The ALCU v.s. U.S. Marine Corps and Prayer......

[Heath]

What's wrong with this picture?



If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying.

This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the Birthday of the Corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."

When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Marine Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France .

Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America . May God Bless America , One Nation Under GOD!


What's wrong with the picture? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

GOD BLESS YOU FOR
PASSING IT ON!

I am sorry but I am not breaking this one....Let us pray





Prayer chain for our Military...please don't break it


Please send this on after a short prayer.
Prayer for our soldiers..please don't break it

Prayer
"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they
protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they
perform for us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our
Lord and Savior. Amen."

Prayer Request: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a
prayer for our troops around the world.

There is nothing attached.... .. Just send this to all the
people in your address book. Do not let it stop with you, please....
Of all the gifts you could give a Marine , US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & others
deployed in harm's way,

Prayer is the very best one

 

[hottiedeafboi]

My country 'tis of thee Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I see; Land where my fathers died, Land of the pilgrims' pride, From every mountainside Let freedom ring! Our fathers' God, to thee, Author of liberty, To thee we sing; Long may our land be bright With freedom's holy light; Protect us by they might, Great God our King!.......... Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the LordG He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on. Glory glory hallelujah! Glory! Glory hallelujah! Glory! Glory Hallelujah! Our God is marching on. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

[netrox]

Sorry, I'm on ACLU's side. It is WRONG to force them to pray. You may say, "But we're not forcing them..." but if one person decides not to pray, he will be ostrachized and that is unacceptable. You pray on your OWN terms, not on a collective term.

 

[SimpleMan]

They are not being forced to pray. If you can't honor the creed of the Marines (Honor, God, Country), then you shouldnt join them. My father, my sister and her husband all served the US Marines proudly and all are agnostic. A belief in God does not necessarily have anything to do with religion. I am agnostic as well and have no problem praying, but I do have problem with people trying to force their religions or beliefs down my throat, people like the ACLU. This country was founded on a belief in God, if you don't believe then either you should go somewhere else, or not make waves for those that do.

"Leftist cowards do not understand HONOR, GOD, COUNTRY - Marines DO!"-(don't remember where this was from)

"One nation, under God, with Liberty, and Justice for all."-obviously from the Pledge of Allegience

Live and let live.

 

[Heath]

"Leftist cowards do not understand HONOR, GOD, COUNTRY - Marines DO!"-(don't remember where this was from)

I think this quote was from Lt. Gen. " Chesty Puller

"Chesty" Puller became more than a hero: he was an American Legend. His gruff, give 'em hell attitude was admired throughout the Marine Corps. His bravery and his nickname, were known to the millions of Americans on the home front. He was a man's man, a Marine' s Marine.

Semper Fi ! http://www.gnt.net/~jrube/chestpul.htm

 

[guido]

God bless the ACLU.

 

[netrox]

but I do have problem with people trying to force their religions or beliefs down my throat, people like the ACLU.

You are SOOOO wrong. ACLU is not forcing you with anything. You have to show me proof that ACLU is trying to stop you from praying. You'll find none. ACLU is objecting to the fact that Marines were subconsciously forced to pray if they don't want to pray. You clearly don't understand the power of suggestion.

Ulysses S. Grant says it clearly: "Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate."

 

[hottiedeafboi]

ACLU respect different religion except christianity and falsify christianity and no, they haven't been forced and neither deist or athiest in our forefather time haven't been forced but joined together in prayer, bec God is highly revere. Some non christians try every way to condemn christianity and heard in the news how people in this generations pervert the idea what this nation is, today ameriican history has change lately, my mom told me about my niece how american history has changed and perverted the reality meaning of this country, which I'm not surprise. If you are in the islam country, you will be forced to pray or you ll be executed. There are high rating society believe in God than they don't. Respect for those who stand. There are some athiest in the military, and what a lot of them say, I respect and have NOT force. That's being going on since this nation begins. ACLU are more perverted American way. Sorry, that's what I see fit. Seeing all the anger from them and many are fighting back what this country stands for.

 

[Heath]

You are SOOOO wrong. ACLU is not forcing you with anything. You have to show me proof that ACLU is trying to stop you from praying. You'll find none. ACLU is objecting to the fact that Marines were subconsciously forced to pray if they don't want to pray. You clearly don't understand the power of suggestion.

Ulysses S. Grant says it clearly: "Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate."

