Strong democracy for Presidential 2004 election

Liza

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I think these are strong democractic contenders. Please share what you think AND know about each of these candidates! :D I know we had similar topics like this thread, but I would rather make a fresh start and discuss more candidates as it seemed we only could discuss Dean or Clark in other threads.

1. Kerry
2. Dean
3. Clark
4. Kucinich
5. Edwards
6. Add more if you think this list is missing a candidate or two!

I can't help but think Dean is too good to be true, and he keeps saying the formula correctly with a little too much zest. Clark is probably too deep into the warrior/soldier thing for my tastes even though I like many of his proposed policies/plans. Heck, he looks like my brother when he was in boot camp with those thick glasses. Perhaps he would be a good president, knowing how it is really like being in combat. He would think twice about sending Americans to wars, I am sure, and he will not be as recklessly as Bush had been which resulted in hundreds of deaths for our soldiers. Clark seems to have his priorities in good order - valuing diversity and women in America. That is a big plus for anyone except the KKK and old racists, I suppose! :lol: I also think he is capable of defending himself physically, and it would be less work for secret service. Heh! I think we need a strong responsible start that he can give us to pull ourselves up by the britches in the aftermath of Bush administration. I feel we need to focus more on the foundation of America rather than spreading ourselves thinly all over the world and especially in the middle east.

Kucinich sounds good - but somehow, he sounds a bit like Dean for my taste with that formula. Edwards seems pretty good, but he supports the Patriot Act which is a no-no for me even though he says it can be good with the right administration and responsibility not the abuse of the current administration. Kerry seems to be the nonsense type, too, like Clark - and I get the sense that he means every word he says, and that he doesnt play around with words like many politicians tend to do (spin doctors). I am more inclined to vote for Kerry this year, but I am open to others candidates' strengths and possibilities. Clark would be my second choice, and perhaps Kucinich third choice. I dunno how Dean would really do as a President, so I might give him a chance to prove himself, too.

I liked what Kerry had to say on the issue of revelance at http://www.moveon.org/pac/cands/all_interviews.html#3

Question: RELEVANCE
I think many people using MoveOn.org are concerned with the disastrous effects of the current administration. However, my sense is that most of mainstream America either does not see the faults or is too scared, for reasons related to Homeland and economic security, to question Bush's authority. How will you, the candidate, frame your message and reach out to mainstream America to show how the upcoming presidential election is relevant to their situation and demonstrate how the actions, policies, corporate influence and diplomatic laissez-faire of Team Bush is unhealthy for our country and our future?
--Karen Zgoda, (June 12, 2003; Brighton, MA)


KERRY: I trust Americans to think carefully about who is the best person to lead us into the future. And I have heard concerns about this Bush Administration all over the country from people of different backgrounds, careers, and incomes. People want to know why this President is rolling back environmental protections. Why everyone is sacrificing for the war on terrorism except millionaires who are just getting new tax breaks. And why is he selecting judges who want to turn back the clock on civil rights and workers rights and the right to choose.

In aftermath of 9/11, Americans demonstrated what a unified, patriotic country we can be. I want to tap into that spirit and call on Americans to make this country everything it can be - to turn around a jobless economy, to move forward on civil rights and environmental rights, and to build a strong future for this country.

We're going to remind this president that the American flag and patriotism doesn't belong to any political party - it belongs to all of us as Americans.

If Democrats can present Americans with a strong vision for our future, a strong vision that shows that we want to move American forward not backwards, I think most Americans will choose that future.
 
Wow, Liza...deep thinking have definitely graced you in politics. Although all what I've read about the candidates -- understanding where they're coming from and so forth...it made me realise how out of touch I have been with American politics since I moved to Australia.
I'm more into the Australian politics these days, of course...cos I live here. :P
 
Liza said:
1. Kerry
2. Dean
3. Clark
4. Kucinich
5. Edwards
6. Add more if you think this list is missing a candidate or two!


