Stop the Sneaky U.N. Gun Ban on 4th of July

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No thanks, I'm against on guns.
 
Well, if you don't like guns at least help to keep America free and not end up like England and Australia they have no more freedom now and crime skyrocketed. Just print out then send in the mail. Thank you very much and God Bless America. :angel:
 
Nah, If guns are allowed in USA then crime will be higher, almost all of gun-related crime is murder. I support to ban on gun in USA like numerous countries aren't allow for people to own gun. Crime in Toronto, London, Sydney, Hong Kong, Tokyo and even more are lower than NYC.
 
TrippLA said:
Nah, If guns are allowed in USA then crime will be higher, almost all of gun-related crime is murder. I support to ban on gun in USA like numerous countries aren't allow for people to own gun. Crime in Toronto, London, Sydney, Hong Kong, Tokyo and even more are lower than NYC.
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To answer what you think. This has been doucemented and researched.

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FABLE XIII: Foreign countries such as England and Japan have much less crime than the U.S. because of their more severe gun laws.

Actually, we can learn a lot from the British experiment with gun control. Britain's licensing of gun owners and registration of their firearms made it possible for the government to demand mass forfeitures of registered pump and semi-automatic shotguns guns in 1988, following the murderous rampage by a deranged individual in Hungerford. Within a decade, British politicians had criminalized possession of first large caliber handguns, then all handguns. Licensed gun owners were told to turn in their handguns; the final deadline was Feb. 27, 1998.

The British government declared legal private property to be contraband and then set about confiscating it. Curbing violence was the promise; a wholesale loss of liberty was the price. And what of that promise? According to the International Crime Victims Survey carried out by the Dutch Ministry of Justice, England--together with Australia and Wales, where anti-gunners have also been at work--has the highest burglary rate and highest rates for crime of violence among the top 17 industrialized nations.1 As the Guardian put it, the study "shows England and Wales as the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime."2

And then on Oct. 13, 2002, London's Sunday Times reported that: "Britain's murder rate has risen to its highest level since records began 100 years ago, undermining claims by ministers that they have got violent crime under control."3

Of course embarrassed British politicians have reacted to the irrefutable failure of their gun control schemes by calling for more of the same. But they have already criminalized possession of most firearms (air guns are the next target) by honest people.4 What is left for them? The answer became chillingly clear in July 2002, with the release of a government "white paper" titled "Justice for All."5 It might have been more appropriately titled "Less Civil Liberties for All."

After first disarming the British people and thereby making them more attractive to criminal predators, the government is now recommending that centuries of English Common Law be eviscerated. Among other things, the government seeks to:

allow the use of hearsay evidence in trials

retroactively remove the double jeopardy rule for serious cases

eliminate the right to trial by jury in many cases

"modernize" the exclusionary evidence rule.

As shocking as these British infringements on liberty are to Americans who cherish our Bill of Rights, they will hardly faze the people of Japan, another nation that American gun prohibitionists hold in such high esteem. Japan does have severe gun control laws and low crime, but as the Independence Institute's David Kopel noted in a work voted 1992 Book of the Year by the American Society of Criminology's Division of International Criminology, Japanese-style gun control requires measures that could not be imposed in the U.S.

In Japan, citizens have fewer protections of the right to privacy and fewer rights for criminal suspects than in the United States. Japanese police routinely search citizens at will and twice a year pay "home visits" to citizens' residences. Suspect confession rate is 95% and trial conviction rate is more than 99.9%.

The Tokyo Bar Association has said that the Japanese police routinely engage in torture or illegal treatment. Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore the physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions. Amnesty International, Kopel noted, calls Japan's police custody system "a flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles."

But, Kopel wrote, "Without abrogating the Bill of Rights, America could not give its police and prosecutors extensive Japanese-style powers to enforce severe gun laws effectively. Unlike the Japanese, Americans are not already secure from crime, and are therefore less likely to surrender their personal means of defense. More importantly, America has no tradition like Japan's of civil disarmament, of submission to authority, or of trust in the government." Thus, "Foreign style gun control is doomed to failure in America. Foreign gun control comes along with searches and seizures, and with many other restrictions on civil liberties too intrusive for America. . . . It postulates an authoritarian philosophy of government and society fundamentally at odds with the individualist and egalitarian American ethos."6

Perhaps Don. B. Kates, a noted civil rights lawyer, best put the international comparison myth in perspective, writing, "In any society, truly violent people are only a small minority. We know that law-abiding citizens do not commit violent crimes. We know that criminals will neither obey gun bans nor refrain from turning other deadly instruments to their nefarious purposes. . . . In sum, peaceful societies do not need general gun bans and violent societies do not benefit from them."7

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/fables.html#FABLE XIII:
 
Even if you don't like guns, or don't want one in your house, this is a matter of a foreign organization trying to interfere with the rights of US citizens.

What will the UN's next agenda be?

The United States is a sovereign nation, and we don't need the UN infringing upon our rights.
 
Reba said:
Even if you don't like guns, or don't want one in your house, this is a matter of a foreign organization trying to interfere with the rights of US citizens.

What will the UN's next agenda be?

The United States is a sovereign nation, and we don't need the UN infringing upon our rights.
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Yeah, you are right.

Fuck the UN.
 
Reba said:
Even if you don't like guns, or don't want one in your house, this is a matter of a foreign organization trying to interfere with the rights of US citizens.

What will the UN's next agenda be?

The United States is a sovereign nation, and we don't need the UN infringing upon our rights.
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Especially after 9/11/01 Take a look at these 3 pictures .....

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http://www.saveourguns.com/poster-freedom068.htm
 
Reba said:
Even if you don't like guns, or don't want one in your house, this is a matter of a foreign organization trying to interfere with the rights of US citizens.

What will the UN's next agenda be?

The United States is a sovereign nation, and we don't need the UN infringing upon our rights.
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Agreed.

The UN can't even get its own house in order let alone anybody elses. They basically do diddly quat and look more stupid every year. When was the last time they successfully negotiated to end a conflict?

As for those who don't like guns, that is fine nobody making you own them but you better be very thankful we (US) allows gun ownership. Our crime rate is lower because the criminals don't know who has them and who do not (such as you anti-gun folks). If you outlaw guns, the only ones who have them are outlaws and they use 'em on folks like you (they don't care).

Getting back to the British situation, the police over there are lobbying to be armed all the time (some are but the Bobbies are generally not) as they are having a rough time trying to get a handle on crime over there.
 
UN can't ban guns unless with vote for repeal the 2nd Amendment, gun rights are protect in this amendment.
 
Reba said:
Even if you don't like guns, or don't want one in your house, this is a matter of a foreign organization trying to interfere with the rights of US citizens.

What will the UN's next agenda be?

The United States is a sovereign nation, and we don't need the UN infringing upon our rights.
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Amen Brother!! This is more than a gun control issue. It's an issue of outsiders trying to trample our rights and freedoms. Do you think they picked our independence day intentionally? Bastards!!!
 
rockdrummer said:
Amen Brother!! This is more than a gun control issue. It's an issue of outsiders trying to trample our rights and freedoms. Do you think they picked our independence day intentionally? Bastards!!!
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I appreciate the "Amen" but I'm a "sister" not a "brother". :D
 
The 2nd Amendment deals with the rights of people in a MILITIA to own guns. It does NOT specifically say everyone can have one.
 
Gun control is ok. Gun banning is idiotic. My family is from KY and we have prided in the freedoms of the american culture for many years. This is an outrage to americans.
 
I am for the guns. I support NRA. I don't trust U.N. They ( U.N. ) twisted/destroyed everythin' that are " ONE NATION under GOD ".
 
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