Think Gas is Expensive?

the only problem i see with that, is you dont "need" those things.

but we live in a society where we "need" gas because we have become dependant on things\locations that are too far to walk or ride a bike.

those can be avoided, gas can not
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't use Pepto Bismol or Whiteout by the gallon.
 
Hang on. Remember me talking about hydrogen fuel? Well it's here now. Already! Google "Hydrogen Cell". You will be amazed!
 
Codger said:
Hang on. Remember me talking about hydrogen fuel? Well it's here now. Already! Google "Hydrogen Cell". You will be amazed!
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Sure sounds like a great concept to utilize, although, I wonder if this method is a bit more dangerous to get around on? Mind filling me in on that? ;)
 
Yeah, gas in Germany goes expensive now.

I don´t own gas in my house but oil. ;)
 
So far US military is now offically first customer of hydrogen fuel pu truck! Hope this proves feasible, thus will enable my area economy boom!
I won't whine about current price on gasoline, glad USA still one of cheapest country to buy gas comparing to other countries!

Codger said:
Hang on. Remember me talking about hydrogen fuel? Well it's here now. Already! Google "Hydrogen Cell". You will be amazed!
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Heard of Willie Nelsons 'bio-diesel' thats far better than petroleum diesel fuel. Lots of the nasty stuff that diesel engines spit out dont even come out of diesel engines that uses the banana yellow colored bio-diesel.

http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/

Not a bad innovation by someone who was caught with a giant truck of marijuana.

Richard
 
Reprint from http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5D4C9138-B072-4D7D-88B8-C2CC801050D3

Jane Flasch (Rochester, NY) 04/07/05 - Disco wasn't the only thing invented in the 1970. Washington came up with something equally interesting to deal with the shortage of gas.

In 1973, Paul Marone pumped gas at the station he now owns.

He said, “We ran out a number of times. We couldn't get enough fuel to last the entire month!"

He remembers the lines and the rules. Stations flew green flags indicating they had gas to sell. Those with license plates ending in an odd number could only buy Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Even numbered plate owners could buy on the other days.

In those days, gas was so precious thieves did not rob cars for their stereos, (not because they were 8-tracks, either) they went for the gasoline. To prevent thieves from siphoning off gas, a new demand arose for locking gas caps.

In 1973, gas prices in Rochester peaked at 60 cents per gallon. That’s about $2.65 today, adjusting for inflation-- more than today's real price of $2.35.

Then, the average American car got almost 12 miles to the gallon. Thanks to today’s gas guzzling SUV's, in 2005, the average is 17 miles per gallon.

Yet there is an important distinction. Officials say gas supplies aren't an issue…yet. If you can afford it, you can have it. That wasn't the case in the 1970s.

In 1973, the crisis was sparked when 11 Arab oil producers cut back production in response to US policies supporting Israel. That oil embargo continued off and on through 1979
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I have been gas price watcher for the last 33 years, and know how they go up and down too well. That is why it isn't really concern for me to see soaring gas price at this time. Trust me, usually right before easter, the gas price start to climb! It has been like that for YEARS! Do you know why they start to increase? Simple... That is because summer is right around the corner, thus oil companies knew there will be more demand for gas, so therefore increase the gas price. The price WILL drop a little after Memorial day then go up before 4th of July and drop a bit and go up one more time before Labor day, then drop again for the winter. Its really old cycle, as per law of supply and demand. So, if you watch them closely you will see the trends.
 
Roadrunner said:
Sure sounds like a great concept to utilize, although, I wonder if this method is a bit more dangerous to get around on? Mind filling me in on that? ;)
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http://www.h2fc.com/news.html
Rüsselsheim/Monte Carlo -- The HydroGen3 took first place in the fuel cell class at the "Rallye Monte Carlo Fuel Cell and Hybrid". In the overall standings the hydrogen-powered Opel Zafira was third, following two hybrid cars. A total of 13 vehicles started the Rallye, five of which were powered by fuel cells.

