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Let me to do math for Microsoft, Peter is just not know about math.

$299.99: Xbox 360
$99.99: Hard drive add-on (20GB)
$99.99: Network adaptor
$39.99: HDTV code for plug on tv
$99.99-$199.99: HD-DVD add-on
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Final total: $640-$740

Then Xbox 360 is more expensive than PS3. Microsoft, such as Peter need go back to high school and learn about using math. Some math teachers at my school have PS2 and love to play so much but they using wise with PS3 prices as they said Xbox 360 is more expensive, based on math for add-on and few features.

PS3 will including blu-ray, WiFi built-in, wireless controller, HDMI, 60GB and some features, it will cost $599.99. I know that many people are smart enough to know about compare with prices including add-on for xbox 360 and no add-on needed for PS3 ($599.99), Peter is just stupid and no thinking. I just laughing at him about doing bad with math and count for compare with prices.

60GB is worth for about $300 and blu-ray is worth for about $1,000 but I believe that many people will get PS3 because less cost and no add-on needed, just better get PS3 for $599.99. I can afford to get one on Nov 17 and I believe that demand would be higher, much more than xbox 360.

SNES and Sega Genesis haven't make fun of Neo-Geo because cost $649.99 and released in 1991, also with 3DO for $699.99 in 1993.
 
$99.99: Hard drive add-on (20GB)
$99.99: Network adaptor
$39.99: HDTV code for plug on tv
$99.99-$199.99: HD-DVD add-on

The rest is all opintal meaning the person dont HAVE to buy all of those unless he's filthy rich as Bill Gates...hell, I dont even have a HDtv and not even a network adaptor...I bought the core system first due to the price yes, but I saved more money later on to get the HDD that would allow me to play some orginal Xbox games on it and I think I'm statisifed enough with what I got. I also got the wireless controller as well so I believe what I need now is just wait for more games. watching DVDs and playing xbox and xbox360 games is pretty much what I want since I'm not all that interested in going online since I still have some friends who could come over once in awhile to play mulitplayer games with me.

While the PS3 is still pretty expenisve, but it would come in two packages by choice of customers. the cheaper PS3 will not support wireless controllers, support HDMI, and only have 20 gb HDD so its very embrassassing for Sony while both core and preminum xbox360 do support wireless controllers and HDMI as well. Blu-ray is still too new so thats part of the reason of its high price and we havent even got a jump around into the new formats of entertainment just yet. Don't be surprised if there would be anymore add-ons for the PS3 in the future, because I heard they would come up with a 100 gb HDD someday. While Xbox360 is more of an opintal console, it leaves customers more time and more money to buy add ons when they feel like it but most of them just want one by the price and the games. While the PS3 would be $600, most of the PS3 games would be around $60 so if you buy one with a game of course it would be $660 plus, an additcal controller which would cost around $50 or less. (if wireless that is) so if you buy the $600 PS3, a $60 game and an additional wireless controller by $50 in all at launch, of course the total is around $710. It's still pretty expensive, and is not much of a choice to give to the customer, so they would proably go for the $500 version with a wired controller which would be around $30 or more at launch. It would be around $590 or $600 as the other more expensive version.

So, really the xbox360 has given more choices than it seems. It doesnt HAVE to support HDTV, it doesnt NEED a HD DVD drive or even HAVE to get a network adapter if you arent into online gaming.

But the question here about the PS3...does it REALLY need blu-ray drive? The answer is no...it doesnt really need that to survive. It can still run on DVD ROM like the Xbox360 have. The PS3 can get a Blu-ray add on if they want to but no they WANT it inside the system so it cost alot more. The PS3 can still play standard DVDs, so why do you really need a Blu-ray drive anyway when you can still watch your DVDs on it? Not everyone have a HDTV and the HD era isn't even that close yet. Sony always try to be the first to try new things, like get the PS2 to be a DVD player and the PSP to play UMDs and now they want to be the first to try the console with a Blu-ray drive. They aren't really focusing on videogames anymore...they are focusing more on entertainment. and making new ideas on new kind of entertainment always get expensive. I'm just thankful that my xbox360 is DVD rom and can still play xbox, xbox360, DVDs, and support wireless controllers and thats all I would ever want to make me happy.

