Transgenders faced discrimination in Seattle, Washington. :(

PuyoPiyo said:
Obsiviously you didn't read the link I gave to you. That link was not saying that transgender has mental illness.
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time; Whether or not transgender is a myth or fact is completely irrelevant to the actual discussion I don't see how you can't come to terms with that. My point remains valid because it covers both scenarios and wasn't tailored to any specific spectrum.


netrox- Just because you don't have a problem with it doesn't mean others won't. Your opinion does not reflect the public. For every 1 person that is fine with it there's going to be 2 who are not. I'm entitled my opinion and I think it's destructive to the fabrics and ideals of society. It's a double edged blade that will ultimately rend itself into more problems than it solves. It's taking priory for GLBT's wants over public wants; forcing people to get used to the idea of co-ed bathrooms.


MetroGuy03 - My ex was one and only admited to it after a year apart from her. Funny how you tell me to hold my judgement because you assume I have no experince with them and jump to conclusions. Well dude, you just jumped to a conclusion. I've posted somewhere complaining about how it bugged me; If I didn't (because sometimes I post things then delete them and not post after thinking on them solely because some people here just annoy me and don't really have a broad range of intelligence to grasp what I'm discussing sometimes not to mention a lot of people misunderstand me as well.) well then shit that ruins the crediablity of my point because of lacking evidence; but the fact remains that it did happen in reality and you'll just have to go on my good word for it.
 
Dark-Half said:
MetroGuy03 - My ex was one and only admited to it after a year apart from her. Funny how you tell me to hold my judgement because you assume I have no experince with them and jump to conclusions. Well dude, you just jumped to a conclusion. I've posted somewhere complaining about how it bugged me; If I didn't (because sometimes I post things then delete them and not post after thinking on them solely because some people here just annoy me and don't really have a broad range of intelligence to grasp what I'm discussing sometimes not to mention a lot of people misunderstand me as well.) well then shit that ruins the crediablity of my point because of lacking evidence; but the fact remains that it did happen in reality and you'll just have to go on my good word for it.
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I don't think I jump to the conclusion at all. First of all, you didn't state anything related to your experiences at the first place. You ONLY stated your opinions which is obvious you never met one before in your life or unwilling to understand them first before you judge. That is why some people here like me QUESTION you about your judgment against transgenders. By the way, you didn't really read my whole post aren't you?
 
I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.
 
Dark-Half said:
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time; Whether or not transgender is a myth or fact is completely irrelevant to the actual discussion I don't see how you can't come to terms with that. My point remains valid because it covers both scenarios and wasn't tailored to any specific spectrum.
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Dark-Half said:
I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.
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*sigh* I don't think you really read the link. I'd rather not discussion with someone who refuse to really research about transgender but blahhing how irrelevant transgender are. End of discussion.
 
Dark-Half said:
Look, I really don't care wheither it's true or not (I think its a mental disorder but that's irrelevant to the actual discussion.) - the point is that they are not physically men so they BROKE a law. Women are NOT meant to go into the mens room, it doesn't matter what they think they are because their physique contradicts it. If it mattered to them so much as to what fucking bathroom they could enter they should just get a sex change.

Because there's no federal law that decidates where transgenders supposta take a leak; people are forced to enforce the pre-existing laws. Got tits, go in womens. Got balls, go in mens. No if's and or buts. I don't see how it matters so much where they have to take a fucking piss, dude.

I personally would feel really uncomfortable if a chick was taking a piss standing next to me just because she mentally thinks she's a guy. I hope you realize I'm not the only guy who would feel this way -- you're basically saying all people who are uncomfortable with the idea should be forced to accomodate. Fuck that.

Edit- the only solution i can think up is more refined porta-potties. Far more private for everyone and you don't have to listen to the guy in the next stall take a huge shit. You're lookin at a jail-cell sized room with a door and sink. They got a lot of these at the EN&T I go to when I have appointments with my audie.
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If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!! :pissed:

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!
 
WhiteWolves64 said:
If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!! :pissed:

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!
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Yupp I do peek at other men's penis while peeing when I was child. You are very right, people that are homophobia or transphobia are just scare of being open-minded.

And don't be sorry, you have right to express yourself :)
 
Dark-Half said:
I'm trying to be nice about this when you're really getting on my nerves. The only reason you two are dragging this on is because you don't like my opinion and views, tough shit. Deal with it. It's hard knock logic and I just explained exactly why it happened to the person and posted my opinion on trans. My opinion on transgenders is completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say this? I don't even need to write out my experinces with them just to validate an opinion. My ex has nothing to do with this, you claimed I never met one. I rebuked your statement because I have dated one for 2 years and have been friends afterwards. Let it go already and stop trying to play hero, you're not going to change my opinion.
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That is your problem. I am not doing this just because I don't like your opinion or view. I am doing this to educate you and make sure you understand what transgenders are dealing with lately. If you have an issues with transgenders then you're not true friend to your ex. Your ex doesn't need to deal with people like you. By the way, I noticed that you kept changing your words recently. I don't think you're really honest here at all. Again, that is your problem period.
 
WhiteWolves64 said:
If you don't feel comfortable with chick goes to men's bathroom... BUT what about Transmen who looks like a guy after surgery and you won't be able to tell which guy goes to men's bathroom... Do you look at guy's penis to see if it's been altered or not? If you do then you are GAY in your mind!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LUCK with your opinion! Be open mind with everyone! Stop being closed mind on Transgendered people! If you don't like it then SCRAM and Get LOST!!!!!!! :pissed:

Sorry gotta vent my chest with Dark-halfwit who does not grasp the concept what transgendered about!
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Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.
 
