What does "audism" mean to the deaf community?

Beowulf said:
Hmmm, when I think about it, I have met several oralists who admitted they wished they grew up with ASL, while I have never met an ASL user who wished to be oralists. Maybe it is just me, I dunno. But I do not see any controversy in the deaf community about the power of ASL. Whoever said that if an ape uses sign, it is language, but if a human being signs, it is not was undoubtedly hearing.
Yup, take this with a grain of slt, lol.
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I have met ASL users who say that they wish that they have oral skills but none of them have said that they wished they were never exposed to ASL.
 
dogmom said:
In another thread somewhere at some earlier point I wrote a bit my thoughts relating to what Souggy and Sally just now in here wrote - about the connection between attempted destruction of culture - specifically and most obviously language - of First Nations peoples, especially in earlier school settings - and same attempts with regard to ASL or signed languages in oral-only venues.
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When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.
 
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deafskeptic said:
When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.
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Yes... I remember a few Cree students when I was going to school in Alberta. Very sad.

At least BC offer total immersion schools in First Nations tongues... only thing is that they are far and few. :(
 
deafskeptic said:
When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.
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It is a sad and tragic history. Such a loss of language, culture, and spirituality.
 
Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.
 
rockin'robin said:
Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.
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I am honestly sorry to hear that you had to endure that treatment. :hug:
 
yes, I agree, souggy, deafskeptic and jillio....

and I too am sorry that happened to you, RR

when I was in college I was in international dorm and had roommates from various countries - Indonesia, Japan, Singapore - and generally met students from countries in Africa, and from Pakistan...I really enjoyed meeting people from all over the world and learning about various cultures. If I had not been open to this I would not have learned what I did and been able to share in any exchange, my world would be less rich. My open and unconditional interest helped to facilitate acquaintances and friendships and really made my time in college extremely enjoyable. I enjoyed benefit of learning beyond the classroom.
 
rockin'robin said:
Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.
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I think what that teacher is inexcusable. I'm sorry this happened to you. :hug:
 
dogmom said:
yes, I agree, souggy, deafskeptic and jillio....

and I too am sorry that happened to you, RR

when I was in college I was in international dorm and had roommates from various countries - Indonesia, Japan, Singapore - and generally met students from countries in Africa, and from Pakistan...I really enjoyed meeting people from all over the world and learning about various cultures. If I had not been open to this I would not have learned what I did and been able to share in any exchange, my world would be less rich. My open and unconditional interest helped to facilitate acquaintances and friendships and really made my time in college extremely enjoyable. I enjoyed benefit of learning beyond the classroom.
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One of the things I loved about my son's school was that it was a very multi-cultural environment. In his graduating class, there was a student from So. Africa, a student from Western Africa, a student from Iran, and a student from Norway. Add that to the fact that they were all deaf, and it was a wonderful environment to teach diversity and understanding.
 
jillio, what a great opportunity for your son! Did he share any of his memorable experiences with you?
 
Maria said:
I know, my dear friend. But, I don't want them to think I hate them as persons for what/who they are. I just despite "audism" by how they TREAT deaf people. It bothers me. I love just bein' me and I accept "me" for what/who I am. That's my comfortin', not theirs. I am sorry if, I sound feisty or spunky. I am sometime bein' selfish about what and who I am. :lol:
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Oh no Maria. You are fine. No apology needed. You know the onese that really bug me are the deaf audists.
 
rockdrummer said:
Oh no Maria. You are fine. No apology needed. You know the onese that really bug me are the deaf audists.
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RD, can you expand on what you mean? I find that deaf on deaf friction to not be healthy for the population. They even coined a name for it to distinquish the attitude being sent by hearing people: Dysconscious audism. :roll: But if you are meaning from deaf to hearing, it wouldn't fit the current "sentiment/definition".
 
dogmom said:
jillio, what a great opportunity for your son! Did he share any of his memorable experiences with you?
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Oh, yes! He became particularly close friends with the student from South Africa, as they played soccer togerther. Because that student couldn't get back home except once or twice a year, he would spend about one week-end a month with us. He would bring recipes for dishes from his country, and we would all go to the grocery to find special ingredients, and then cook a meal together centered around that dish. He loved to storytell, and was quite animated and good at it. We both learned quite a bit about growing up in South Africa.
 
wow, jillio, what great memories for your son AND you - and hopefully other students too. The food-sharing is great way to learn about each other! We did that in my dorm, too, and at International Club parties:D It's where I first learned to use chopsticks:), among other things. And I bet there were certainly lots to tell about S. Africa, and that could also dispel people's misperception in U.S. about Africa.

:hmm:thinking....audism denial of d/Deafhood......

audism - denial of Self.....

<above my thoughts only and not meant to be judgment of anyone personally>
 
I am very much against audism, because audists think they know all about deafness and for the life of me why do they know about deafness, if they have never been deaf themselves. :scratch: I really don't like them to force us to take speech and lipreading if the deaf child could not handle them. As for me, I went through that in both mainstream elementary schools and high school without sign language, and oh, I was mad at the hearing principal of the hearing high school that he had the gall not understand how difficult it is for us to suffered in a hearing classroom with no accommodations trying to lipread. :ugh: I feel much better get my chest off on a rant. sorry, guys. :smile:
 
Bebonang, I'm sorry that you had to endure that. You've grown into a wonderful woman despite that hardship. The hearing could learn a lot from you.
 
I've never posted a youtube vid before so it may not work right.

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Edit: It works ok when you open it in a new window or a new tab, but I don't know how to bring up the picture the way I've seen others do.

Edit edit: Ok did it that time.

In another video Deaf Red Bear discusses dysconscious audism.
 
I am sick of this word Audism, Audism Audism from D people who called d people audism. It is alike they are obessed with this word and put label on anyone who somewhat different from D culturalists. D cultralists need to grow up .
 
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