Sorenson's POV on the whole VRS / interoperability / etc issue

qwerty123 said:
lantana you go and tell Richard Roehm to stop finding fault you latina?

i am smell the long stemed roses

I dont need to find faults with anyone any more cause I just found some real big faults with that Utah relay company. Faults bigger than the San Andreas. I dont need to brag about them here cause they already know and found out the hard way.

Richard
 
Nesmuth said:
I dont need to find faults with anyone any more cause I just found some real big faults with that Utah relay company. Faults bigger than the San Andreas. I dont need to brag about them here cause they already know and found out the hard way.

Richard

Richard, spill the beans.
 
Yea, he will never do that! He don't have real proof on his own hand! Just his own dreamy fantasy world, that is all! He has a fantasy that he owns a website that gets at least 1 million hits a month... Yeah right!!! Only that he could try beat porno sites!

Dennis said:
Richard, spill the beans.
 
see you just proved yourself richard stop with the one liners of saying u know everything when u dont...... NO ONE knows EvERYTHING..

Dennis.. my advice to you if u have a plm with soreson or any VP take it up with them.. some of us are happy with the way we have our current lives and techonlogies stop dampering plms on us... thanks ...

and dont call me a troll either cuz it only makes URSELF a troll for posting those kinds of comments... u want to find fault find it on ur own turf not on alldeaf's turf where u ll get bashed at.
 
Read my original post:

"Some people here continue to assert that Sorenson's point of view is correct and appropriate, even in light of arguments against the below 4 issues"

So, javapride, after I pose 4 very good questions to alldeaf (which as a community, has a tremendous amount of interest in what Sorenson does), no one (including you) on alldeaf is willing to defend Sorenson beyond saying, "Shut up, sit down, and be quiet!"

Doesn't look like Sorenson's actions are appropriate -- but since you got something from them, maybe you feel the need to defend them or lose that precious thing. Guess that same feeling extends to the rest of the deaf community, hmm? No one cares if they get equal access or quick VRS or whatever -- they just want a FREE VP!

Give me some good reasons why YOU believe Sorenson does everything right, huh? If you can do that, it will go a long way to shutting up this poster. If you can't bother to do even that, then go to another thread, 'cause you know I'm right.
 
I do have a Sorenson VP 100. But, I'll admit to not being fully informed on issues surrounding the unit and related services. Hopefully, over time, me and the rest of the Deaf community will full understand these issues and choose to participate in Sorenson's future services and offerings.

In the meantime, I'll continue to use my VP-100, to access the VRS services and as well as other VP-100 users. I've been relatively satisfied so far.
 
FYI I will get to this post. Right now I am in middle of my midterm. but ASAP I have time and it ll be a lengthy explantion, I will do it. Be patience.
 
What of my question from before?

Is Sorenson preventing the other services from customizing the software on the DVC-1000?

If they are, why aren't the other services crying foul!?

If they're not preventing them from customizing, why haven't the other services gone ahead and customized the DVC-1000?

Does anybody here even know the answers?
 
I got damn good reason, nobody really understand the patent laws and how they were governed! What patent laws really do is to protect the person whoever invent a products from losing money to others! In other words, this means that no one can steal other's idea and sell for profit. That law has been around for hundred of years! Generally patent grant exclusive rights for minimum of 17 years. The owner can renew the rights for another 17 years and so on.

Sorenson spend hundred thousands of dollars, if not million dollars on development of VP, including programming, DO other people havet he right to steal from Sorenson's work? I do NOT think so!

I am giving Sorenson credit for this breakthough. If it weren't for them WHO WILL????? I am not going to be pleased if I have to wait years just because nobody have the money!

FINALLY STOP BE FAULT FINDER AGAINST Sorenson!!! Even though I am not 100% satisfied of Sorenson (Their performance seems to improve anyhow), I still respect Sorenson for this breakthough!!!

Dennis said:
Read my original post:
Give me some good reasons why YOU believe Sorenson does everything right, huh? If you can do that, it will go a long way to shutting up this poster. If you can't bother to do even that, then go to another thread, 'cause you know I'm right.
 
dkf747 said:
If they are, why aren't the other services crying foul!?

The California agencies , CSD, NAD, and ours alrealy blew the horn on them. Maybe it wasnt loud enuff for you to hear it.

Richard
 
Nesmuth said:
The California agencies , CSD, NAD, and ours alrealy blew the horn on them. Maybe it wasnt loud enuff for you to hear it.

Richard

I'm deaf. They need a flashing light to go with that horn. :cool:
 
dkf747 said:
I'd like to know too, but it doesn't look like anyone here can answer.

Thats because it hasnt happened yet. We're still waiting for the rulings.

Richard
 
Ugh ?? Unbelievable, you have been accuse on Sorenson. We are very blessing to have Sorenson to communication with hearing people with an interpreter which is more faster than relay service.

You should not complain because other countries do not have this kind of amaze technology.