Good luck on getting the PS3, anyway.
 
Five reasons current HDTVs aren't ready for gaming prime time.

1.) specifications for a lot of this techology have yet to be finalized. Only very recently, for example, has an interim AACS spec been released to allow manufacture of blu-ray hardware and software. The key word is "interim", as the current specifications will eventually be modified and finalized. its possible that a particular piece of hardware or setup that works now could wind up totally busted after the final AACS specs are released and have tricked into hardware and software.
Also, keep in mind that current high def content such as TV shows, movies and sports boardcasts are currently only transmitted in 720p and 1080i. while the ATSC standard, which governs hi def specifications, does include an official spec for 1080p, it is not likley that content will be transmitted as such anytime soon. when blu-ray movies begin to ship, they are likely to be 720p and 1080i, not 1080p movies on disc, thus requiring 1080p compliant inputs?
and current shots of the PS3 show ONLY HDMI output. does that mean folks with just a DVI port on their HDTVs haver to buy a pricey HDMI-to-DVI converter cable? will that converter account for digital audio as well? (HDMI carries both audio and video signals) see, you have nothing to lose by waiting 'til this fall. surely, sony's promised "4D gaming" will be worth it.

2.) and here's why HDCP-compliant inputs are important. new copy protection scheme AACS-similar to the protection method CSS currently impletmented in today's DVD flicks...is the encrytion techology designed to protect hi-def content on next generation media such as HD-DVD and blu-ray discs. Hollywood, you see, is VERY protective of its properties, and it won't give you a high resloution verison of a movie without some sort of copy protection in place. AACS will actually limit the output resloution by using something called Image Constraint Token. This component can restrict the resloution of the movies to 540p if you are not using HDCP-compliant hardware to watch the films.

3.) The majority of current HDTVs have some sort of digital input, whether it be HDMI or DVI, but just because that port is present doesnt mean it supports HDCP. HDCP is the protocol that determines if your blu-ray disc player and HDTV are trusted devices, thus allowing full resloution movie playback. If ur tv lacks an HDCP compliant DVI or HDMI input, ur image will be dumped down to barely better than DVD quality images. analog component inputs wont work either, HDCP requies a digital interface, so dont think you'll get your high def fix that way.

4.) HDTV prices have tumbled over a grand in the past few years, and their feature sets have improved with each revision, giving you more bang for your buck. by PS3's launch, new HDTVs will have hit with true 1080p support, bigger screens, faster color wheels and refresh rates, and more inputs.

5.) Sony brags that the PS3 can output in "state of the art" 1080p resloution, but 1080p is NOT an official standard. very few HDTVs actually support it. you will find a few HDTVs such as the higher end samsung DLP sets, that can transform a 1080i image into 1080p, but their inputs dont support a true 1080P signal. so...if MGS4 for the PS3 can output in 1080p, almost no current HDTV or projector could accept its signal, and you would get at best an upconverted 720p signal or deinterlaced 1080i. its still a pretty picture nearly impossible to discern from 1080p but not the proverbial 1080p image.
 
Steel X said:
$99.99: Hard drive add-on (20GB)
$99.99: Network adaptor
$39.99: HDTV code for plug on tv
$99.99-$199.99: HD-DVD add-on

The rest is all opintal meaning the person dont HAVE to buy all of those unless he's filthy rich as Bill Gates...hell, I dont even have a HDtv and not even a network adaptor...I bought the core system first due to the price yes, but I saved more money later on to get the HDD that would allow me to play some orginal Xbox games on it and I think I'm statisifed enough with what I got. I also got the wireless controller as well so I believe what I need now is just wait for more games. watching DVDs and playing xbox and xbox360 games is pretty much what I want since I'm not all that interested in going online since I still have some friends who could come over once in awhile to play mulitplayer games with me.