I had forgotten about that quote the Yankee General said but I do not agree that the church and the state should be seperated forever. This is the source of all our problems. Look at the state of our school education system today. The quality of our education has deterioated because we do not invitie the Spirit of God into our classroom to really help us learn in school the solid education skills that we need to succeed.

It used to be that we said a brief prayer then just focused on the solid educational skills, said the Pledge of the Allegiance then went on with our school day.

It is tragical that today's generation will not have this quality opporounity to have what we had in our generation which was really good education, hard work ethics, loyalty to our country and obeying God, stopping moral decay in all corners of our American society.

 

[netrox]

This is the source of all our problems. Look at the state of our school education system today. The quality of our education has deterioated because we do not invitie the Spirit of God into our classroom to really help us learn in school the solid education skills that we need to succeed.

It is tragical that today's generation will not have this quality opporounity to have what we had in our generation which was really good education, hard work ethics, loyalty to our country and obeying God, stopping moral decay in all corners of our American society.

Once again, you're imaging things that never existed.

Our morals have improved DRAMATICALLY since the 1950's (ironically, that's when "God" mottos were introduced!). We gave blacks and women the right to vote. We got rid of slavery. We start to respect more diverse populations including the gays.

During the Reagan conservative era, the crime rate was extremely high. The crime rate dropped dramatically during the Clinton era and we had surplus. That is a FACT, not an opinion. The FBI statistics will tell you that.

Our education got much better since the evolution theory was introduced. If our educatoin were controlled by Creationists, we'd be in serious trouble. Creationists are cretins that have no faint idea of how evolution works and they have NO right to push their RELIGIOUS beliefs into our public education.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

govrnmnt struggled since education is down in the drain since prvt school and homeschool grade avg so high than public school and problem in school is gone so bad since 60s and crime is see saw not based on gvntmnt but based on society. That's how things happen. Mom times for schools rules,, no gums, todays rule, no gun, old days, not throw papers, today, don't throw knife as compare, agaist rules for small things in the old days as today is out of control and violence and beyond imagine.

 

[Heath]

Once again, you're imaging things that never existed.

Our morals have improved DRAMATICALLY since the 1950's (ironically, that's when "God" mottos were introduced!). We gave blacks and women the right to vote. We got rid of slavery. We start to respect more diverse populations including the gays.

During the Reagan conservative era, the crime rate was extremely high. The crime rate dropped dramatically during the Clinton era and we had surplus. That is a FACT, not an opinion. The FBI statistics will tell you that.

Our education got much better since the evolution theory was introduced. If our educatoin were controlled by Creationists, we'd be in serious trouble. Creationists are cretins that have no faint idea of how evolution works and they have NO right to push their RELIGIOUS beliefs into our public education.

Not my imagination , Your imagination ......

We have always had God in our American history.

Let me ask you a question how are our public and private schools doing today now that there are desegreated , there are gang shootings, rapes , sodomization, drug dealings, murders going on in our schools. It is an epidemic in our schools. Our kids are not learning anything.

Were our schools always like this? No Way, Man !!!!! Our schools were much safer way back then !!!!!!

I went to the FBI crime rate index website and the facts do show a different picture than what you are saying. 1970 to 2000

Our education has gotten better ? Let's see are we beating the Japanese, another nations in the area of education like we were doing in the 1940's ?

 

[Teresh]

Let me ask you a question how are our public and private schools doing today now that there are desegreated , there are gang shootings, rapes , sodomization, drug dealings, murders going on in our schools. It is an epidemic in our schools. Our kids are not learning anything.

Kids weren't learning anything before, only a few were academically adept. The world hasn't changed, the only difference is the individual faces.

Were our schools always like this? No Way, Man !!!!! Our schools were much safer way back then !!!!!!

Oh really? What about the Bath School Disaster?

Our education has gotten better ? Let's see are we beating the Japanese, another nations in the area of education like we were doing in the 1940's ?

Everything is a tradeoff, Heath. If you want the US to have the most powerful military in the world, you have to find some way to pay for it. If you want social programs, you need to find some way to pay for them. Raising taxes often isn't the right answer, so the option instead is to cut something else.

Need I remind you that it has been conservatives that have underfunded the education system?

 

[netrox]

We have always had God in our American history.

Let me ask you a question how are our public and private schools doing today now that there are desegreated , there are gang shootings, rapes , sodomization, drug dealings, murders going on in our schools. It is an epidemic in our schools. Our kids are not learning anything.

