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I'm glad that you don't have a problem with it. But, not necessarily directed at you, I do find it sad that any deaf child's options would be limited, and that "force" has anything to do with language acquisition. Just a question, though--and this isn't intended as rude, but I am curious--if you were not exposed to any sign, how is it that you know that your preference was for oral. In order to have a preference, one has to have an option to compare it to.

I had developed a fundamental understanding at the age of 3 of reading and language comprehension. When they first discovered, I had a hearing problem in kindergarten. I was sent to a deaf school for a short period of three months for 1st grade. I barely remember this. Reviewing the paperwork written by the teachers of the deaf school, sign language confused me and hindered my learning curve of the English language. My parents actively participated in learning sign language, so it was not an issue of my parents being indolent in my education. The deaf school suggested I would be better off mainstreamed. So the latter was offered and my opinion is corroborated.
 
Not that this was directed at me, lol, but I don't think there are too many people who get to experience sign and speech in absolutely equal amounts right from the very beginnning to ever be able to have an unbiased comparison.

If oral is what you started out with, I think it's natural that your preference would be for the familiar. Same thing goes with sign. If you started out with sign, it would be natural to gravitate towards what you know. So by the time you DO have exposure to both, you would most likely be biased towards what you are used to over the new.

Well, familiar doesn't necessarily = preference. There are many out there who are exposed to both from early on. And being exposed to both is necessary to develop a preference. Even those deaf who were exposed to oral only as children, and learned sign as an adult will have a preference for sign. But then, you are doing a TC placement, aren't you?
 
I had developed a fundamental understanding at the age of 3 of reading and language comprehension. When they first discovered, I had a hearing problem in kindergarten. I was sent to a deaf school for a short period of three months for 1st grade. I barely remember this. Reviewing the paperwork written by the teachers of the deaf school, sign language confused me and hindered my learning curve of the English language. My parents actively participated in learning sign language, so it was not an issue of my parents being indolent in my education. The deaf school suggested I would be better off mainstreamed. So the latter was offered and my opinion is corroborated.

Aplogies. I was going off of your earlier post that said you had not been exposed to sign and knew no other deaf people. And as your hearing problems were not discovered until kindergarten, chances are very good that your difficulties began post lingually.
 
I had developed a fundamental understanding at the age of 3 of reading and language comprehension. When they first discovered, I had a hearing problem in kindergarten. I was sent to a deaf school for a short period of three months for 1st grade. I barely remember this. Reviewing the paperwork written by the teachers of the deaf school, sign language confused me and hindered my learning curve of the English language. My parents actively participated in learning sign language, so it was not an issue of my parents being indolent in my education. The deaf school suggested I would be better off mainstreamed. So the latter was offered and my opinion is corroborated.

That's so great of your parents to be willing to learn sign language and the teachers of the deaf school recognizing your needs rather than their needs. You had the opportunity of both and showed your preference of which educational approach worked better for u. :)

I did show an interest in sign language when I was in elementary school due to my struggles in keeping up wtih the class discussions and lessons but that interest was denied so quickly by the oral specialists.
 
Well, familiar doesn't necessarily = preference. There are many out there who are exposed to both from early on. And being exposed to both is necessary to develop a preference. Even those deaf who were exposed to oral only as children, and learned sign as an adult will have a preference for sign. But then, you are doing a TC placement, aren't you?

I would think there are many more out there who aren't. Since most deaf children are born to hearing parents (who undoubtedly have no signing background) it is not possible for the deaf child to get equal amounts of exposure to both signing and speech right from the get go. It takes time to learn sign, and until a parent is fluent in it, the scale is going to be tilted more towards speech. And vice versa for a child born to deaf parents (and even harder to go this way because a hearing parent can learn sign, but the deaf parent can't learn speech if they don't already have it).

I never said that it wasn't necessary to be exposed to both to develop a preference, only that most people are already going to be biased towards one or the other (for the above reason).

And to say that a deaf person who learns sign as an adult is going to prefer sign (after oral only exposure as a child) is a pretty bold statement. Are there statistics to back that one up?

Yes, we are doing sign with a CI. But I can tell you, Abby's preference is very much for oral. She has already told me that she doesn't want to sign anymore because she can hear again (mind you, she has very poor discrimination at the moment, but that, apparently, is good enough for her). I plan on keeping with it, because I feel it will help her in the long run, but that is my preference, not hers!
 
