Sailor: Discharged For Being Gay?

Jiro said:
Post #18 and Post #46

You forget that Defense Secretary Gates was very explicit and detailed about new changes in rules regarding DADT which would protects Jarod Mcintosh in this case.

Defense.gov News Article: Pentagon Changes
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So, prior to these revisions, discharge had been instituted on the basis of sexual orientation? Actual pics are not hearsay, and the confidentiality clause doesn't apply to this case either. We aren't talking about doctors or therapists or clergy revealing what was said in a confidential situation.
 
jillio said:
Answered previously. I won't beat a dead horse.
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Ah....so another false claim......oh well.

Wouldn't it be easier to say...."oops checking back I guess you didn't.....my mistake" :lol:
 
jillio said:
So, prior to these revisions, discharge had been instituted on the basis of sexual orientation? Actual pics are not hearsay, and the confidentiality clause doesn't apply to this case either. We aren't talking about doctors or therapists or clergy revealing what was said in a confidential situation.
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in this case - this incident happened after the revision.

btw - it said "... such as..." so it's not just about doctors/therapists/clergy because these are a confidential source. That "such as...." is simply to clarify the gray area.
 
netrox said:
...However, military has a long history of discharging people soley for homosexuality. That's why we got San Franscico... the military dumped gays there and it became the gay capital....
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Huh? The military doesn't "dump gays" anywhere. All military service members are given one-way tickets or cash equivalent back to their homes of record upon discharge, regardless of reason for the discharge.
 
jillio said:
It can be safely assumed that, if his paperwork stated the reason as bringing his phone into a restricted area, that he would not have voluntarily stated in an interview that he was guilty of such, or his lawsuit would automatically have no foundation and would be thrown out. You have to look beyond just the fact that he took his cell phone into a restricted area and have answers to some of the questions I have pointed out.
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I'm not sure what "paperwork" you're referring to but in the case of his DD 214 (Report of Separation) it won't show anything other than a general category reason for discharge. Descriptive details are not allowed.
 
Reba said:
Huh? The military doesn't "dump gays" anywhere. All military service members are given one-way tickets or cash equivalent back to their homes of record upon discharge, regardless of reason for the discharge.
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Reba said:
I'm not sure what "paperwork" you're referring to but in the case of his DD 214 (Report of Separation) it won't show anything other than a general category reason for discharge. Descriptive details are not allowed.
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That's interesting, I prefer to trust you more than Jillio or Netrox because you already serve in military and have much knowledge in military.

Thank you for support to serve our country, I think it is my first time to say to you. :ty:
 
Foxrac said:
..Thank you for support to serve our country, I think it is my first time to say to you. :ty:
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Thank you very much. :)

Please remember all our veterans on Nov. 11. That is Veterans Day, and it's coming up soon.

And yes, I include appreciation for the service of all veterans, no matter their sexual orientation.
 
Next week is always a big week for my Marine buddy. Veterans day, Marine Corp B-day. and the anniversary of her enlistment. All in the same week.
 
when I said, "dump" i meant that they discharged them and sent them to SF to process out. Naturally, a lot were embarrassed so they stayed there rather to come home.
 
Reba said:
I'm not sure what "paperwork" you're referring to but in the case of his DD 214 (Report of Separation) it won't show anything other than a general category reason for discharge. Descriptive details are not allowed.
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And what would that general category be? Either way, it would have to support the supposed reason for discharge that the military is claiming, or support the reason that the victim is claiming. And if this becomes a discrimination case, the court will ask for details.
 
jillio said:
And what would that general category be? Either way, it would have to support the supposed reason for discharge that the military is claiming, or support the reason that the victim is claiming. And if this becomes a discrimination case, the court will ask for details.
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The general narrative of separation reason would be such as UNSUITABILITY, MISCONDUCT, EXPIRATION OF TERM OF ENLISTMENT; WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF EXPIRATION OF ENLISTMENT; RELEASED FROM ACTIVE DUTY AND TRANSFERRED TO FLEET RESERVE; UNSUITABILITY; ENTRY LEVEL SEPARATION.

Reenlistment codes are more specific:

RE CODES
USN/USMC, RE-1
Recommended for reenlistment
USN/USMC, RE-1A
Eligible for reenlistment.
USN/USMC, RE-2
Ineligible for reenlistment. Recommended for
reenlistment but ineligible because of status: Fleet
Reservist Retired (except for transfer to TDRL),
Commissioned Officer. Warrant 0fficer, Midshipman,
Cadet.
USN/USMC, RE-3A
Failure to meet area aptitude prerequisites. Fully
qualified for enlistment, provided mental criteria of
table 2-1 are met. Alien.
USN/USMC, RE-3B
Restricted assignment. Parenthood. Pregnancy.
USN/USMC, RE-3C
Reenlistment authorized by CMC only. Ineligible for
enlistment, unless waiver is granted. Conscientious
Objector.
USN/USMC, RE-3D
Failure to meet disciplinary standards. Ineligible for
enlistment, unless waiver is granted. Demonstrated
dependency or hardship not meeting criteria specified in
Bupersman article C-10308.
USN/USMC, RE-3E
Failure to meet education prerequisites. Fully qualified
for enlistment provided education criteria is met.
Erroneous induction.
USN/USMC, RE-3F
Erroneous enlistment.
USN/USMC, RE-3G
Condition (not physical disability) interfering with
performance of duty.
USN/USMC, RE-3H
Hardship
USN/USMC, RE-3K
Disenrolled From Naval Academy, not considered
qualified for enlisted status.
USN/USMC, RE-3M
Marriage.
USN/USMC, RE-3N
Importance to national health, safety or interest.
USN/USMC, RE-3P
Physical disability (includes discharge and transfer to
TDRL). Obesity. Motion sickness. Disqualified for
officer candidate training.
USN/USMC, RE-3R
Rank reappointment restriction. Ineligible for reenlist
unless waivered
USN/USCG, RE-3R
Professional growth criteria. Ineligible for reenlist unless
waivered
USN/USMC, RE-3S
Sole surviving son.
USN/USMC, RE-3T
Overweight
USN/USMC, RE-3U
Minority
USN/USMC, RE-4
Not recommended for reenlistment
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That's about it for "details" on the DD 214.

If he has a discrimination case, he'll have to use other than his separation document (DD 214) for evidence.
 
Foxrac said:
That's interesting, I prefer to trust you more than Jillio or Netrox because you already serve in military and have much knowledge in military.

Thank you for support to serve our country, I think it is my first time to say to you. :ty:
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WOW!! What a great compliment! Trust is certainly earned!
 
Reba said:
The general narrative of separation reason would be such as UNSUITABILITY, MISCONDUCT, EXPIRATION OF TERM OF ENLISTMENT; WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF EXPIRATION OF ENLISTMENT; RELEASED FROM ACTIVE DUTY AND TRANSFERRED TO FLEET RESERVE; UNSUITABILITY; ENTRY LEVEL SEPARATION.

Reenlistment codes are more specific:



That's about it for "details" on the DD 214.

If he has a discrimination case, he'll have to use other than his separation document (DD 214) for evidence.
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He will no doubt need other evidence as well as is DD 214. If the other evidence contradicts the category listed on the DD 214, or vice versa, it will be to his advantage.
 
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