Vent :mad: what s wrong with owner of horse!

[Phillips]

Sorry, this may get a little short, but I just needed to get it out. It has been such a rough for me, especially the last night. Here is my story...


My friend's cousin got free of a thoroughbred mare which had her possible fourth foal three years ago. I knew that her horse is normally a very gentle and loving young mare that has wonderful manners. after the birth 4th foal. She was extremely aggressive toward foal. I told her that mare was being dangerous to foal. Mare bit cousin's chest and vet also bit her own foal as well. My friend and I looked and approaches at her stall. She charges the stall door with her ears flat and teeth bared. Vet and cousin decided to take the filly away from mare when she was only few days old and bottle milk.

Now My friend informed me this morning that cousin keeps breeding her mare and gave birth 5th filly two days ago. Now filly is across the rainbow because mare kicked and beat up the filly! I am so mad at her cousin who stubborn and continue breeding her aggressive mare which hates foal!

By the way, She won't tell me or said not know what happen three foals by former owner! I also Asked Why to breeding aggressive mare?? .. cousin said because her mare's grand-grandfather of famous race horse Secretariat! I told her, Obviously that they get rid of mare and no good breeding! Cousin dislikes me! :roll:

 

[Frisky Feline]

wow you seem to know horses a lot. Its ok for you to vent it all here on AD. I hope cousin has to come to sense about breeding horses so ridiciously.

curious what do you think of horseracing? bad or good? i know some horses like to race but some horses dislike racing.

 

[Phillips]

wow you seem to know horses a lot. Its ok for you to vent it all here on AD. I hope cousin has to come to sense about breeding horses so ridiciously.

curious what do you think of horseracing? bad or good? i know some horses like to race but some horses dislike racing.

As for me both good and bad!

My uncle used own race horses. They were warning me that some of them are aggressive. I never forget that one of his horses did bite a trainer's nose. Its need reattached nose! I can tell some of the horses do not want the race but jockey does beat severely with a whip. Furthermore, I do observe some of the horses do love race.

 

[Barbaro]

Breeders use them for racetracks, and if they don't win, then they are worthless, and even discard them or sell them for meat. If a horse has a weird injury, they will discard "it", they move on and will keep breeding horses like cats no matter what until a healthy and strong horse wins, and will make fortune off that. That's why there are so many thoroughbred horses out there are abandoned. There is no regulation at all.

If that horse you said is a descendant of Secretartist, there are so many descendants of Secretartist are worthless if they are injured, old or weak, they are discarded. They hope to strike a gold if a descendant of Secretartist wins, then it is worth the fortune.

 

[S0rceress0]

The breeding of a horse should be for a purpose, not just because it is a descendant of Secretariat.
For jumping, large parents with a long stride, upward sloping shoulder, big suspension, tight lower legs. Mentally, level head with a pull to win.
Dressage, sloping shoulder, smooth stride, ease of transitions, big forward reach, long neck.
Cattle horse: Big engine in the back, tight tendons, big wind and nostrils, turn on a dime, calm and quiet.
Racing: Big engine, (I like big hooves for mudders) long neck, big wind and nostrils, incredible stamina for long distance runners, Especial will to GO. The "I'll show you" attitude. "Alpha" mindset.
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Breeding a horse without a purpose in mind is like allowing rats to breed in your home with no constraint. It takes your money and gives the horse nothing but problems.
If a breeding mare is aggressive toward her foals, but still contains those "perfect" traits that you really want, then removing the foal immediately after birth is necessary. Lots of work. Allowing a foal to be kicked to death is abuse. I'm not joking about the amount of work though. Feeding every few hours, making sure the foal is warm and has company during those first critical days to ensure a good trusting mindset. Emotional upset can lead to physical problems. Colostrum, and then the milk after it needs to go down, and be digested properly. Because a horse cannot bring it back up, a soured digestion can possibly lead to colic and a dead foal.

Horses are work. Phillips, your cousin really should reconsider why she is breeding.

 

[The Highlander]

Breeders use them for racetracks, and if they don't win, then they are worthless, and even discard them or sell them for meat. If a horse has a weird injury, they will discard "it", they move on and will keep breeding horses like cats no matter what until a healthy and strong horse wins, and will make fortune off that. That's why there are so many thoroughbred horses out there are abandoned. There is no regulation at all.

If that horse you said is a descendant of Secretartist, there are so many descendants of Secretartist are worthless if they are injured, old or weak, they are discarded. They hope to strike a gold if a descendant of Secretartist wins, then it is worth the fortune.

That's fucked up.

 

[Dixie]

The selling of horses for meat consumption here in the United States is banned, however it is still legal in parts of Canada and Mexico so these horses actually suffer further abuse. They have to endure days long rides out of the country in cramped stock trailers with no access to food or water. Not only that this ban on horses for slaughter has also caused more horses in general to fall victim to abandonment and neglect in this crappy economy as well as the overall prices of horses to fall. Used to you could go to the sale barn and not get less then $500 for your horse. Now you are lucky if you get $200. There is only so much that horse rescues can do here in the States.

So this ban has good things and bad things about it. I hate the idea of horse meat for human consumption as I see a horse as a pet rather than food.