Were our schools always like this? No Way, Man !!!!! Our schools were much safer way back then !!!!!!

When you talked about shootings at schools, you apparently forgot about the Bath shooting in 1920's and the killer complained that the schools were "godless." Sounds like something you would complain about today's schools!

Rape was grossly underreported because sex was rarely discussed. Mention, "sex" and you risk being shamed. Also, remember that sex with minors was perfectly legal - men could marry 13 years old girls. Today, that would be a felony.

Remember, when we solved old problems, new different problems show up. It's the way nature is but when we look at the whole history, we're DARN much better than ever!!!

Death statistics show that as years go by, we have reduced our risk of dying prematurely.

Our education has gotten better ? Let's see are we beating the Japanese, another nations in the area of education like we were doing in the 1940's ?

Japan is beating us because they don't believe in creationism. Japan is essentially an agnostic nation that emphasizes on ethics and secular education. Not only that, they live much longer than us. The crime rate is way MUCH lower as well. Japan is a role model for high ethics and educational excellency.

 

[netrox]

Crime in Japan vs USA in 1998:

Murders per 100,000.
United States 6.32
Japan 0.58

Rape per 100,000.
United States 34.20
Japan 1.48

Serious Assault per 100,000.
United States 357.94
Japan 15.40

Robbery/Violent Theft per 100,000.
United States 169.02
Japan 2.71


And guess what? Japan is NOT a Christian nation at all either.

 

[Heath]

When you talked about shootings at schools, you apparently forgot about the Bath shooting in 1920's and the killer complained that the schools were "godless." Sounds like something you would complain about today's schools!

I did not know about the Bath school shootings from the 1920's and There are many people complaining about the state of how our schools today are and we are not doing the shooting. I am very highly trained in rifles and pistols but I don't shoot up schools at all. People who do that have a very serious mental disorder to be shooting up schools. Even when I was a teenager, I grew up with guns and went deer hunting , things like that. I did not take my dad's rifle or my granddaddy's war battle rifle to school and shoot up the school when I had a disagreement. I just raised my hand then said what I said then there was a classroom back and forth discussion like normal school teenagers. Today this is seriously out of whack. We are seeing black kids kill another black kids at school over gang disputes and kids in general shooting up schools. What is up with that? It was not as frequent like today. This used to happen once in maybe 20-25 years. That was it. Now it is every month our schools have gotten so dangerous.

Rape was grossly underreported because sex was rarely discussed. Mention, "sex" and you risk being shamed. Also, remember that sex with minors was perfectly legal - men could marry 13 years old girls. Today, that would be a felony.

That was in a different time, where attidutes were different. Of course, I don't agree with that but 14 years old could get married legally back then. We did not have a teenage pregnancy epidemic like we do today. Sex should rightfully be shameful to be discussed if somebody has been sexually abused then there is help for that. Nobody wants to talk about something so personal as sexual abuse and rightfully so. That is intensely embarrassing.

Remember, when we solved old problems, new different problems show up. It's the way nature is but when we look at the whole history, we're DARN much better than ever!!!

We solved our problems much better way back then and today look how people in general are handling the situation at hand. It is not so good. Why are kids dying in our schools and our workplaces have become a war zone ? I mean, we did not have those things nor should we now.

This is all a result of breakdown in Biblical moral values in both public and private national American life.

Death statistics show that as years go by, we have reduced our risk of dying prematurely.

That is one thing we can rightfully be thankful about now that our birth giving techniques and technology to take care of new born babies have dramatically improved but we still have a long way to go with medical discoveries, improvements and fine tuning our medical techniques and technology that naturally goes with the times we are living in.

Japan is beating us because they don't believe in creationism. Japan is essentially an agnostic nation that emphasizes on ethics and secular education. Not only that, they live much longer than us. The crime rate is way MUCH lower as well. Japan is a role model for high ethics and educational excellency.

Not really, Japan is battling its own problems, and on the surface it seems like they are doing good but spiritually and in all areas, they really are not doing so well even though they have made positive strides. Japan does have a national religion. I forgot what it was but they do have a religion.

 

[netrox]

That was in a different time, where attidutes were different. Of course, I don't agree with that but 14 years old could get married legally back then. We did not have a teenage pregnancy epidemic like we do today. Sex should rightfully be shameful to be discussed if somebody has been sexually abused then there is help for that. Nobody wants to talk about something so personal as sexual abuse and rightfully so. That is intensely embarrassing.

