wrong... I have been knowledge about Jews for Judaism and know their ways to force them to deny Messiah Jesus.
Over IM, per conversation, you already told me that you work with the rabbi in your area since you attend the temple.
Let me tell you that 23 years ago the rabbi who works with the deaf jews did send letters to every deaf jews including me. I read his letter that he is certainly deprogrammer and wants to find any deaf messianic jews for doing a deprogramming on them. I have an evidence of his letter without doubting. He also told me over phone, he wanted me to deny the Messiah Jesus therefore I refused to deny Him as Messiah.
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