Pro-life advocate murdered in Michigan

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It is beyond me why some men seem to think they have ownership of women's uteruses.
 
CJB said:
The decision should be hers. I don't think a baby being the result of rape automatically makes them filthy. They are still their own human being if they're born and are born as innocent as the rest of us. It's the perpetrator who is the filthy human being.

However, whether or not the mother has the baby should be her choice and hers only.
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But hey, conservatives say the magic number, "18!" :)
 
jillio said:
Actually, Roe v Wade was decided based on right to privacy of medical treatment. I don't see it being overturned by a bunch of emotional zealots who place a fertilized egg over the life of a living breathing human being.

But I also would ask, could you sit through the situation I described and not feel emotion and empathy for the victim? I think not. No one with a heart could.
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yes but if we all are being emotional, this Roe v Wade case would never see the light. the abortion was banned as the result of law based on emotion. the science and logic has overturned that law.
 
Jiro said:
yes but if we all are being emotional, this Roe v Wade case would never see the light. the abortion was banned as the result of law based on emotion. the science and logic has overturned that law.
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Exactly.
 
netrox said:
But hey, conservatives say the magic number, "18!" :)
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Even if she can't legally make the decision herself, whoever is should discuss with her what she wants to do. It's her baby, and it's her that was raped.
 
jillio said:
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I wonder if they would willingly surrender their testicles to me?
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:lol:

I think it even goes beyond gender. A mother shouldn't have the say what happens to her daughter's baby. No one should have control over anyone's body, male or female.
 
CJB said:
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I think it even goes beyond gender. A mother shouldn't have the say what happens to her daughter's baby. No one should have control over anyone's body, male or female.
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Correct. I was simply referring to the males that seem to think it is their duty to take control over a woman's uterus. How about letting us control their testicles for awhile. I don't imagine they would be up for the exchange.
 
sallylou said:
Yizuman, this is about control over women's bodies. Whether you have the right to impose your beliefs on women. It's not some abstract moral discussion to me. It's control over my body and reproductive decisions.

You have no clue how much male privilege you have, but I know. You don't have to worry about going out alone at night, if you dress is too provocative so that you won't be inviting rape, whether you can trust a guy enough to let him in your apartment for a drink of water, etc. Women deal with these issues daily. Men have raped many of us here. Women don't talk about it because they are afraid of being perceived as a victim, or worse not believed. I've been followed my strange men in my car. I've been harassed on the street when I did not invite any attention. That's not about sex, that's about power. It's not some abstract discussion. Then, you tell women that if you do get raped, then you must carry that rapist's baby. Where is the compassion?
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well-said, sallylou. 3 of my female friends confided in me and only me that nobody even their boyfriends or families or best friends knew about it. They were raped by their male friends... whom they said they knew them for a long time. Fortunately enough - they were not pregnant as the result of it.

My blood boiled as I listened to their stories but has to try very hard to maintain my composure.
 
CJB said:
Even if she can't legally make the decision herself, whoever is should discuss with her what she wants to do. It's her baby, and it's her that was raped.
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I would like to agree with that but I would prefer that most teens (especially 14 years old) to not give birth because of high likelihood of dying from birth complication... if not, a life hardship because of financial & emotional difficulty to raise one because a young girl may not be old enough to understand that.

but yes - it's up to them and their parents on how they want to proceed with it... along with their doctors' recommendations.
 
Jiro, you're a good friend. I'm sure that your friends appreciate that they could confide in you. Friendships like that are invaluable.
 
Jiro said:
I would like to agree with that but I would prefer that most teens (especially 14 years old) to not give birth because of high likelihood of dying from birth complication... if not, a life hardship because of financial & emotional difficulty to raise one because a young girl may not be old enough to understand that.

but yes - it's up to them and their parents on how they want to proceed with it... along with their doctors' recommendations.
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I agree in that I hope would hope that's her decision although I still feel strongly that it is her decision. Her parents should talk to her about the implications of each choice but ultimately the choice should be hers.
 
I want to be the blue mohawk chick! :laugh2:
 
I use my mom's computer...

but but but what is doing with pro life vs. pro choice? I thought it is about pro-lifer's death, not wars of choice vs. life?

Boy... I think I see so many fireworks in here! :shock:
 
sallylou said:
Yizuman, this is about control over women's bodies. Whether you have the right to impose your beliefs on women. It's not some abstract moral discussion to me. It's control over my body and reproductive decisions.

You have no clue how much male privilege you have, but I know. You don't have to worry about going out alone at night, if you dress is too provocative so that you won't be inviting rape, whether you can trust a guy enough to let him in your apartment for a drink of water, etc. Women deal with these issues daily. Men have raped many of us here. Women don't talk about it because they are afraid of being perceived as a victim, or worse not believed. I've been followed my strange men in my car. I've been harassed on the street when I did not invite any attention. That's not about sex, that's about power. It's not some abstract discussion. Then, you tell women that if you do get raped, then you must carry that rapist's baby. Where is the compassion?
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Agreed...
 
sallylou said:
Jiro, you're a good friend. I'm sure that your friends appreciate that they could confide in you. Friendships like that are invaluable.
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:ty:

what made me ssssooooo furious inside me is that their male friends took advantage of them because of their "close" friendship and they automatically assumed she will just go along with it :mad2:

Pedophile is on my #1 shit list. Betrayal is next on the list. :mad2:
 
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