No, teenager pregnancy was MORE common back then then today - the big difference is that back then, teen pregnancy was not a "problem."

So, you think if someone is raped, she shouldn't talk about it? If someone is sexually abused, s/he shouldn't talk about it? I would rather have children talk about it than to allow sexual abuse to endure.

Not really, Japan is battling its own problems, and on the surface it seems like they are doing good but spiritually and in all areas, they really are not doing so well even though they have made positive strides. Japan does have a national religion. I forgot what it was but they do have a religion.

Where did you get the info that Japan has a national religion? Japanese people don't believe in one major religion but rather adopt several ideas from different religons. They are still morally superior than us.

 

[Heath]

No, teenager pregnancy was MORE common back then then today - the big difference is that back then, teen pregnancy was not a "problem."

So, you think if someone is raped, she shouldn't talk about it? If someone is sexually abused, s/he shouldn't talk about it? I would rather have children talk about it than to allow sexual abuse to endure.

We did not have teenage girls in strollers like we see today. There were resources to help the kids and they did have doctors that helped with sexual abuse issues also their families helped them with that too. People said prayers for them too as well. Women will talk about their problems in private and that is what they did. Today, the medical industry really is not focused on helping people , just wants money, pushes you out of the door and tells you all kinds of horrible things that are wrong with you and there is no human soul in them compared to way back then.


Where did you get the info that Japan has a national religion? Japanese people don't believe in one major religion but rather adopt several ideas from different religons. They are still morally superior than us.

Japan from CIA world factbook :

Observe both Shinto and Buddhist 84%, other 16% (including Christian 0.7%)
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Japan is commiting suicide with the samauri sword morally superior or what they did with kazimkee pilots in WW II morally superior ? Their values are just as messed up as ours but Ours are much better if we obey God as a Christian nation.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

I wouldn't call this a christian nation. This is similar as Moses time. Its always will be "black sheep" in the midst to lead the confusions, bec still have egyptians side religion in the midst causes turmoil, but God still in the lead. In this nation is always has "black sheep". Hahaha this nation is much better than earlier years. Hahahaha. Its far worse. Yes, there are sporadic crimes in ealry years compare widespread of this generation. Many years we can have fireworks anywhere till since the late 70s to early 80s it becomes banned, bec how people not really celebrating this nation. But have to understand this, christians in other country more devout than at it is here and many are hidden bec fear of executions. But in this land, is like milk and honey. But when things being forbiidden in this country will be widespread worldwide, inspite of ur disbelief, judgement of God is coming. Noone knows the hour or days. Feel more like freedom when I was young, and notice the freedom is dying very slowly. We try to fight for this country for freedom, but war start here, which we try to fight for freedom which this nation stands for. Respect for those who pray and worship. We rE ONE NATION, UNDER GOD

 

[netrox]

We did not have teenage girls in strollers like we see today. There were resources to help the kids and they did have doctors that helped with sexual abuse issues also their families helped them with that too. People said prayers for them too as well. Women will talk about their problems in private and that is what they did. Today, the medical industry really is not focused on helping people , just wants money, pushes you out of the door and tells you all kinds of horrible things that are wrong with you and there is no human soul in them compared to way back then.

We had LOTS of teens strolling their babies in the 1950's - A LOT MORE!

Most cases of sexual abuse require counseling. Medications are effective when used with counseling. Contrary to what you say, medication for mental distress is NOT a new concept - it has been used for thousand of years. Pot, alcohol, khat, cocaine, nicotine, and various herbs were used to treat mental distress. Humans have always seeked mind altering drugs.

The CIA factbook merely states the religious persuasions of different populations, it does NOT say it's a national religion. The majority of Americans are Christians but it doesn't make it a national religion of USA. A national religion means that the government recognizes and mandates a religion. Japan doesn't have it. Neither does USA. European countries don't have national religions. Arab nations have national religions and look at what happens to them!

Japan is commiting suicide with the samauri sword morally superior or what they did with kazimkee pilots in WW II morally superior ? Their values are just as messed up as ours but Ours are much better if we obey God as a Christian nation.

Suicide with honor is a cultural belief. I remember when a japanese woman was held a hostage in Iraq, Japan frowned on that woman and she felt worse in Japan than in Iraq. Their culture believes that she was a disgrace. But overall, their morals are much better. Obedience to God is NEVER a guarantee to morality and history shows it over and over. Guess you never learn.