*Sigh*

[Mookie]

You know, off point. This reminds me of a time when I had a car towed and I couldn't reach the company because they kept hanging up on relay. They billed me a sum for almost four figures for holding the car for several weeks (I even wrote letters).

I finally got through to the manager. He told me, "I'm sorry. We'll take care of the operator You're a valued customer. How about we take three days off your bill?" I was floored. The money didn't matter to me and I would have paid the whole sum of the towing on the spot, but what bothered me was the disrespect he was showing us deaf people. If he rips me off, he may do the same for the next deaf person who comes along. That isn't cool at all.

I gave it some thought and then I told him what I thought he was doing was very unfair, and tried to negotiate with him to see if we could agree on a figure that would be much better. He refused to budge.

So I told him what I was going to do. I was going to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, I was going to reach my friend at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and distribute press releases to a number of news and media outlets, I was going to contact a number of deaf and disability organizations, and I was going to pursue any and all available legal recourse.

He got the message and we negotiated a fair price: towing plus a day or two of storage. I paid it and went on my way. I hope the next deaf customer they have has a better experience.

Endymion,

You are very luck that you obtained a good bargain.

I have heard from my few friends that the towing business offered them discount or no charges since they understood how deafie can not make lots of money. They could easily notice them in the value of clothes and shoes. Maybe they wanted to see what kind of wallet or number of plastic cards...

 

[Angel]

Wait, DID this boy really do the damage or was it scam artist doing "Staged accident" It is very common here in my home state.
Scam artist is getting smarter on how to get money fast.

If Liebling feels that her son didn't do the damaged and feels that he's a scam, then she can always take him to court, or have him have a lawsuit against her , and then he would have to prove it to court whether her son did the damaged or not.....

I wasn't there so I'm not going to say it may be a scam or not.....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

wow interesting points.... thank you for share your feedback here with me... I appreciate it very much...

I´m going to answer some of your posts right now.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hey Liebling, I remember you said about alot positives and safety in your hometowm... WTF? is it really ok for anyone to kidnap any kids for 59 minutes, and cop won't do anything? Not here!!! Here EVEN if one second, will have FULL blown investigation!!! Im glad I live here where anyone dare to touch my son for EVEN one second to deal with full blown investigation!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for anyone to take my kids, not even for one second without my authorization, P E R I O D! Thank god for America!

Huh? I didn´t know that you felt that I made alot positive and safety in my hometown... I know that I mentioned cons and pros about Germany in my previous posts in any threads...

All what I want to say positive about my hometown is true BECAUSE I live in village which 3 miles away from small town with no crimes around opposite to large cities like Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, etc. I´m sorry if you see the different and feel being annoy by my posts because I´m honest with my posts. What could I do? Because it´s true. You will understand why we choose to live safety environment etc. when you come to visit my hometown.

Anyway, back to my topic...

I´m sorry that I didn´t make clear in my post about "kidnap" and "59 minutes".

The police explained if "kidnapper" take kids to police station and have kids in police station for 59 minutes - no charge against "kidnapper". If kids stay in police station for over 60 minutes, then charge against "Kidnapper".

Yes Police do something straight way if kids or adults are being kidnapped to airports or anywhere.... except police station...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Wait a minute Liebling before going ahead and pay this guy, This guy need to get 3 cost estimates on the window, and you choose which is the lowest price for you to pay, That is only fair because that's exactly what I did, when my son hit a baseball and it hit someone else's house window and broke a window, I took full responsible for the action my son did, but I told the neighbor that I want three estimates on how much it is going to cost to replace that window and I found someone who would do it for 100.00, He had no choice because it's a brand new window replacement, He cannot just choose any price he feels like it.

600.00 is way too much and a rip off in my opinion. Don't let him take advantage of you, Be tough, and tell him you want three estimates, He has no choice.

Yes you have a good point. I would do the same if I don´t have insurance. Insurance cover for us.