Number 6 is Al Sharpton

Before we start Democratic presidential Campaign, I thought Dean and Clark are heavy favors. After started it, Senate Kerry seems good job and speak well.
Dean and Clark, both are good but sadly not enough to win some states recently.
My predication is Kerry will win the democratic party this August. Then his next challenge will be our current president George W. Bush this Nov.
Cannot wait for vote!
 
My 2 cents on John Forbes Kerry?

Kerry sounds good as much as Clark and Edwards, but Dean has a much better proposals than Kerry does. I see that Kerry has shaped his proposals to tailor to the Democratic advantage for passage through Congress as much compromises could be gleaned from his Senatorial experience.

Well I, as a Clark backer,can accept it if Kerry takes the nomination and defeats Shrub in November......But a few lingering questions remain since Kerry voted yea on some of Bush's proposals then turn around to criticize Bush. I think Kerry is finally coming to his senses after realizing what his vote on the proposals led America to what it is today.

Will Kerry be able to turn America around, politically and economic-wise? Time will tell, but from what I see many voters are taking Kerry more seriously than Dean, Clark and Edwards due to his 20+ years in the Senate. But in order to make Kerry's proposals easier to pass thru Congress, we need a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate to enable legislation that Kerry favors to be passed. (Same thing with Shrub and the Republican Congressional majority)

If there is one disadvantage for Kerry.....He could be labeled a "Massachusetts liberal" in the fashion of the Kennedys. The Republicans will use that against him if Kerry is the Dem's nominee. George Herbert Walker Bush used the Willie Horton case against Michael Dukakis (the last Massachusetts politician to run for President) in 1988 sealing Dukakis' fate. Kerry will have to fight back the mudslinging from the Republicans harder than Dukakis and Gore did in order keep his eyes from the ultimate prize: The President of the United States. Also if I was Kerry, I would pick a Southerner as a running mate in order to capture the most important vote: the South vote. Ex-U.S. Sen.Max Cleland (D-GA) sounds to me like the perfect running mate for Kerry as he is from Georgia. Cleland was defeated for a 2nd term by a Republican in a hard-fought contest in 2002.

However I will remain behind the General until the 2K4 Dem convention in Boston. I will pledge to stand by the nominee be it either Clark, Kerry, Edwards or Dean. I also must add that we should thank Dean for igniting the fire in the Democratic base and inspiring huge voter turnouts in the primaries this year.

So there is my .02 on Kerry and the Presidency.
 
Thanks Sable - can you give me a little background on why Dean suddenly lost backing of the Union and other voters? Did he hit Joe Trippi? Or was it just a scream? lol
 
Liza said:
Thanks Sable - can you give me a little background on why Dean suddenly lost backing of the Union and other voters? Did he hit Joe Trippi? Or was it just a scream? lol

Many, many factors for Dean's slide could be better explained at

http://www.democraticunderground.com Go to the Discussion Boards and click on General Discussion 2004 Primaries.

The gurus there knows much better than I do. So the best thing I can do is direct ya there ;)
 
please, please, PLEASE vote for an anti-bush president! for the love of humanity, vote for an anti-bush president!
 
Steel said:
please, please, PLEASE vote for an anti-bush president! for the love of humanity, vote for an anti-bush president!

Don't worry.....From what I gauge in here most of the AD'ers could possibly be a Democratic majority........

And of course I'm fighting for humanity to ensure Bush gets thrown out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in November.

Steel do America a favor....Go and register to vote if you can, then vote in the NC Democratic primaries. Your vote does really count much more this year with America at a crossroads.

Remember at the crossroads (the election) America will either :deal: with the :angel: or the :devil: . That is why I view the 2004 elections with the same eye as what I observed during the 1992 elections. (BTW I voted for Clinton in the 1992 Tennessee primaries then the General election, while living in California, and I don't regret that vote since then.)
 
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