Psychology Today Hit Piece Labels Conspiracy Thinking A Psychotic Illness

Jiro said:
whoa there, grummer! calmate! lot of therapists/counselors/psychologists do not have direct experience with the trauma but quite a handful of them do a damn good job counseling the victims/patients.

You ask - how can they effectively help people without having direct experience with the situation?
Answer - that's why they were intensively trained mostly by shadowing and tons of hand-on experience along with mentoring and in-depth education based on thousand years of knowledge & experience in human history.

IMO - I feel that therapists/counselors/psychologists cannot effectively counsel the patients/victims if they have direct experience with the situation because they will most likely be biased or even stray from the path. and that will cause harm to patient/victim. just IMO.....
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You are absolutely correct that too close a relationship and/or experience can ruin the objectivity that is mandatory to treat effectively. One of the reasons we do not take family members or friends as clients, and why the code of ethics strictly forbids dual relationships.
 
jillio said:
Then why all the posting about, no you didn't use that word, but what you really meant was....?:cool2: What I really meant is what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.
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well, this doesn't discount the fact you DID used the word 'afraid' and indeed you are the one likely to be attaching the meaning to it since YOU brought it up not me. Dont lie. Id be very careful if I were you.
enough said.

I wont bother returning to this thread, its just a waste of time.
 
Grummer said:
well, this doesn't discount the fact you DID used the word 'afraid' and indeed you are the one likely to be attaching the meaning to it since YOU brought it up not me. Dont lie...
.... Id be very careful if I were you.
enough said.
I wont return to this thread, its just a waste of time, psychologists are one [messed] up breeds all they do is praise or blame the individuals without ANY account for societal effects on people....
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Negative experience? I have never went to a psychologist that blame individuals, so I am guessing you're not seeing the right one?

And beside what are psychologists suppose to do to change society? All they can do is give the individual tools to cope with society's current state. Psychologists don't change society. It's impossible if it's on a client-to-client basis. If you really want to change how people think or treat others, you need a mass audience. Psychologists don't have an audience other than among themselves..

People who write or direct films are more likely to to reach out than a bunch of doctorates.
 
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I think some people can successfully come out of their trauma and become therapists and some can't. It all depends on the person.
 
souggy said:
Negative experience? I have never went to a psychologist that blame individuals, so I am guessing you're not seeing the right one?

And beside what are psychologists suppose to do to change society? All they can do is give the individual tools to cope with society's current state. Psychologists don't change society. It's impossible if it's on a client-to-client basis. If you really want to change how people think or treat others, you need a mass audience. Psychologists don't have an audience other than among themselves..

People who write or direct films are more likely to to reach out than a bunch of doctorates.
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I dont see any, dont want to, and dont need to.

and yes you're somewhat right about film makers tend to have more impact than shrinks due to the number people in audience. then again, some psychological tools has been used in mass media, of course occassionally some films have been described as 'psychological' especially thrillers, suspense or mixed genre films. This is beyond the discussion of this thread, and I am not familiar with it myself (psychological approaches in film-making).
 
souggy said:
Negative experience? I have never went to a psychologist that blame individuals, so I am guessing you're not seeing the right one?

And beside what are psychologists suppose to do to change society? All they can do is give the individual tools to cope with society's current state. Psychologists don't change society. It's impossible if it's on a client-to-client basis. If you really want to change how people think or treat others, you need a mass audience. Psychologists don't have an audience other than among themselves..

People who write or direct films are more likely to to reach out than a bunch of doctorates.
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Guess Grum never heard of the sub-specialties of social psychology or organizational and industrial psychology.:shrug: And even the clinical psychologists I know are very aware of and take into account environmental influences on the manifestation of disorders.
 
Grummer said:
well, this doesn't discount the fact you DID used the word 'afraid' and indeed you are the one likely to be attaching the meaning to it since YOU brought it up not me. Dont lie. Id be very careful if I were you.
enough said.

I wont bother returning to this thread, its just a waste of time.
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Ad hominem attacks and threats simply because you don't like my profession? That's beneath you, Grummer. I thought you prefered intellectual discussions.
 
jillio, just curious. What's your exact profession? I know you're in the mental health profession, but are you a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a social worker?
 
CJB said:
jillio, just curious. What's your exact profession? I know you're in the mental health profession, but are you a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a social worker?
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Counseling psychology.
 
CJB said:
I think some people can successfully come out of their trauma and become therapists and some can't. It all depends on the person.
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I couldn't agree more. I've experienced several kinds of trauma in my life, but that isn't preventing me from entering the field of social work/counseling. I also have other challenges. However, they will not prevent me from attaining my goals. Some of the best counselors, social workers, etc. in their field have experienced similiar issues to the clients they treat (excluding friends/family).
 
Hear Again said:
I couldn't agree more. I've experienced several kinds of trauma in my life, but that isn't preventing me from entering the field of social work/counseling. I also have other challenges. However, they will not prevent me from attaining my goals. Some of the best counselors, social workers, etc. in their field have experienced similiar issues to the clients they treat (excluding friends/family).
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It most certainly can be an asset, but it can also be a liability if it interferes with objectivity. Even though the therapist may have had the same or similar experiences does not mean that they processed it or dealt with it or were affected by it in the same way the client is, nor that the the solution that was best for the therapist will also be the one that is best for that particular client. We must constantly strive to maintain objectivity. Transference and counter-transference can be a useful therapeutic tool, but it can also be dangerous for both client and therapist unless objectivity is maintained.
 
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