While the PS3 is still pretty expenisve, but it would come in two packages by choice of customers. the cheaper PS3 will not support wireless controllers, support HDMI, and only have 20 gb HDD so its very embrassassing for Sony while both core and preminum xbox360 do support wireless controllers and HDMI as well. Blu-ray is still too new so thats part of the reason of its high price and we havent even got a jump around into the new formats of entertainment just yet. Don't be surprised if there would be anymore add-ons for the PS3 in the future, because I heard they would come up with a 100 gb HDD someday. While Xbox360 is more of an opintal console, it leaves customers more time and more money to buy add ons when they feel like it but most of them just want one by the price and the games. While the PS3 would be $600, most of the PS3 games would be around $60 so if you buy one with a game of course it would be $660 plus, an additcal controller which would cost around $50 or less. (if wireless that is) so if you buy the $600 PS3, a $60 game and an additional wireless controller by $50 in all at launch, of course the total is around $710. It's still pretty expensive, and is not much of a choice to give to the customer, so they would proably go for the $500 version with a wired controller which would be around $30 or more at launch. It would be around $590 or $600 as the other more expensive version.

So, really the xbox360 has given more choices than it seems. It doesnt HAVE to support HDTV, it doesnt NEED a HD DVD drive or even HAVE to get a network adapter if you arent into online gaming.

But the question here about the PS3...does it REALLY need blu-ray drive? The answer is no...it doesnt really need that to survive. It can still run on DVD ROM like the Xbox360 have. The PS3 can get a Blu-ray add on if they want to but no they WANT it inside the system so it cost alot more. The PS3 can still play standard DVDs, so why do you really need a Blu-ray drive anyway when you can still watch your DVDs on it? Not everyone have a HDTV and the HD era isn't even that close yet. Sony always try to be the first to try new things, like get the PS2 to be a DVD player and the PSP to play UMDs and now they want to be the first to try the console with a Blu-ray drive. They aren't really focusing on videogames anymore...they are focusing more on entertainment. and making new ideas on new kind of entertainment always get expensive. I'm just thankful that my xbox360 is DVD rom and can still play xbox, xbox360, DVDs, and support wireless controllers and thats all I would ever want to make me happy.

Good luck on getting the PS3, anyway.

I disagree, xbox 360 is rediciuously expensive including all add-on stuff and Sony promised that would have no add-on for PS3 if already pay for $599.99. PS3 with 60GB is much worth but xbox 360 using 20GB, that cost more on because 20GB + 20GB + 20GB is $299.99 and it's good for long time until 2011. Whatever what you said, xbox 360 is still expensive, who cares. Using your thinking about math or go back to high school. HD-DVD add-on is required for xbox 360 because many gaming would be growing into most HD-DVD with few DVD and you would sit in porch, and thinking about send all cashes or credit card to get HD-DVD add-on. You see that how is Peter doing stupid job and asked if xbox 360 is cheaper but many people would think that completely bullshit. Without doubt and tell promise that blu-ray will become dominant over worldwide and HD-DVD are going be sprink, or decline.

You are thinking about "GB" that what Sony said, blu-ray will be based on 50GB since HD-DVD would be 15GB. I'm sure that many game developers would change the graphic, sound, add more features and gameplay. Many people would see graphic on between PS3 and xbox 360, their would answer... graphic on xbox 360 is pointless but little better than original xbox, it wouldn't successful what PS3 does. That's up to you with money and that's not my problem. Good luck with xbox 360 and see in one day that Microsoft is lose soon, expected to be happened in spring 2007.

You don't read my post so carefully, just looking at prices, but I'm not including with $499.99 because many people wouldn't buy one and get $599.99 without any problem. I would see if Sony would $500 PS3 to being abandoned in anytime and time is enough and enough but it would good for people that who is dislike with gaming online, not want with movies too.. I just compare with between xbox 360 and $599.99 PS2 but xbox 360 is still expensive though. Demand for PS3 would be higher as xbox 360, or can be more than that but not really about low demand as such like Neo-Geo in 1991 and 3DO in 1993.

I have TV with HDTV built-in, we need wait and see about HDTV for PS3. You can buy TV with HDTV built-in at local electronic stores (such as Best Buy, Fry's and Circuit City), or big store departments (such as Target and Wal-Mart) but some of prices are not bad, it's growing over worldwide.

Blu-rays movies would be cost in range $17.99 to $23.99, that's same prices as DVD in 1997 and DVD player is used cost about $1,000 in 1997.
 
