Smoking pot is child endangerment. Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets....

old news. in NYC history back in old days when there was a massive crackdown in police force - over 60% of NYPD's Drug Enforcement Agency was corrupted and arrested.

And you can't say that there is no such thing as a rebound. It's a good thing 60% of them got arrested, but sooner or later, there's bound to be more of them. It sucks, I know. But we need to stay on top of it and make sure the system stays clean.

Yiz
 
I agree. It's high time to "clean out the closet", as it were, all the way up to the top level. We need to weed out the "weeds" from the "wheats".

We also need more watch dog groups out there to make sure the cops stays honest and encourage more civilians to stop being afraid of cops and report any misconduct that they witness.

Cops are being paid by US taxpayers and we need to make sure that each and every individual that takes on the job as being a cop is well worth our tax dollars and get rid of those who abuse the system.

Yiz

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And you can't say that there is no such thing as a rebound. It's a good thing 60% of them got arrested, but sooner or later, there's bound to be more of them. It sucks, I know. But we need to stay on top of it and make sure the system stays clean.

Yiz

You raise an excellent point here. I find it disturbing that 60% of them were corrupt though. I wonder how this go so far out of control in the first place.
 
You raise an excellent point here. I find it disturbing that 60% of them were corrupt though. I wonder how this go so far out of control in the first place.

Lack of reporting would be one of them, whether it be out of fear or just plain don't care.

If cops who abuse the system sees that they're getting away with misconduct, then their misconduct becomes more and more rampant.

So it's important that we report any misconduct the moment we see them, document what you see and present it to the right people.

But don't stop there, follow up on it and make sure that the report does not get ignored.

Take it to the media if the local authorities fails to follow up on a report and or complaint.

Cams are so handy to have, but don't be too obvious that you are videotaping their misconduct. Police who abuse the system will try to protect themselves from being reported on in any way they can.

If they see you videotaping them and wants to take it away from you, my only take is run and find a place to hide it and then surrender. If they asked where you hid the cam, do not give it up. That cam is your only chance in getting charges dropped against you when their misconduct comes to light.

Some may say that running from the cops is breaking the law, but not when it comes to a cop committing a crime and all you're doing is trying to do the right thing by reporting their misconduct. So protect it if you can.

Most police agencies do not like cops giving their agencies a black eye. It's embarrassing and it makes the whole agency look questionable. Honest cops work very hard to maintain trust from the community and all it takes is one bad cop to destroy that trust. But at the same time, you're doing the agency a favor by taking a bad cop out of the equation.

Yiz
 
Lack of reporting would be one of them, whether it be out of fear or just plain don't care.

If cops who abuse the system sees that they're getting away with misconduct, then their misconduct becomes more and more rampant.

So it's important that we report any misconduct the moment we see them, document what you see and present it to the right people.

But don't stop there, follow up on it and make sure that the report does not get ignored.

Take it to the media if the local authorities fails to follow up on a report and or complaint.

Cams are so handy to have, but don't be too obvious that you are videotaping their misconduct. Police who abuse the system will try to protect themselves from being reported on in any way they can.

If they see you videotaping them and wants to take it away from you, my only take is run and find a place to hide it and then surrender. If they asked where you hid the cam, do not give it up. That cam is your only chance in getting charges dropped against you when their misconduct comes to light.

Some may say that running from the cops is breaking the law, but not when it comes to a cop committing a crime and all you're doing is trying to do the right thing by reporting their misconduct. So protect it if you can.

Most police agencies do not like cops giving their agencies a black eye. It's embarrassing and it makes the whole agency look questionable. Honest cops work very hard to maintain trust from the community and all it takes is one bad cop to destroy that trust. But at the same time, you're doing the agency a favor by taking a bad cop out of the equation.

Yiz

Excellent advice.. :hmm:
 
Columbia, Missouri Police Chief: “I Hate the Internet”

Wednesday, May 12th, 2010

Columbia, Missouri Police Chief Ken Burton is apparently frustrated. At another press conference yesterday, a reporter asked the chief what he has learned from the international attention generated by the YouTube video of his department’s SWAT team conducting a drug raid last February.

His reply: “I hate the Internet.”

I’ll bet he does. For two-and-a-half months, Burton and his department were quiet about the raid. That’s likely because, as I wrote yesterday, the raid was really no different from the tens of thousands of similar raids conducted every year, and that are probably conducted by his own department a couple of times per week. Within days of the video hitting the web, Burton was forced to hold several press conferences, and has now laid out several reforms to the way SWAT raids will be conducted in Columbia in the future. I suppose it’s possible those reforms were brewing all along, and the timing of him announcing them after the video went viral was mere coincidence. It seems at least plausible, though, that the dread “Internet” sparked some actual policy changes, here.

Unfortunately the changes—while small steps in the right direction—still miss the point. Burton says his department will no longer conduct SWAT raids at night. They won’t conduct raids in homes where children are present. Suspects will be under constant surveillance until the raid is carried out. And raids will be conducted within a shorter period of time from when police get the initial tip about a suspected drug dealer. But the Columbia Police Department will still conduct volatile, violent, highly aggressive forced-entry raids on people suspected of consensual, nonviolent drug crimes. That is what’s wrong with the YouTube video. Changing the time of day of the raid doesn’t change the wildly disproportionate use of force.

Burton and his department have also criticized web commentary on the video, citing both death threats aimed at members of the SWAT team and an abundance of what Burton calls “misinformation” about the raid.