*big sigh* Please grow up ! :sure:
 
Sabrina said:
Ugh ?? Unbelievable, you have been accuse on Sorenson. We are very blessing to have Sorenson to communication with hearing people with an interpreter which is more faster than relay service.

You should not complain because other countries do not have this kind of amaze technology.

*big sigh* Please grow up ! :sure:

I agree. :thumb:
 
Sabrina said:
Ugh ?? Unbelievable, you have been accuse on Sorenson. We are very blessing to have Sorenson to communication with hearing people with an interpreter which is more faster than relay service.

You should not complain because other countries do not have this kind of amaze technology.

*big sigh* Please grow up ! :sure:

IcedTeaRulz said:

Me, too... :bowdown:
 
Dennis said:
Richard, spill the beans.

I cant spill the beans cause I'm expecting a big fat yellow bag of beans. Right lovesorenson?

Richard
 
Nesmuth said:
I cant spill the beans cause I'm expecting a big fat yellow bag of beans. Right lovesorenson?

Richard

Then PM me, man. Don't clutter up this thread.
 
Nesmuth said:
Thats because it hasnt happened yet. We're still waiting for the rulings.

Richard


The FCC ruling on interoperability wont take place. It been going on too long already

Richard, go ahead and take the long wait route
 

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Gentlemen and Ladies, I am HERE! finally. I will answer those questions as best as I can, but before I go ahead, please remember that the answers I gave you DO NOT reflect the opinion of Sorenson Communcations or whatever.

1) Interoperability: What's Sorenson's justification to prevent their users from contacting other VRS device users by telephone number, when it was possible before?
It was possible before, but some user ruined the privedge on this. LDAP server was maintained by Sorenson and have people running to make sure the LDAP is up. There are problem with people using same phone number on Dlink DVC-1000 and VP-100 causing people to "Steal" phone number from other people and so on.

Another problem with that is that people will hammer Sorenson's tech support for problem with their videoconferencing equiment. This is hurting their resource. In order to sepature and let other VRS handle their own customers, the entries have to be sepature. I mean, if you have a deaf that get free DVC-1000 and have a problem, half the chance, they ll hammer Sorenson's tech support, then use other VRS. Where will Sorenson tech support get reimbursements if the customer is using other VRS.

2) VRS interoperability: What's Sorenson's justification to prevent their users from contacting other VRS services in any way possible?
Sorenson need to pay for everything, Like:
  • Tech Support
  • Maintance IT people (for Directory Server)
  • Programmer (for VP-100)
  • Sales People
  • Trainers
  • Equiment such as VP-100, Routers, Cables, etc.
  • Interpreter
  • Maintance of over 30 Call Centers
  • Interpreters
  • Development for the next generation of VP
Thats a lot of resource that Sorenson need to get those covered. If we are to let the user use other VRS provider on VP-100, this is like putting a Cola in a Pepsi, but doesnt get all the money as Pepsi will get. Think- Who will pay for the development of the next generation? We would LOVE to see the technology for videoconferencing going upward, than being on a dead heart-line. And I'd have to admit, without Sorenson, the Videoconferncing market will not be the same, we will be stuck with webcams.

Again, if people use other VRS provider, how will those:
  • Maintance People
  • Tech Support (because they provide the equiment, they need to do RMA and stuff)
  • Development of the next generation of Videoconferencing
  • Reimburse on Research development on VP-100
  • Trainer who installed VP-100 at customer's home
get covered by Sorenson if the customer were to use other VRS than Sorenson?

If OTher VRS pay Sorenson part of their minutes to cover the costs above, and Sorenson is not willing to unblock. I ll see your point now, but with all of those that need to be paid for.... Money is money.


3) D-Link features: What's Sorenson's justification for using their agreement with D-Link to prevent all other VRS providers from implementing features and enhancments on their own videophones?

I dunno on that. Meanwhile, give me a business company that have their own VP software.

4) Privacy: What's Sorenson's justification for having the right to watch you and record everything you do with your VP-100 and decide what is acceptable for you to do with a VP-100?

I dont think they really record everything, but keep in track of it just in case and save all the configuration/lists. It is just like our sidekick. EVERYTHING we do on our sidekick is stored remotely on Danger's server, so when we get a replacement of the sidekick, everything will be downloaded and act just the same as before. Same with VP now, if you need a replacement, we will be able to "redownload" the speed dial, missed call list, etc. Also, I have heard that Sorenson is getting lot of complaint from people that does harrassment, or even sexual harrassment other people, or toward staff like interpreter. Before, They are helpless on that, but now, if they feel is necessary, they can disable the VP. It is like T-mobile disable your sidekick if you are not paying or is doing a serious stuff with it.

Summary: We need to respect VP-100 as part of Sorenson's property. We would do the same to other VRS that provide us with D-Link. But if you BUY the hardware, that would be a different story.

Now in return, I have a few request to make:
1) Please keep this thread on topic. One-sentence or whatever will not be appericated by me.
2) To those who love to troll about Sorenson, STAY out of this. Do not discuss unless you present a valid point with proof
3) Mod: please delete all unnecessary posts, if possible.
 
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