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All abroad the ship with a Wii flag

Sony's PS3 will make us want and get a HD TV. It seems both Microsoft and Sony's bundles have their pros and cons. I really am only interested in price drops for both the XBOX360 and the PS3. I'd like to get a PS3 first, but I want to see a $200-300 pirce drop first. XBOX360 might win me over with some games, namely Mobile Suit Gundam. I am a Gundam fan and that game is one possible selling point for a 360 to me. Ninja Gaiden 2 is another. As amazing as Ninja Gaiden on XBOX is, it is scary to think of how good its sequel will be on the 360.
What's interesting about the above I just typed, is I'm still getting a Wii first. I am willing to pay $250 for it on launch day.
 
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Batou said:
Sony's PS3 will make us want and get a HD TV. It seems both Microsoft and Sony's bundles have their pros and cons. I really am only interested in price drops for both the XBOX360 and the PS3. I'd like to get a PS3 first, but I want to see a $200-300 pirce drop first. XBOX360 might win me over with some games, namely Mobile Suit Gundam. I am a Gundam fan and that game is one possible selling point for a 360 to me. Ninja Gaiden 2 is another. As amazing as Ninja Gaiden on XBOX is, it is scary to think of how good its sequel will be on the 360.
What's interesting about the above I just typed, is I'm still getting a Wii first. I am willing to pay $250 for it on launch day.

Some of games that Tecmo created it, it cannot coming on PS2 because technical limitation, hopefully, Tecmo would have deal to make confirm with both DOA 4 and DOA Xtreme 2 for goes on PS3. For right now, Tecmo hasn't check PS3's technical and hadn't got enough information. Xox 360 has plenty of popular games so enough, and give an even with PS3 and Wii.

I have admit that about 70% Americans own HDTV and keeping growing.
 
Sony's Grave Error: The $499 HDMI-Lacking PS3.
No HDMI, no HDCP. That equals no 1080p thanks to ICS. This equation spells disaster.
by Gerry Block
May 19, 2006 - Prior to Sony's pre-E3 media conference early last week, it was more or less impossible to bring up the future of the PlayStation 3 without launching into a debate on the subject of price point. After months, if not years, of rumors suggesting the console would not ship for less than a king's ransom, no journalist or fan could say a word about the PS3 without a careful mention that if Sony wasn't willing to sell the system at huge loss, the console was doomed. Last week at their pre-E3 media-conference, Sony finally dropped the proverbial bomb, announcing two PS3 models, differentiated by $100 in price but potentially far more in capabilities.



In word, Sony downplayed the disparity between the $499 and $599 PS3 versions, citing the primary difference between the consoles at the time of the announcement as the difference in built-in hard drive space, namely 20 GB for the low-end and 60 GB for the high-end. Within minutes, however, journalists homed in on a variety of factors that placed the lower-end PS3 into contention for the dreaded "tard-box" classification of crippled-console.

Not only does the $499 PS3 lack built-in support for Wi-Fi broadband and SD and Compact Flash memory cards, but rather shockingly, the machine does not possess HDMI output. Rumors spread like wild fire that the $499 machine was also missing Bluetooth support for wireless controllers, spreading fury among fans and detractors alike.


A week after the announcement, Sony representatives have gone on record with the press, officially clarifying that the $499 console will support Bluetooth and that Wi-Fi adapters and flash-memory reader add-ons will be made available for the console. The hard-drive will also be upgradeable, as Phil Harrison, long time SCEA heavyweight, told GI.biz, "You can upgrade to whatever size of drive you like. You can put in any drive that you like—it is a computer, after all."

Calming though such statements are, what may prove truly calamitous for the budget-model PS3 is its lack of support for HDMI. On the surface, the lack of such a feature does not spell immediate disaster, as HDMI is merely a high-end video-cable that couples digital image signals with digital sound, essentially equivalent to a DVI and optical audio connection combination. The $499 PS3 model will be able to transmit games in full 1080p High-Definition via component cables without a problem, and far more surround sound receiver-amplifiers support optical-audio than HDMI.