It was happened to Alan at 2 years ago. I beleive that I did said in other thread about Alan and his mates played scoocer and the ball hit to damage window. (cow´s house). Mates´s parents and my insurance rejected to cover the cost of window because they played scoocer near houses without our supersivon. One of mates´s parents suggest a farmer to get a new window cheaply and fix himself for farmer... Farmer see no problem because it´s cow house. After that we shared the cost of plain and cheap window.

As what you said that someone fixed the window cost $100 sound that it´s single glazing window... ? $100 is very good price... You are lucky...

There´re common in Germany to own double glazing windows for houses is not cheap. It cost between $600 and $1,000 per double glazing window with wood frames. That´s why we have glass insurance to be safety.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It does not matter. If someone would damage my car and get the estimate cost from the auto body shop and show the person who damaged or insurance company. They would give me check and i will fix myself the damaged car and keep some or whole money...

Next time, to check any auto body shop and find out the price. They can easily replace the window from the used car junk yard. That's why they made lots of profit rather than ordering brand-new window...

Without report police? It´s too complication for Insurance companies to give you check for the damage where a person have done. Some of Insurance companies order Expert to examine your car to prove it´s true or not... That´s why a lot of Germans report Police to come to look on your car which it´s easier and safe for Insurance companies because Insurance companies love to see police´s statement... :roll:

It would be also easier if person stated in written to your Insurance company that he or she is on responsible for damage on car if you do not wish to report police.

They would give me check and i will fix myself the damaged car and keep some or whole money...

A lot of Germans do the same like what you have done in the past until Insurance companies found out that they "cheat" money to profit themselves that´s why they made strict rules at few years ago...

They transfer amount to your bank straight way as what price offer from auto body shop written and then wait for 2 to 4 weeks later then write a letter to require invoice from you to prove either you had your car to fix or not... how much it cost... You has to return money back to Insurance if the repair cost is less or nothing than price offer or they will press the charge against you for fraud.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, police officers probably knew the young lad of the police officer. That's why they looked at their watch and decided to ingore the serious matter. I know it is very BS. Liebling should have make a formal complain to the mayor's office, elected official in her district and/or internal affair/police chief's office...

Yeah, I guess you could be right but police officer explained me (see my response post on DHB´s post). My friends were like what Police officer explained us front of them... Until on next day Danny´s mates´s parents told me that young man´s father is Police Officer... ha ha ha ... I also told them what police explained to us... I told my co-worker about this but they were also , too...

Mookie, you are right that I should report with complaint to Mayor office. I never thought about this. I would do SOMETHING if Insurance reject to cover the window cost... Thank you for get me attention... I will remember next time if any happened to us again...

 

[Heath]

Liebling, the man is commiting fraud. I suggest you contact the head of the police, get the German Internal Affairs unit involved ( Police who investigates police's wrong doings )and the insurance company should not have given that man the $600. the insurance money should go straight to the car shop where the man's car is being fixed. That sounds like extortion.

Just because his family has many police officers does not make him
" protected ".

To be more blunt Someday he will f*ck with the wrong people and get killed.

You need to go to the German tv news station and tell the t.v. news that they are taking advantage of a Deaf person then public outrage will rule the day and you will get your money back....Keep everything doucemented with proof.

Get 10 different lawyer's take on the case and become familiar with the German law, don't be content with 1 law , make sure you find all the laws on the German books to f*ck the guy over because he is f*cking you over on the money. I doubt your son even threw a snowball toward the man's car. It is more possible a 18 wheeler truck's tire threw some pebbles on his window and he did not notice it.

Make sure to have this Biblical verse with you to show the judge and lawyers.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 19:14;&version=9;

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Get junk yard car pound there have plenty old window.. why need brand new window.. I bet that guy who want $$$ not replace window.. I can feel my guts.. which his car is very old.. why cares?

*rolls*

That´s what people in village said the same... :roll: Insurance said to us that we have to wait for 2 to 4 weeks to get a letter to require original invoice from young man for fix new car window... Wait and see either he is honest or not...

