Report details alleged assault at MSD

Given the fact that most deaf kids don't even attend a deaf school as a day student or a residential student, I question that "most" as well. "Most" hearing parents don't learn sign, no matter where their deaf child attends school. And since the LRE determines where a child is educated, unless the parent wants to go through due process, it is not easy to get the home district to send a deaf child to a school for the deaf. It is a battle to get a child sent to a deaf school from the home district.

It seems like many ADers here think mainstreaming is better than deaf schools. Yea, I was bullied while mainstreamed and even got my hand slammed big time nearly breaking it with a school locker door. Wonderful, heh?
 
Public school such as this one... also have committed such crimes...

Deputies: Four teens raped another in Walker Middle School locker room - St. Petersburg Times


Sad to say more common than people think.. not only in residential schools....


Deputies: Four teens raped another in Walker Middle School locker room






Lee Louis Myers, 14

Raymond A. Price-Murray, 14

Diemante J. Roberts, 15

Randall John Moye, 14




TAMPA — Four Walker Middle School students raped a 13-year-old classmate with a broom handle and a hockey stick last week in a campus locker room, deputies said Friday.

The boy identified his attackers, and investigators arrested four students at the school on Wednesday.

The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office identified the suspects as Randall John Moye, 14; Raymond A. Price-Murray, 14; Lee Louis Myers, 14; and Diemante J. Roberts, 15.

Assistant State Attorney Pam Bondi said the four will be charged as adults. All face charges of sexual battery and false imprisonment.

"It is sad, so sad," the victim's mother said, eyes glistening as she leaned her head against the door of her family's Carrollwood area home.

"You expect your child to be safe at school."

The Times is not identifying the victim or his mother because of the nature of the crime. The mother said the school advised her not to discuss the incident until she had retained a lawyer.

"I want to protect him," she said. "It's so private."

The teens continually harassed and picked on the boy between March 15 and May 5, sheriff's spokeswoman Vida Morgan said.

On April 30, two teens held the victim down while the other two sexually battered him, deputies said.

All five teens were in the locker room to get ready for an interscholastic flag football team practice, said school spokesman Stephen Hegarty.

He said the school had been investigating another bullying incident Tuesday involving the boy when they learned of the sex assault allegations.

"What I'm told by the principal is that we learned there was a bullying incident Tuesday after school," he said. "That's what we were involved in Wednesday when some of these details came out. That's when we notified the (school resource officer)."

Hegarty said he didn't know why the victim was targeted.

All four suspects were being held in a juvenile assessment center. Their parents declined interview requests.

Price-Murray's mother, Lenshawn Price, is a Clearwater police officer. "I have no comment," she said. "I have no comment whatsoever."

A woman at the Myers family residence referred a reporter to an attorney, who did not return phone calls.

Moye's father, Randall Moye, hung up the phone twice.

Roberts' family could not be reached for comment.

School district spokeswoman Linda Cobbe initially said she thought only one person had been supervising the after-school program, but later said she was unsure about that.

Hegarty said there's no district policy specific to locker room supervision. "When you're on a school campus, there's an expectation of supervision," he said. "We're checking into everything about this."

In Hernando County, at least one teacher, coach or aide — preferably two — must be in the locker room if students are present.

Walker parents received a phone message from principal Kathleen Hoffman indicating that four male students had been arrested. The message did not tell them why.

"Currently, those students are not at Walker and will not return to Walker unless their legal issues are resolved," she said in the message. "The details of the situation are confidential, but I want to assure our parents that we are doing all we can to make sure our students are safe."

Parent Martin Dinella heard the news from a reporter. "It's awfully disturbing," he said. "There should have been some supervision. This is not what you want to hear."

His son, Justin, an eighth-grader, said he was in a history class with Moye. He was in math and history classes with Myers.

He said Moye jokes around a lot. "They're okay kids," he said. "I didn't think they'd do something like that."

Another student, seventh-grader Kyle Sneed, said, "It's kind of surprising, 'cause almost everyone here is really good to us.''

Betty Kinsey of Tampa said she worked with suspect Raymond Price-Murray through a mentoring program for teen boys run by her sorority, Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.

"He is a gifted, well-mannered child, an A student,'' she said.

In his LeClare Shores subdivision, a middle class neighborhood near Northdale, neighbors were stunned to hear of the charges.

"I don't believe it unless there's some proof or unless he said he did it," said Mary Ebel, 51, a Progress Energy wireless engineer who lives in the adjoining duplex. "I can't picture Raymond doing anything like that. He's a sweet young man, a caring young man."

Several neighbors said the teen would offer to help carry in groceries and always said hello as he rode his bike. Tall and thin, Price-Murray is reserved and respectful, they said, with a gentle, peaceful manner.

"He's always smiling and always very polite," said Nichole Schatzman, 30, a stay-at-home mom who lives across the street. Told of the charges, she covered her mouth with both hands. "I'm shocked at this," she said. "I'm actually speechless. I really am."

Neighbors in Myers' neighborhood near Lake Josephine and Rock Lake were also taken aback.

"It's very surprising," said Cherri Prince, 40, an advertising director who lives a few doors away. The Myers family lives in a half-million-dollar home on a large lot with frontage on both lakes.

Prince said she bought her home only a few months ago, and doesn't know Lee Louis Myers, but she described the parents as "very nice" and helpful.

Staff writers Kevin Graham, Colleen Jenkins, Robbyn Mitchell, Marlene Sokol and Rodney Thrash contributed to this report.