Where the pain will set in, however, is when Blu-ray movies begin making use of HDCP/AACS copy-protection and the infamous "Image-Constraint-Token" (ICP). At the demand of the major Hollywood studios, both HD-DVD and Blu-ray standards have been developed to support this next-generation copy-protection scheme that protects Hi-Def movies from piracy and illegal digital distribution. While AACS is more or less innocuous from the standpoint of a general consumer, HDCP is destined to rain frustration and disappointment upon the masses, or at least those who purchase the $499 PS3 package.

The HDCP system is the means by which each piece of hardware involved in transmitting a High-Def movie signal, from player, to wire, to amplifier, to HDTV or computer monitor, checks for support and protection from hacking and piracy before passing the signal along the chain. Each device must have a specially programmed HDCP chip, and any link in the chain that lacks such protection will cause the entire system to fail, causing movies encoded in 1080p Hi-Def to down-convert to 540p, by means of what is known as the "Image Constraint Token" capability of AACS/HDCP copy-protection scheme.

The crux of the $499 PlayStation 3's problem is the fact that HDCP copy-protection only supports digital connections, namely HDMI. Cutting straight to the chase, the $499 PS3 will not be able to play Blu-ray movies in 1080p High-Definition the moment Blu-ray DVDs begin implementing ICP. Though most studios have agreed to a one or two year grace period in which the Image Constraint Token will not be implemented while American consumers make the switch to next-gen DVD and purchase HDCP-ready HDTVs and PCs, barring a massive retreat on the part of the Hollywood studios, HDCP and ICP are the future of Hi-Def movies, and the $499 PS3 will not be invited to the party.


Sony's thought process in crippling the $499 PS3 in this respect is positively dumbfounding. The general populace has not been educated in the intricacies of HDCP / AACS copy-protection, and a variety of electronics manufacturers are presently involved in class-action law-suits filed by consumers after the companies erroneously claimed support for the new format when their products were, in fact, incompatible (most notably ATI and NVIDIA at this point in time). Legions of buyers will purchase the $499 PS3 version, believing that it represents an excellent value as both a next-gen DVD player and game console, only to discover that its Blu-ray capabilities are stripped a year or two into its lifecycle.

At the least, the decision to remove HDMI support from the $499 PS3 is a badly designed means of protecting the market for the higher-end stand-alone Blu-ray players that Sony and its partners plan to launch, beginning with the $999 Samsung BD-P1000 that will hit the streets on June 25. At worst, Sony is committing a massive breach of consumer trust if it markets both the $499 and $599 PlayStation 3 consoles as Blu-ray movie players and does not seek to educate buyers on the differences between them. Considering that, thus far, the most direct communication between manufacturers and consumers on the topic of HDCP support has been, at best, obfuscation, and at worst out-right lies, the chances that Sony aims to do the right thing in this regard are low.


There's still a chance that things might be set right. The Playstation 3's architecture has thus far been somewhat amorphous, as there has been word that the motion-sensing capabilities of the PS3 controller were added only weeks before E3, which suggests the possibility that Sony could recant under pressure and add HDMI output to the $499 console. It's also possible the word has gone out among electronics manufacturers that Hollywood is backing off demands for HDCP and ICS, which might explain why Microsoft thinks it can get away with producing a USB-based HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360, a console that most certainly does not support HDCP natively (the standard wasn't finalized until the late first quarter of 2006) and presently does not even have wires capable of transmitting a digital signal (DVI or HDMI). Such a change of heart would be rather uncharacteristic of the movie industry, however, despite the fact that the algorithms that serve as the basis of HDCP-protection are fundamentally flawed and will be likely hacked and broken within a year of their implementation.

Until Sony announces a $499 PS3 design change, we at IGN Gear can, in good faith, only recommend that interested buyers steer clear of the lower-priced PS3 model or make the purchase fully aware that they may in future suffer severe repercussions when it comes to Blu-ray movie playback -- one of the key features that puts the PS3's price point above competing systems. 540p, the resolution that the Image Constraint Token will down-convert 1080p movies to in non-HDCP systems, is by no stretch of the imagination Hi-Def, and will, without major changes in PS3 design or studio policy, be the future of Blu-ray playback on the $499 PS3. Sony must either make this truth clear to buyers or make a hardware alteration. Any other response should be counted as negligent and anti-consumer, grave mistakes for a company that is risking so much on the PS3 and Blu-ray's success.
 
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