EvilGurl666 said:
Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.
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How about if I say, why not you just be happy with your hair? No need cuts, no need dye, no need shampoo, no need etc etc etc? Sounds mockish, ne?
 
EvilGurl666 said:
Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.
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I have seen guys dressed like women come in the bathroom. Didnt bother me cuz they didnt bother me. If they came in the bathroom looking under occupied stalls, then I know something is wrong.

I would love to stroll into the men's bathroom (a clean one, of course) or a men's locker room but that would make me a sexual stalker! :giggle:
 
MetroGuy03 said:
SEATTLE -- Two transgender men say they're the victims of discrimination after they were kicked out of a downtown mall for allegedly using the wrong restroom.

Trouble began when Simon Adriane and Sean Brochin needed to use the bathroom after watching a movie at Pacific Place mall in downtown Seattle.

Adriane and Brochin, who were both born female but consider themselves male, entered the men's bathroom, which upset a man in teh bathroom.

But the mall claims the men were simply disruptive.

"He was screaming 'you're a woman, you can't be in here!'" said Adriane.

"The first thing I thought is 'oh no, not again.' Because it happened many times in my life," Brochin said.

Adriane tried calming the man.

"I said I'm not a girl, I'm just here to pee," he said.

But the customer called security.

"Security was banging on the door and ordered us to get out," Adriane said.

The security guard escorted the pair out of the bathroom and out of the mall.

According to the state Human Rights Commission, transgenders are protected and have the right to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

But the commission recommends they use the unisex or family restroom to avoid wrestling with gender issues. In this case, Adriane and Brochin said it was occupied.

The two plan to file a formal discrimination complaint against the mall, with the state and the city. Their actions could be a crucial test of the state's year-old gay rights law.

"We've never had this kind of experience and we are going to revisit some of our procedures," said mall spokesperson Lynn Beck.

Beck says it could mean some retraining of security.

"I was scared, angry and humiliated," Brochin said.

Brochin said he typically doesn't like to talk about his personal details, but said he outed himself to his boss on Friday so that he can speak out and raise awareness of the issue.

The restroom incident sparked a protest at the mall's bathroom. Dozens of people who are in the city attending the Gender Odyssey Conference staged what they called a "pee-in."

Transgender men outraged over bathroom incident | KOMO-TV - Seattle, Washington | News
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The article doesn't mention it but are they legally male?
 
Unisex = Peace

Before renovations, we had two bathrooms: one for the girls; one for the boys. The women's bathroom would have a line. The men's bathroom was always nasty.

After renovations (we'd merged two bathrooms into one unisex bathroom with four tiled stalls with full doors), the bathrooms were cleaner and rarely a line at all.

It's time for unisex bathrooms to be standard. There really is no valid reason for the separation in the first place.
 
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Wokamuka said:
Before renovations, we had two bathrooms: one for the girls; one for the boys. The women's bathroom would have a line. The men's bathroom was always nasty.

After renovations (we'd merged two bathrooms into one unisex bathroom with four tiled stalls with full doors), the bathrooms were cleaner and rarely ever a line at all.

It's time for unisex bathrooms to be standard. There really is no valid reason for the separation in the first place.
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That's interesting and I am all for new ideas! :)
 
Wokamuka said:
Before renovations, we had two bathrooms: one for the girls; one for the boys. The women's bathroom would have a line. The men's bathroom was always nasty.

After renovations (we'd merged two bathrooms into one unisex bathroom with four tiled stalls with full doors), the bathrooms were cleaner and rarely a line at all.

It's time for unisex bathrooms to be standard. There really is no valid reason for the separation in the first place.
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Yeah unisex bathroom are more freedom compare to girl/boy bathrooms.
 
EvilGurl666 said:
Jeez! COME ON! I can tell if somebody used to be a guy but dresses like a lady by the shape of their body, and face. Its not just based on their gential areas. Thats the most sickin' thing I've heard. I also agree on everything Darkhalf has said here. Why can't people be happy with their bodies, the ones they were born with? I would be screaming bloody murder if I saw a guy in the women's bathroom. It would seems like to me the guy is some rapist or somesort if hes in the ladies bathroom.
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You DON'T know who we (me and my wife) are and most of members knew who we are.... We both are TRANSGENDERED Married Couple.... I am legally Male and my wife is Legally Female!!!!!!!!! What's your problem? We did not have any problems going to bathrooms as i go to men's restroom and my wife goes to women bathroom - no one scream at us as being different from them.
 
shel90 said:
I would love to stroll into the men's bathroom (a clean one, of course) or a men's locker room but that would make me a sexual stalker! :giggle:
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:giggle:...


(long time ago)_ One night ... My two girlfriends and I were hide in large closet in bathroom ( @friend's house party) We watched Teenage Boy enter bathroom and pee pee :eek: We were so giggle and wrestle in closet!!! :laugh2: SH SH :whistle:
 
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What about Butch Lesbian walk in woman's bathroom and *scream* their heads off ??
What about Femme Gay walk in man's bathroom and have *fight* with them ??

Need unisex room for anyone who is easy idenity either ones.
 
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