He’s right. I saw both. In particular, the description that accompanied the YouTube video (which today topped 1 million views) described the pit bull the police killed as crated when it was shot. It wasn’t. (I should disclose that I passed on this bit of incorrect information to several people while discussing the raid before discovering it was incorrect, though I didn’t put it in print). And death threats, even from keyboard commandos posting on Internet discussion boards, are inexcusable.

That said, Burton is deflecting. When the video first went viral, his department’s spokesperson acknowledged that the police didn’t know a seven-year-old boy was in the home, but explained that the department has to carry out drug raids quickly before dealers can move their supply. That was, as Burton would put it, “misinformation.” You might even call it a lie. At the very least, it was another example of a police spokesperson reflexively defending the department before knowing all the facts. Eight days passed between the time the police were tipped off to the alleged marijuana stash and the time they conducted the raid.

As I reported yesterday, according to Brittany Montgomery, the mother and wife in the home at the time of the raid, the police initially gave the family a copy of the video in which the audio and portions of incriminating video had been removed. That sounds like “misinformation,” too. Montgomery also wrote that when her neighbors inquired with the department about the raid, they were initially told it was a drill, and that no shots were fired. That too was “misinformation.” (The department didn’t return my call, so I haven’t been able to get their response to these two allegations.)

“Misinformation” coming from police department officials acting in their official capacity is a hell of a lot more troubling than misinformation disseminated on Internet discussion boards and in blog comment threads.

As for the death threats, yes, they’re an unfortunately ugly part of often-anonymous Internet discourse. But Burton’s men were just captured on video firing off seven rounds into a home just seconds after they’d broken into it. This, despite the fact that there was nothing in the home that posed a lethal threat to them. (Yes, some pit bulls can be dangerous, but not to an armed SWAT team bedecked in full body armor.) One of those rounds missed its intended target (the pit bull) and struck an unintended target (the Corgi). According to Montgomery, there are now bullet holes in the walls of the house. There were other people in that house who weren’t suspects, people the cops weren’t aware of before they started firing their guns, including a child. That seems like a pretty reckless disregard for human life.

But Burton would have us believe that the real outrage here is the faux “if they try to come to my house and do that, I’ll kill them” Internet bravado that came in response to the video, not the very real violence actually depicted in it.

Source: Columbia, Missouri Police Chief: “I Hate the Internet” | The Agitator

While I have no doubt he hates the Internet, behold the power of the Internet!

Now that it's been confirmed that the dogs were not caged, but that doesn't matter. What matters is these dogs did not pose or shown to be a threat to the officers. They're well "body armored" to protect vital areas from serious harm. I have reservations that the dogs were more scared of the officers than the officers were of them.

As for misinformation coming out of the police department, editing out video portions before handing it over to the family (victims is more like it) whom they requested a copy of (it took a lawyer to get the actual unedited one that shows the shooting, dogs screaming, kid crying, etc.).

Another misinformation is they did not know there was a 7 year old child in the house. With the SWAT team raiding the house and start shooting is considered reckless disregard. Me thinks they're backpedaling to cover their asses.

The cops have alot of gall to call the unedited video "misinformation" when they're guilty of conducting the same kind of behavior to the media in order to cover their asses of their major screw up.

Just because the couple was conducting a consensual, nonviolent drug usage does not necessarily mean they're drug dealers. What they found at the house was less than a gram of marijuana, a pipe and some other paraphernalia, then they have the cajoles to charge the parents of "child endangerment" because they were smoking pot whereas the cops were actually endangering the life of a child by firing their weapons inside a house.

The Police Chief should be fired along with the SWAT team. Then have their policies changed altogether.

This war on drugs have cost taxpayers in trillions of dollars and is going nowhere at the goal of winning the war against drugs. See story.

So instead of going after small time users who smoke pot at home and isn't bothering anyone, they work, pay taxes just like everyone else. Legalize marijuana and the violence surrounding that will disappear altogether.

I'm against hard drugs simply because hard drugs kills people, same with alcohol, tobacco and just about anything that can bring about great harm to the body.

Pot on the other hand does not. You can't O.D. on it, it's never been proven to cause cancer whereas the additives in cigarettes does cause cancer. It's not even classified as narcotics. It's physiologically addictive, but most certainly not physically addictive. The only exception that I would agree with is to classify it as a DUI if you drive while being high on pot. Pretty stupid to do that. Same for operating machinery of any sorts that could cost your fingers and or limbs.

In any rate, we've spent trillions of dollars in the last 40 years fighting a losing battle on hardcore drugs that kills hundreds, if not thousands each year. So my take on this is to scrap the program.

If they wanna be idiots to kill themselves on heroin, cocaine, meth and all of the other crap, the less idiots there is to deal with, the better. I'm trying not to sound mean, but the bottom line is we can't fix the stupid, they have to fix themselves if they want to be fixed and stay clean.

Edit: After reading other links regarding this so called "confidential informant" who said that this person at the home was selling pot. It's been my experience and knowledge that informants who get caught with drugs on them often get offered by the cops to "flip" with them in order to get a lesser charge or have charges dropped altogether if they tell them who they can find "the big guy" to bust.

In most cases, they would provide false information to have the cops bust a smaller guy in order to protect the big guy so they can continue to do transactions with them to get their pot and or fix on harder drugs. Also, they fear the "big guy" simply because chances are they'll get picked up later and get killed for "squealing them to the cops".

Yiz
 
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