Toddlers banned from making their own gestures as they sing Twinkle Twinkle 'in case

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Toddlers singing Twinkle Twinkle banned from making gestures 'in case it offends deaf people' | Mail Online

Generations of children have grown up singing along and performing actions to the nursery rhyme favourite Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
But one toddler group has been told not to make the twinkling ‘star’ sign with their hands for fear it could offend the deaf.

Parents were told that the sign – which resembles a diamond shape when made with forefingers and thumbs – is used in official sign language to represent female genitalia.

The decision was made after staff attended a sign language course and were made aware that the one they were using had potential to cause offence.

However there are currently no deaf children or parents who attend the Sure Start toddler group, in Acomb, North Yorkshire.

Yesterday mothers criticised the ‘politically correct’ decision. One said: ‘These are innocent little children just making a sign to show a star. No one would give it a second thought.’

Another added: ‘It is good that kids are aware of other people’s methods of communication but has anyone actually asked a deaf person if they take offence to it?’

John Midgley, co-founder of the Campaign Against Political Correctness, said the teachers needed to ‘grow up’.

He added: ‘This is a ridiculous example of political correctness where adults are trying to put their views into the minds of children who would not have known there was anything wrong with what they are doing.’

Jill Hodges, assistant director of education, children and young people’s services at the City of York Council, which runs the group, insisted it was ‘a sensible decision taken to prevent deaf children or deaf parents being offended’.

She said it was made after staff at the Sure Start group returned from a course on children’s sign language, Makaton, at which they were told the ‘star’ gesture they had been using was similar to the sign used for female genitalia in British Sign Language.

As a consequence, Mrs Hodges said, staff realised the issue was sensitive and decided to ask parents to start using the Makaton symbol for a twinkling star – the opening and closing of a fist – instead.

‘Parents have not been banned from using the other sign and City of York Council does not have a policy over this matter,’ she added.

The sign for female genitalia is an inverted diamond held in front of the crotch. During the rhyme, children hold their hands high in an upright diamond.

Signing experts said those who use Makaton or British Sign Language would not misinterpret the meaning because it depended on context.

Lynn Delfosse, of the charity Action on Hearing Loss, said: ‘The signs alone can have more than one meaning, as with any language, and need to be contextualised in terms of grammar and of the situation in which they are used.’
 
Political correctness....how it paralyzes people into submission with fear thinking they might offend somebody out there. Just don't sign using the manual alphabet "V" for number 2 or for "victory" for you might offend a Brit in the U.S.! Gassspp!
 
Toddlers singing Twinkle Twinkle banned from making gestures 'in case it offends deaf people' | Mail Online

Generations of children have grown up singing along and performing actions to the nursery rhyme favourite Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
But one toddler group has been told not to make the twinkling ‘star’ sign with their hands for fear it could offend the deaf.

Parents were told that the sign – which resembles a diamond shape when made with forefingers and thumbs – is used in official sign language to represent female genitalia.

The decision was made after staff attended a sign language course and were made aware that the one they were using had potential to cause offence.

However there are currently no deaf children or parents who attend the Sure Start toddler group, in Acomb, North Yorkshire.

Yesterday mothers criticised the ‘politically correct’ decision. One said: ‘These are innocent little children just making a sign to show a star. No one would give it a second thought.’

Another added: ‘It is good that kids are aware of other people’s methods of communication but has anyone actually asked a deaf person if they take offence to it?’

John Midgley, co-founder of the Campaign Against Political Correctness, said the teachers needed to ‘grow up’.

He added: ‘This is a ridiculous example of political correctness where adults are trying to put their views into the minds of children who would not have known there was anything wrong with what they are doing.’

Jill Hodges, assistant director of education, children and young people’s services at the City of York Council, which runs the group, insisted it was ‘a sensible decision taken to prevent deaf children or deaf parents being offended’.

She said it was made after staff at the Sure Start group returned from a course on children’s sign language, Makaton, at which they were told the ‘star’ gesture they had been using was similar to the sign used for female genitalia in British Sign Language.

As a consequence, Mrs Hodges said, staff realised the issue was sensitive and decided to ask parents to start using the Makaton symbol for a twinkling star – the opening and closing of a fist – instead.

‘Parents have not been banned from using the other sign and City of York Council does not have a policy over this matter,’ she added.

The sign for female genitalia is an inverted diamond held in front of the crotch. During the rhyme, children hold their hands high in an upright diamond.

Signing experts said those who use Makaton or British Sign Language would not misinterpret the meaning because it depended on context.

Lynn Delfosse, of the charity Action on Hearing Loss, said: ‘The signs alone can have more than one meaning, as with any language, and need to be contextualised in terms of grammar and of the situation in which they are used.’

Maybe Michelle Obama was singing "Twinkle, Twinkle" when they took the pic that Shel posted last week!:lol

But seriously...deaf people are not going to be offended at a toddler using a gesture. Get real. They make it sound as if deaf people have no sense what so ever. As usual, it is the hearing people trying to be Oh! so PC and deciding what will or will not offend the deaf.
 
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do you know how to do twinkle twinkle sign? it's certainly not a V-sign.

It's equivalent. Just as Churchill's sign is equivalent to another in BSL.

They use that one from the twinkling preschoolers for some spider song my preschool granddaughter learned.
I actually did find in embarasssing.
 
It's equivalent. Just as Churchill's sign is equivalent to another in BSL.

They use that one from the twinkling preschoolers for some spider song my preschool granddaughter learned.
I actually did find in embarasssing.

Yep. Itsy Bitsy Spider.
 
It's equivalent. Just as Churchill's sign is equivalent to another in BSL.

They use that one from the twinkling preschoolers for some spider song my preschool granddaughter learned.
I actually did find in embarasssing.

Itsy bitsy spider?
 
Itsy bitsy spider?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQZNBkdxCMY]The Eensey Weensey Spider - Super Simple Songs - YouTube[/ame]

Shocking...utterly shocking!!

More offensive signs here!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWbjoOOly4&cc=1]Children's Songs & Handplay : How to Do Itsy Bitsy Spider - YouTube[/ame]

Ok. Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming, TXgolfer.
 
Pathetic and sad. Who let the dogs out? They always run in a pack.
 
Your point? You are referring to gestures, not signs. And gestures are very culture bound. I think everyone knows that. With, perhaps, you as the exception.

Koko, if you go into a jackbooted homophobic bar Germany and give them a-ok that is used in the USA, I think your reception will be rather unpleasant at best.
 
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