I would think there are many more out there who aren't. Since most deaf children are born to hearing parents (who undoubtedly have no signing background) it is not possible for the deaf child to get equal amounts of exposure to both signing and speech right from the get go. It takes time to learn sign, and until a parent is fluent in it, the scale is going to be tilted more towards speech. And vice versa for a child born to deaf parents (and even harder to go this way because a hearing parent can learn sign, but the deaf parent can't learn speech if they don't already have it).
Theoretically, I'll have to concede that your points are valid. However, with the diagnosis coming in at younger and younger ages, the parent can develop fluency along with the child, and studies have shown that even when exposed to less than fluent models, the child will develop fluency greater than his models. And, if a child is diagnosed in infancy, the language models to not have to be grammatically and syntactically correct for the child to acquire the language. Just think how many hearing arents talk to their hearing children in shortened sentences, mispronounced words, and incorrect sytax. "See doggie?" is hardly proper English, but the kids pick up on grammatical rules and syntactical rules anyway. It took me quite a while to achieve what I would call fluency in ASL, but in the interim, I had my son around several ASL native signers and their children to fill in the gaps. That also improved my signing skills much more quickly than had I simply relied on classes. At the same time, my son was wearing bi-naural HAs, and attending AVT 4 times a week, so he was getting the oral side as well. And I know quite a few CODAs who were exposed to ASL via their parents, but had equal exposure to spoken English via other family members, siblings, playmates, etc. and were therefore fluent in both languages at an early age. It's not impossible.

I never said that it wasn't necessary to be exposed to both to develop a preference, only that most people are already going to be biased towards one or the other (for the above reason).

If that is the case, then hearing children of deaf parents who are ASLers would have a lifetime preference for sign.

And to say that a deaf person who learns sign as an adult is going to prefer sign (after oral only exposure as a child) is a pretty bold statement. Are there statistics to back that one up?

There are posters on this board that prefer sign to speech even though they grew up in an oral environment. And the Gallaudet campus is full of oral deaf who didn't learn sign until they arrived at the campus, yet now, once having learned it, have developed a preference for ASL. As most college freshman are 18-19 years old, I would consider them to be adults. I personally know of several students tht my son went to school with, someof them CI users, who were mainstreamed until their high school school years and didn't learn sign until coming to the school for the deaf, that will now use oral communication when they have to, but much prefer signed communication.

Yes, we are doing sign with a CI. But I can tell you, Abby's preference is very much for oral. She has already told me that she doesn't want to sign anymore because she can hear again (mind you, she has very poor discrimination at the moment, but that, apparently, is good enough for her). I plan on keeping with it, because I feel it will help her in the long run, but that is my preference, not hers!

It's good to know that you are using sign with your daughter. And just because she is able to hear you doesn't mean you need to give it up. Simply combine the two. The poor discrimination would be justification for that, in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way telling you what to do in regard to raising your daughter. I'm simply sharing experience I have gained over the last 20 years, both professionally and personally. Take it for what you will.
 
But I can tell you, Abby's preference is very much for oral. She has already told me that she doesn't want to sign anymore because she can hear again (mind you, she has very poor discrimination at the moment, but that, apparently, is good enough for her). I plan on keeping with it, because I feel it will help her in the long run,
YES!!! That is awesome. There are some kids out there who when introduced to Sign and speech as part of an EI program, consciously choose speech.
When that happens I think even the most hardcore Deafie wouldn't have a problem with that.
Continue on with it.........make Sign fun........be like "hey look! If someone can't understand a word that you're saying, you can sign it!" "You can have a conversation without your CI!" Sometimes kids with disabilites don't want to use things that may have the stigma of being branded "special needs" (like my friend used to be SO stubborn about not using a wheelchair b/c she saw it as "unabling", or canes for blind folks or fill in the blank with whatever disabilty and "adaptive equiptment or methods")
Really really make it fun..........she may change her mind about using sign when she's older. A lot of kids do. Is she exposed to adults who Sign? Are you guys involved in the local Deaf community? Help her see that its OK to use sign............It could be that she is definitly oral (and there are some kids like that) but you wanna make sure that she's not just saying that b/c she sees ASL as having a stigma.
 
And to say that a deaf person who learns sign as an adult is going to prefer sign (after oral only exposure as a child) is a pretty bold statement. Are there statistics to back that one up?

I never got to a stage of sign proficiency, but I do have and have had friends who grew up orally but later learned sign to a good level, partly as they worked in the deaf industry. I don't think the majority of them would say that they "prefer sign" though. I think they valued their sign skills but they also really enjoyed communicating orally and hearing sounds. They just acted as if they were bilingual. One friend I can think of who said she much prefered signing but the interesting thing was that she had a pretty small hearing loss compared to the others.

I think that everyone is just different. I am sure there are plenty of orally raised people out there who now "prefer" sign but it doesn't go across the board.
 
I never got to a stage of sign proficiency, but I do have and have had friends who grew up orally but later learned sign to a good level, partly as they worked in the deaf industry. I don't think the majority of them would say that they "prefer sign" though. I think they valued their sign skills but they also really enjoyed communicating orally and hearing sounds. They just acted as if they were bilingual. One friend I can think of who said she much prefered signing but the interesting thing was that she had a pretty small hearing loss compared to the others.

I think that everyone is just different. I am sure there are plenty of orally raised people out there who now "prefer" sign but it doesn't go across the board.

Of course it doesn't apply across the board, but there are enough of them to make the number significant, and therefore, something that should be considered.
 
Grew up orally, learned sign at the age of 28..now 35 years old and use sign about 95 to 99% of the time. I prefer signing cuz I dont have to "work" at communicating with others when signing so it is such a relief to have that burden lifted off my shoulders. :)
 
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