Rapes and bullies and other horrendous acts are known in schools. regardless... of being in a residential school or day school.
 
It seems like many ADers here think mainstreaming is better than deaf schools. Yea, I was bullied while mainstreamed and even got my hand slammed big time nearly breaking it with a school locker door. Wonderful, heh?

Oh, yeah! I've seen first hand what happens to deaf kids in the mainstream. It ain't pretty.:cool2:
 
Forgive me for promoting responsible parenting.
 
Forgive me for promoting responsible parenting.

We all want responsible parenting but the point is, too many children are born under irresponsible parents. Doesnt matter if they are deaf or hearing. The thing is the schools are overburdened with taking over the parental roles whether public or deaf schools lately.
 
Forgive me for promoting responsible parenting.


Anyone can be a responsible parent... But the parent also has to understand a child will still act in a certain way.. Parents teach children to be good and do certain things.. but parents also can not control every aspect of what their child does. Especially when they get a certain age..

I have seen a preachers child get in so much trouble with the law... and such.. regardless of her upbringing.
 
But at least if a child has experienced responsible parenting, there is no question as to whether or not they know right from wrong.
 
But at least if a child has experienced responsible parenting, there is no question as to whether or not they know right from wrong.

Not always...
 
But at least if a child has experienced responsible parenting, there is no question as to whether or not they know right from wrong.


That is the problem.. Most kids do know from right from wrong.. that is why they should be prosecuted to the fullest.

Unless they can cry insanity..or a mental illness.

What I am saying it is I attended to a residential school ... that does not make me incompetent, or my parents lacking in their parental skills. My parents were there for me. regardless.

They are also some kids that go to a public school daily also lack in parental skills.. Kids go home... to an empty house or parents that drinks and do drugs.. and often not fed.. etc..

See my point?
 
It seems like many ADers here think mainstreaming is better than deaf schools. Yea, I was bullied while mainstreamed and even got my hand slammed big time nearly breaking it with a school locker door. Wonderful, heh?

Wow. So I am not the only one that had that happened in middle school?

I remember a TA from the Special Needs department got ticked off that I wasn't going to class when the bell rung while I was talking to an interpreter during lunch break...

Got picked up and slammed against the locker. The interpreter was mortified. Thank God that person got dismissed.
 
That is the problem.. Most kids do know from right from wrong.. that is why they should be prosecuted to the fullest.

Unless they can cry insanity..or a mental illness.

What I am saying it is I attended to a residential school ... that does not make me incompetent, or my parents lacking in their parental skills. My parents were there for me. regardless.

They are also some kids that go to a public school daily also lack in parental skills.. Kids go home... to an empty house or parents that drinks and do drugs.. and often not fed.. etc..

See my point?

I went home to an empty house since 5th grade because my parents got divorced and my mom could no longer stay home. Thank god nothing happened to me. Looking back, I cant believe how much I was unsupervised and nothing happened. Scary!
 
I went home to an empty house since 5th grade because my parents got divorced and my mom could no longer stay home. Thank god nothing happened to me. Looking back, I cant believe how much I was unsupervised and nothing happened. Scary!



OMG!!!!.... You were unsupervised!!!!... :naughty:



In reality.. A lot of kids go home to an empty house... One of the reasons why I think residential schools are great..

It is not just Deaf Schools that are residential.. Many privately paid schools are as well.
 
OMG!!!!.... You were unsupervised!!!!... :naughty:



In reality.. A lot of kids go home to an empty house... One of the reasons why I think residential schools are great..

It is not just Deaf Schools that are residential.. Many privately paid schools are as well.

Yea, my mom did send my brother and I to an after-school care at first but the kids there bullied us to the point that my brother would tremble badly each time we arrived there.
 
Yea, my mom did send my brother and I to an after-school care at first but the kids there bullied us to the point that my brother would tremble badly each time we arrived there.

Jeez, Shel!....Were you living in a bad neighborhood?...I do know these things happen to kids, even adults.....and sorry it affected you and ur bro like this. My 13 yr old gets picked on and called a "nerd" becuz he's so smart and honor society. Used to make him upset, but now he takes up for himself! Most kids have to grow up fast. Even when I went to public school and was HOH, I got picked on. Hurt a lot! And I also got into some fights over it...after awhile, it stopped and they started picking on somebody else. Kids can be cruel!
 
Jeez, Shel!....Were you living in a bad neighborhood?...I do know these things happen to kids, even adults.....and sorry it affected you and ur bro like this. My 13 yr old gets picked on and called a "nerd" becuz he's so smart and honor society. Used to make him upset, but now he takes up for himself! Most kids have to grow up fast. Even when I went to public school and was HOH, I got picked on. Hurt a lot! And I also got into some fights over it...after awhile, it stopped and they started picking on somebody else. Kids can be cruel!

No, we didn't live in a bad neighborhood. Just middle class suburban area. Bullying happens at all socio-economic levels.
 
Residential school deprives many parents from being active participants in their child's daily lives and lending guidance. Same can not be said for those public school rapists.
What about the kids who DON'T have good parents? It really pisses me off when people assume that ALL parents have awesome parenting abilty/skills/resources.
Sorry, but I have seen so many parents whose kids would be better off at a residental school. A residental school CAN provide a very healthy loving community. Yes, its not like being blood related...........but come on.
Also, I think this may have more to do with Yah Dude/Douchbag/ Arrgonent Jock/Dumbass behavior rather then res school vs public school behavoir.
 
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