The fuel cell Zafira left the grid at 9.09 a.m. on Saturday morning (April 2) in Lugano, Switzerland and reached the finish line in Monte Carlo, Monaco after covering 417 kilometers within the target time at 16.44 p.m. The demanding route had three legs and passed through Switzerland, Italy and France before ending in the principality. Average speed was around 80 km/h, which is quite impressive considering all the cities driven trough and serpentines along the way. At the wheel of the hydrogen-powered Zafira was Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Formula One World Championship runner-up in 1997, three-time Formula One Grand Prix winner and the current Opel works team driver in the German Touring Car Championship.

Rüsselsheim/Monte Carlo -- The HydroGen3 took first place in the fuel cell class at the "Rallye Monte Carlo Fuel Cell and Hybrid". In the overall standings the hydrogen-powered Opel Zafira was third, following two hybrid cars. A total of 13 vehicles started the Rallye, five of which were powered by fuel cells.

The fuel cell Zafira left the grid at 9.09 a.m. on Saturday morning (April 2) in Lugano, Switzerland and reached the finish line in Monte Carlo, Monaco after covering 417 kilometers within the target time at 16.44 p.m. The demanding route had three legs and passed through Switzerland, Italy and France before ending in the principality. Average speed was around 80 km/h, which is quite impressive considering all the cities driven trough and serpentines along the way. At the wheel of the hydrogen-powered Zafira was Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Formula One World Championship runner-up in 1997, three-time Formula One Grand Prix winner and the current Opel works team driver in the German Touring Car Championship.


Safety Features
Pure hydrogen is highly flammable and produces a great deal of energy when it reacts with oxygen, so safety is of primary importance in the design of any hydrogen-powered vehicle. The H2R's fuel tank is vacuum-insulated and double-walled, and it's equipped with three active safety valves.

To prevent possible leaks in the jacket around the fuel tank, which helps maintain the liquid hydrogen at a sufficiently low temperature (hydrogen takes its liquid form at -423F/-253C), the H2R features a double-redundant safety system: If the pressure within the tank ever exceeds 5 bar, two additional safety valves open up immediately. As an additional safety precaution, the combustion chambers are cooled by air before the hydrogen/air mixture flows into the cylinders to ensure that it won't ignite in an uncontrolled manner.

Refueling the H2R
Aside from the notable scarcity of hydrogen filling stations, refueling a hydrogen-powered vehicle requires no more effort than refueling a gasoline-powered one.

Hydrogen is added to the H2R's tank at a mobile hydrogen filling station through a manual tank coupling. Because of an interesting safety setup, it is impossible for hydrogen gas to leak into the air during the refueling process. In a liquid-hydrogen-powered BMW, the hydrogen left in the tank has returned to a gaseous state by the time the driver needs more fuel. This gaseous hydrogen exerts a higher pressure inside the tank. At the refueling station, when super-cold liquid hydrogen is pumped into the tank, the gaseous hydrogen already there condenses. The condensation of the gaseous hydrogen reduces the partial pressure inside the tank, so no hydrogen escapes while the tank is being filled.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bmw-h2r3.htm
 
Hmmmm, hydrogen fuel sounds good on paper, but when I talk with my engineer friends, they all scoff and hoot at the idea. For one thing, the whole infrastructure of the country would need to be changed, and that takes decades, and the oil companies are not about to let their sugarbaby be replaced, and hydrogen energy requires an ENORMOUS amount of power.
I dunno though. I better start studying this.
And yeah, I have often heard of Willie Nelson's vehicle smelling like french fries, dang, lol.
 
http://www.hydrogen.org/Knowledge/Vdi-bz95.html

While a lot of work is being conducted on passenger vehicles, it looks like the first real applications will be in public transit. Amazing stuff. I tried to find the stuff from the recent international trials in Australia, a good info source. Maybe you can find it.
 
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