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Well the election is over in MA and it looks like Brown has pulled off the miracle.

Now come the big questions. Does Obama accept the message sent to him from a very very blue state? Or, does he try to force his own agenda? It will be an interesting month ahead. The senate has lost the votes to force health care once Brown is seated.

Will Obama once again resort to "politics as usual" which he was so fiercely opposed to during his campaign? Will he resort to the nuclear option that requires the senate bill to be modified slightly allowing it to pass with only 51 votes? Will he broker a deal hith House members to get the already approved Senate bill passed? Will he resort to legal tactics to delay the seating of the senator?

Either way works for me. If he resorts to "politics as usual" I am certain he will receive another message in November.:D
 
goddamn! just like NJ..... we just had Republican Governor which was a surprise to me especially in this very very very very very blue state.

most interesting, yes? :hmm:
 
Not surprised, MA election don't impress me at all time, either Brown or Coakley victory.
 
Jiro said:
goddamn! just like NJ..... we just had Republican Governor which was a surprise to me especially in this very very very very very blue state.

most interesting, yes? :hmm:
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Yup but I believe it was low vote turnout has helped republican governor to won in NJ.
 
And before anyone hates too much. I want health care reform. Just not this monster.
 
TXgolfer said:
And before anyone hates too much. I want health care reform. Just not this monster.
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Agreed. It's a complete abomination. For a while I thought, "Well, it's probably better than nothing." And now I think nothing is probably better.

I don't think Obama is the one to blame for the "politics as usual." He's hardly in control of the democratic party, and pretty much powerless to do anything about the way government has been running the last half century. With the way power is brokered and deals struck on Capitol Hill, the only people who really benefit are the politicians themselves. I say drag em all out into the street and shoot them. Well not literally, but you know what I mean.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Agreed. It's a complete abomination. For a while I thought, "Well, it's probably better than nothing." And now I think nothing is probably better.

I don't think Obama is the one to blame for the "politics as usual." He's hardly in control of the democratic party, and pretty much powerless to do anything about the way government has been running the last half century. With the way power is brokered and deals struck on Capitol Hill, the only people who really benefit are the politicians themselves. I say drag em all out into the street and shoot them. Well not literally, but you know what I mean.
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It would be a good start!

The Headline today is "Obama urges Dems not to Force Health Care through" I will be interesting to see if the article (what happens next) follows the headline. Sadly, far too often politicians make a popular public statement but carry on with plans to the contrary. It will be interesting to see what happens the next few weeks.
 
More gridlock, that's what's next.
 
sallylou said:
With the U6 at 17% we really can't afford to wait.

City Brights: Zennie Abraham : U.S Unemployment and Underemployment rate at 17 percent
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Can't afford to wait??? Excellent thinking! The country is in financial trouble, we have a bill before congress that A)is not fair to all Americans. B)Many economists believe will be very expensive. C) It could very well INCREASE unemployment due to it's mandatory health insurance provision. D) WILL increase taxes for middle income non-union Americans who already have excellent health care plans. and E) WILL NOT take effect until 2013. (really helps those unemployed now, doesn't it.

Sounds like the excellent thinking of people who run up credit card debts they can not afford or buy houses out of their price range. Oh no!!!! They country is almost broke.........Let's Spend!!!!! Not sure the plan will help???? It may hurt???? Who Cares!!!! Let's do it anyway
 
lol when is ever a good time to implement health care reform anyway? :lol:
 
Whoa, who rattled your cage, TXgolfer. No, we can't afford to wait for reform.

One reason that people are so angry is because Obama put the same people who created the economic crisis in charge of his economic policy. (If you read that article at my link, you would have read about this issue.) It's like the foxes guarding the hen house. Influential people have been calling for Geither's removal for a while now. Unless you're a Wall Street titan, you might want to consider supporting financial reform.

The people who are currently without a job or insurance probably think that they can't afford to wait. If you're fully employed and well insured, I'm happy for you.
 
sallylou said:
Whoa, who rattled your cage, TXgolfer. No, we can't afford to wait for reform.

One reason that people are so angry is because Obama put the same people who created the economic crisis in charge of his economic policy. (If you read that article at my link, you would have read about this issue.) It's like the foxes guarding the hen house. Influential people have been calling for Geither's removal for a while now. Unless you're a Wall Street titan, you might want to consider supporting financial reform.

The people who are currently without a job or insurance probably think that they can't afford to wait. If you're fully employed and well insured, I'm happy for you.
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I am retired, never been insured as an adult. I had my own business and chose to invest the money rather than pay it toward premiums, deductables and co-pays.

As said above I DO support reform. Just not this plan. Maybe they will work quickly on a better solution.
 
Jiro said:
lol when is ever a good time to implement health care reform anyway? :lol:
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Actually this is a good point Jiro. There is probably never going to be a "good time" for reform. We will have to bite the bullet at some point and it will be expensive. Hopefully when we do it will be a plan that is fair for everyone. I personally believe allowing people to shop insurance plans accross state lines would have an immediate impact and would cost us almost nothing. It wouldn't solve the issue but it would make a dent.
 
The other part of the current plan that is problematic is that many feel the mandatory coverage is unconstitutional. Right or wrong the court battle over just this portion will be expensive and delay the bill.
 
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