As for this breeding based on paternal lineage is stupid. My Labrador was the great-grandson of Trumarc's Zip Code and Trumarc's Itchin' To Go. Both were accomplished hunters and proven competitors in hunt tests and field trials, both AKC and CKC (Canadian Kennel Club). Both were MH, QAA, GHR, GRHRCH, FTCH. Those letters tell me the lineage had some brains in it as well as athletic ability. Did I ever breed my Labrador? HELL NO! Having puppies is more work than I needed at the time. I was going to have him clipped shortly after his 2nd birthday. The dog was smart and had an excellent temperment, but was a knucklehead all at the same time. A good hunter, just not field trial quality. Plus he had hip dysplasia which I later found out ran on his mother's side. Had I known this, I never would have bought him in the first place. But at any rate he was still the best damn dog I ever had.

 

[Phillips]

The selling of horses for meat consumption here in the United States is banned, however it is still legal in parts of Canada and Mexico so these horses actually suffer further abuse. They have to endure days long rides out of the country in cramped stock trailers with no access to food or water. Not only that this ban on horses for slaughter has also caused more horses in general to fall victim to abandonment and neglect in this crappy economy as well as the overall prices of horses to fall. Used to you could go to the sale barn and not get less then $500 for your horse. Now you are lucky if you get $200. There is only so much that horse rescues can do here in the States.

So this ban has good things and bad things about it. I hate the idea of horse meat for human consumption as I see a horse as a pet rather than food.

As for this breeding based on paternal lineage is stupid. My Labrador was the great-grandson of Trumarc's Zip Code and Trumarc's Itchin' To Go. Both were accomplished hunters and proven competitors in hunt tests and field trials, both AKC and CKC (Canadian Kennel Club). Both were MH, QAA, GHR, GRHRCH, FTCH. Those letters tell me the lineage had some brains in it as well as athletic ability. Did I ever breed my Labrador? HELL NO! Having puppies is more work than I needed at the time. I was going to have him clipped shortly after his 2nd birthday. The dog was smart and had an excellent temperment, but was a knucklehead all at the same time. A good hunter, just not field trial quality. Plus he had hip dysplasia which I later found out ran on his mother's side. Had I known this, I never would have bought him in the first place. But at any rate he was still the best damn dog I ever had.

Sorry about that! I am wonder... If a foal survives from aggressive mare then grow up and will be alike aggressive behavior as well?!! jeez!

 

[Bottesini]

Sorry about that! I am wonder... If a foal survives from aggressive mare then grow up and will be alike aggressive behavior as well?!! jeez!

Possible. That genetic tendency is still in the bloodline. I wouldn't use an animal like that with uncertain temperament for breeding.

 

[Phillips]

Possible. That genetic tendency is still in the bloodline. I wouldn't use an animal like that with uncertain temperament for breeding.

Agree with you... I am not happy with her idiot cousin!!

 

[Dixie]

Sorry about that! I am wonder... If a foal survives from aggressive mare then grow up and will be alike aggressive behavior as well?!! jeez!

Possibly, but you don't know this until the horse has grown and it's personality has developed. You can also 'train' this out of the horse from an early age I am told, but I'm not into horses so don't take my word for it.

 

[S0rceress0]

Possibly, but you don't know this until the horse has grown and it's personality has developed. You can also 'train' this out of the horse from an early age I am told, but I'm not into horses so don't take my word for it.

Aggressive tendencies are inherited yes, but just like any other animal, a horse can be taught to control the aggressive tendencies. Learning triggers of aggression is important as well as reward training when the horse chooses not to follow the aggressive path. An intact stallion is more likely to follow their aggressive tendencies but if the family line has shown a decrease of aggression in the bloodline when bred to nonaggressive mares it is useful to consider the horses qualities when choosing to breed or not. I was involved in breeding a very sweet little saddle mare with a real nutjob of a thoroughbred. The resulting offspring grew up to be not quite a conformation star but tall, with a bright intelligence and took to first saddling with nothing more than a little disconcerted shake.
Aggression can most certainly be trained into a horse as well. Beat a horse long enough and it can learn to turn on you to protect itself, even with it's flight characteristics. A well placed hoof can do real damage, and they know how to use them if they feel cornered and threatened.
edit: There are horses that are mentally deficient that are also aggressive and have no business being bred. It is very difficult to train these horses.

 

[Dixie]

Aggressive tendencies are inherited yes, but just like any other animal, a horse can be taught to control the aggressive tendencies. Learning triggers of aggression is important as well as reward training when the horse chooses not to follow the aggressive path. An intact stallion is more likely to follow their aggressive tendencies but if the family line has shown a decrease of aggression in the bloodline when bred to nonaggressive mares it is useful to consider the horses qualities when choosing to breed or not. I was involved in breeding a very sweet little saddle mare with a real nutjob of a thoroughbred. The resulting offspring grew up to be not quite a conformation star but tall, with a bright intelligence and took to first saddling with nothing more than a little disconcerted shake.
Aggression can most certainly be trained into a horse as well. Beat a horse long enough and it can learn to turn on you to protect itself, even with it's flight characteristics. A well placed hoof can do real damage, and they know how to use them if they feel cornered and threatened.
edit: There are horses that are mentally deficient that are also aggressive and have no business being bred. It is very difficult to train these horses.

I've heard of a woman who 'trained' her aggressive male with a two by four, literally. She beat the aggressive nature out of him from what I understand. I would think this method would be highly counterproductive. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.