Same thing my little son accidently threw wrong directly and hit the HUGE WINDOW.. The landlord really kinda piss'n off and use his company window.. I refused...
knew it's extreme expensive.. I searched different company window.. found cheaper 200 bux to repace it.. which it's little used.. so what... finally replace it.. and looks alike brand new window... I kept spray vingar on the window.. kept scrubbing til shine... There's go looks so NEW!

I call landlord and come over.. landlord is satisfty...
*whew* pssst it's used window.. LOL

Good thing, I'm glad we were moved out that place which landlord is scum!

You are lucky... here in Germany is different... like what Cheri said... estimate the price offer in 3 different companies to compare with... until I see good price then take it... if I have no insurance. The owner has the right to reject your price offer and not agree with "quality"... *sigh* They can demand "quality" item from you... but it´s luck if the owner has good heart... like what we did with window replacement for farmer´s cow house... Farmer is good person and don´t mind to have one of parents to get window and fix for him.

Most Germans demand good qualities and don´t care either you want cheap or not but want good qualities... *sigh*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, I am sorry about what happened. Hope everything will work out well for you and your family. Umm what disturbs me the most about your story is the young man took your son to the police station without your permission. That was so wrong of him! I don't know about the laws in Germany but if I was you I would file a complaint against the young man. In America no one has the right to do that even if it was only for one minute.

Thank you... Yes, I´m agree with you that it bother me most that young man took my son to police station without my permission. (see my response post on DHB´s post what police explained me about difference law over kidnap between to police station and anywhere). If to police station - no press charge for 59 minutes and if to anywhere except police station for one minute.

We were mad on young man about this last Monday. He apolozied to us and agree that he should ask us first before drive him to police station. Of course I told Danny off for not inform me next time if young man want to drive him to police station. Danny said that he know young man because he live same village where we live and join scoocer club as him... he is not stranger. I explained him that it´s no matter either he is stranger or not but he still have to ask me FIRST before go off...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

wow long post... interesting... I know it´s same with me, too...

Ouch!...

I know how you feel Liebling , when my first son was in pre-school, he cut the boy's shirt with a pair of scissors and I didn't know anything about this until the principal send home a note saying she wanted to talk to me tomorrow morning, which I did came to the office with my son, that when she told me what my son did to this little boy's shirt, and the first thing I said was oh my gosh....my son started crying after the pincipal said she paid the mother of the boy's shirt that was damaged 20.00 because she felt that my son didn't mean to do it and he did apologized, so she felt it was no big deal cause kids in pre-school intend to do that sometimes, but the problem was the boy's mother wanted more money, she called and complaint that 20 dollars wasn't enough she wanted 60 dollars for the shirt cause his father brought it for him, and the principal told her shes believe the shirt is worth 20 not 60....however the mother wasn't happy, she was mad and wanted more because his father no longer lives with them and hardly see him, and that shirt means so much to him, yet the principal said that if the shirt means so much to your son, then he shouldn't wear that to school because once hes in pre-school , the children intend to have accidents such a painting, glue, etc...The mother still complaint so the principal told me she can't pay her more then 20, so I told the principal I wanted a meeting with her and we can sit and talk about this and see if She'll take 30 instead of 60 cause I felt bad for her and her son, but the principal told me that she will call the mother and will let me know this afternoon, so she called and said that the mother said never mind 20 dollars was enough.....

Yes you are lucky that Prinicipal made good and fair offer.

It was happened to Danny when he was 7 years old that´s time. A boy damage Danny´s tupperware lunch box. Teacher got Principal to talk boy´s parents to pay me and want to know how much Tupperware lunch box cost. I told them to not worry about money because Tupperware items have 100 year guarantee then I can give damage tupperware back to Tupperware lady for new one with no cost... Boy´s parents are relieved and apologzied to us... They got their son to give Danny some candies to show him how much sorry he is...

Sometimes when children do things by accident whether it may be something big, small or tiny, still we have to take our responsibility as a parent by doing the right thing paying the damage that our children did by an accident...

Yes, I´m agree it´s our responsible what our children damage... no matter either it´s small to large... but snowball? very small single scratch size like cat´s whisker on young man´s old car window screen... :roll:

I agree with Cheri and the others about having more than 2 estimates on the window to compare which one is reasonable enough for you....Also, you pay the person that your child damager his car window...And it's up to him whether or not he would want to fix his window or keep the money.....There's pretty much nothing we can do about it....It's the same way it happened to me when I got into an car accident, and some drunk guy bumped in my car twice in the back and the side, even it wasnt badly damaged but it was a bend in the side and the back of the car, I didn't use the money to fix the car up I kept the money and brought another car later on.....So really it's not our buisness what he does with the money, but all we have to do is take responsibility by paying what we owe, afterall it's our child's fault, and they should be more careful when throwing snowball nears car and etc, cause it can damage whether it may be just a soft snowball.....

See my response post on Cheri... My insurance company doesn´t bother to ask him to compare the prices... all what they want price offer then transfer amount to his bank and wait for 2 to 4 weeks then write a letter require him to send them original invoice how much he spend to fix new window screen .... (see my response post on Mookie´s post). Yes, I aware that Danny and mates should not make "snowballs war" between 2 streets where the car suddenly come... the area where I live is not have cars around often... but suddenly... I told Danny to do at playground or garden... not street...

The man did the wrong thing by taking your son to the police department without your permission, you have the right to press charge... tsk tsk on that man!!!

I wish I did... (see my response post on DHB, Mookie and Butterflygirl)...

And one more thing, I'm truly sorry to hear what happened, no parents want to go thru this, but sometimes we got to do the right thing you know honey.... Hope everything goes smooth at the end....

thank you for cutee support... True, *sigh* but we have to accept our responsible... Everything goes smooth for us now since Insurance accept the cost to cover his car window screen... It would be bad if Insurance reject it... I would do SOMETHING like go to lawyer... etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry dame,

Every owner has right to make their decision weather or not to replace their damaged personal property. They also have right to fix their own property and keep extra profits since they worked hard and sweated with their own dirty hands...

You did not response about your favorite kitchen pot.

wow :jaw:

Like what I reponsed your last post and told you that alot of Germans do like what you said here... Now no more... Insurance companies are not stupid and require their proof after transfer amounts to their banks. That´s how we required young man for auto body house´s account number but he want money in his account... We argued because we know he want to profit himself... Insurance explained us that young man and I will get letter require the proof of invoice how much he had car window to fix.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by ^Angel^
It doesn't matter if the person will use the money to fix the window or keep it, the point is her son did a damage on his window and he has the right to collect the the money....but Liebling can go look around for a cheaper cost to have his window repaired if she feels that 600.00 is alot of money...

Young man proved us with price offer from window screen company... Car window screen is not cheap... it could be around $300 to $600 on different car types, that´s how police estimated prices to us last Saturday.

I accept the responsible what action my sons did but snowball?... small scratch like single cat whisker? Can you image that? :roll:

Wait, DID this boy really do the damage or was it scam artist doing "Staged accident" It is very common here in my home state.
Scam artist is getting smarter on how to get money fast.

True, but Danny admitted that he throw snowball on front of window screen of young man´s car... He want to threw snowball to his mates on other street but car come...

To me, I feel it´s nothing do with snowball after examine his car but I can´t do anything against him because of police report after examine his car... I thought police would laugh on him but they didn´t. They took young man´s report serious and demand us to cover the cost of window screen or he will file lawsuit against us with police´s report which it´s good for him. :roll: Lawyers or court can´t do anything to help us because of police statement... We found out on next day that his father is police officer. I beleive the story would be different if his father is not police officer.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If Liebling feels that her son didn't do the damaged and feels that he's a scam, then she can always take him to court, or have him have a lawsuit against her , and then he would have to prove it to court whether her son did the damaged or not.....

I wasn't there so I'm not going to say it may be a scam or not.....

I already explained in my previous post that I feel it´s not snowball to "damage" his car... Just very small scratch like cat´s whisker... :roll:

See my response post on DHB´s post that I can´t do anything to against him because of police report after withness/examine his car... *sigh* It´s good thing is my insurance cover his car window screen... I would do SOMETHING if Insurance rejected to cover his car window screen.

It´s stress to fight with him over that $600 because I know I can´t do anything against him because young man got Danny to state at police station what happened...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, the man is commiting fraud. I suggest you contact the head of the police, get the German Internal Affairs unit involved ( Police who investigates police's wrong doings )and the insurance company should not have given that man the $600. the insurance money should go straight to the car shop where the man's car is being fixed. That sounds like extortion.

Just because his family has many police officers does not make him
" protected ".

To be more blunt Someday he will f*ck with the wrong people and get killed.

You need to go to the German tv news station and tell the t.v. news that they are taking advantage of a Deaf person then public outrage will rule the day and you will get your money back....Keep everything doucemented with proof.

Get 10 different lawyer's take on the case and become familiar with the German law, don't be content with 1 law , make sure you find all the laws on the German books to f*ck the guy over because he is f*cking you over on the money. I doubt your son even threw a snowball toward the man's car. It is more possible a 18 wheeler truck's tire threw some pebbles on his window and he did not notice it.

Make sure to have this Biblical verse with you to show the judge and lawyers.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 19:14;&version=9;

Yes, you are right... I already suggested that money should go to car shop, not him... Young man got my insurance to transfer money to his bank account. We were mad with Insurance at first but they explained us that he and we will get a requirement letter for original invoice from him within 2 to 4 weeks later to prove them that he had his car window screen to fix or not.

It´s stress to fight with him because police is on his side... and $600... *sigh* Mainly important is my insurance cover the cost... Its up to my insurance to demand anything from him but my insurance is tooo easy for him... I wish my insurance should be strict on him... :roll:

You need to go to the German tv news station and tell the t.v. news that they are taking advantage of a Deaf person then public outrage will rule the day and you will get your money back....Keep everything doucemented with proof.

No it has nothing do with deafness but he did to people in the past... The people in village where I live label young man and his parents as money grabber. We were warned to keep away from his property if we ride the bicycle pass their house... We warned our sons, too to keep away from their property and go other street...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Everyone thank you for feedback... which it´s good experience for me to collect something from you all...

 

[Heath]

Everyone thank you for feedback... which it´s good experience for me to collect something from you all...

Ja!!! Hope the experience made you more stronger.

 

[JeepGirl]

If your son has admitted that he did do that and there was a witness.. yeah i can understand that you may have to pay for it.. but if there was no witness and he says he didn't do it then obviously it was already there and found a way to make money. like you said.. he and his family are money grabbers. I honestly can't believe the young man just took your son to the police station without your permission.. That is "kidnapping'!!!! I think you need to go back to the police station and report it, not that cop that was with you doing the statement.. go to someone else. I can't believe its not a law if it's not considered kidnapping in less than an hour. the young man had actually put Danny in the car with him and took off to a police station, i think that's so wrong. that would scare the crap out of me if my daughter had done that.

How old is Danny? next time make sure you tell danny not to ever ever get into a car with a stranger or without your permission if he could go somewhere with someone.

I'm so sorry you went thru this especially on your b'day but something need to be done. Just because the young man's daddy is a cop doesn't mean he should get away with it.. hope you get all that settled in!

 

[jazzy]

I am sorry u had to deal with it. we replaced our car window many times and $600 is way too much money. It costs us average $175 depend on the size of window. soon I have to replace my car window but don't want to cuz it will crack again and again and again.

Umm so this man is a child of cop? I don't trust them, they are worst kind of people. After dealing with my neice who used to date this boy whose father is a cop. I wanted to kick his a#$ for put my neice in jail after tried to take his key away when he was drunk. His daddys' friend cops threw my neice in jail for stratch his face when she tried to take his key away cuz she does not want him to drive around drunk. Then cops let this boy go and he drove home drunk. That anger me more when I think of this but thank God judge were on my neice's case and he dismissed it.

 

[Y]

Same here I think it's bit too much because
I recalled paying less than $300 for the
car window replacement plus labor.
(P.S. Yes, it was on my BMW )