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slavery is human system and no right for free.. who is worst suffering, painful, beating for long years by years? It was Black people.. You would say me what about jewish. I dont give a fuck about jew things.. Nazi never sold jews to world for slave. Yes one place who sold black people as slaves to the world for years and years than jew did.. I m anti jew things.. i support NAZI'S IDEA against jew.. Can i ask you that question: did HILTER OR NAZI came to africa to kill all africans out of africa? why they perferred kill jews out of germany included western europe instead of africa?netrox said:
Cloggy, you rawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's always been one of my favorite books!
Oh, and back when slavery existed they used the Bible to justify it. God, even Christian Identity and Southren Baptist used the Bible to justify racism!!!!! The Bible has been used to justify so much crap it's not even funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I find it interesting that I provide a comment that DOESN'T take an exteme one way or the other and it gets ignored. What IS it about this board that polarizes people to such a degree???
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I noticed something is not right so by after you (netrox about the creation. As you use KJV now this is same meaning but translatin from Contemporary Englsih Version 1 Chron. 16:30 " ......The world stand firm. Never to be shaken." Ps. 93:1 "......You put the world in place, and it will never be moved." (means out of place) Ps. 96:10 ".......The world stands firm, never be shaken........" Now about the creation the difference in day 1 and day 4. On day 1 when create light and darkness, that's when you notice that is made appear, but day 4 made visible. Sun, moon and stars was started before the earth been made. Now, as of 1st day, its appears to be vapor causes light diffused as of clouds, on day 4 to mae it visible, did you realize if its cloudy in lifetime, what plants and animals and people would happen? So if its cloudy will be gloomy if its persist, but when appear as it said two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and lesser light rule the night. Notice when cloud cover at day time then sudden sun comes out make it greater light and cloud cover at night is darker than moonshine? Clouds you will not see sun and moon and stars. But God wouldn't give every detail how it was made, but when God speak, there it is, noticed how long does it create each on a day, why? What scientist found atom, nuetron and etc. Nothing is outside of God's creation.
Rose Immortal said:
Hahaha... you're pretty observant, aren't you?
The sad reality is that you need to be polarized to get attention.
If you're being diplomatic, people don't really care. If you're being opinionated and offend some people's beliefs, they will get upset and defend themselves. That's human nature.
hottiedeafboi said:
Hmm... didn't you once say that JKV is the most accurate transliteration? Or was it Heath?
Exodus supported eye for eye, tooth for tooth, and so forth but it's inconsistent, it just doesn't apply to slaves except if the slave is killed. For example, if the slave survives beating, the owner won't be punished but if the owner beats his eye or mouth, the slave is free to go... hardly an eye for eye punishment! The owner deserved an eye for eye!
There is simply no fair treatment for slaves. Slavery itself is evil.
But again, let's use Exodus codes. Look at the punishments for silly things...
A sorceress must not be allowed to live (ex 22:18)
God doesn't respect their rights, apparently.
If a person has sex with an animal, he should be put to death. (ex 22:19)
I also recall that the animal had to be put to death as well. Please, get real. It should be a crime but a capital punishment? I think not.
If you curse your parent, you should be put to death! I am sure your parents would be happy to see you dead!
What do you have to say about those ridiculous verses?
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Well, I understand what you getting at. Think about it for a moment which would you rather live in Moses times or New Testaments time as today? Now, we are humans we couldn't see unseen things, but sense our surroundings. Like sorcerers, have a rights? God sees what will affect on people which we don't. During those times, we are under the law to limit a lot of things, if no law, then things will be out of control. And like slave itself is not evil, but its how you look at, I know you wouldn't want to be slave like don't won't hearing world control me attitude. I m got your point. The only different is how does a person like to be a slave? The problem, the attitude is this, I feel sorry for you, why you want to be a slave, you don't have life, don't you get and on with other comments, the problem is I control that person's decision or influence a person of "my" way of seeing instead of giving a person a choice. I know you may think that person is crazy, to you it is, but not the slave. Many slaves love their master so much and many doesn't want to leave. About KJV, its Heath. Have you notice I translate CEV? Yes, I have asked many deaf who focus on KJV and I asked them do you know what that mean, most said no, then they waste their time and also many thought what it mean but its not, bec we don't use language the way King James speaks. That's why there are so much critical about the issues. And now, there are some translation does have few errors. This is the reason many take advantage by saying by Bible has errors. I have seen many secular quote the Bible, when I was new christian, I fall easily, but realize, the more you worship the Lord daily include going to church. You may ask, wait a min, how I worship the Lord and going to church in separate meanings. Going to church listen the sermon and that's it will get you anywhere, worship the Lord is daily and study and Holy Spirit will show you a lot of things and that's how I have done, but understand, I'm not in so call top level, I learned everyday facing life challenges. How we see things is not the same how God sees. Bec God sees danger and affective on others, but we couldn't. That's why God established it. And did you know there are laws that God didn't decide, bec the stubborness of men, that's what Jesus said. Also, like in South Carolina recently passed the law, if molester repeat that crime will be execute? There are many laws today going out of control and most isn't proper things to do. Bec we live in this world of chaos, bec God gave us choices. Like someone quote by saying by KJV God created good and evil. That word evil is not mean like sin, it mean calamity or afflictions (Isaiah 45:5-7). This is why so much confusion and even secular uses it but wrong perspective and the meaning. Like you quote it and thought that's what it means. That is what I learned everyday cautious of lot of challenges, not all I do right, bec not one soul does. Everyone learned and experience different. But the only different is this, the position we are in, are we still chained under the law or saved by Grace. Using Grace is costly.netrox said:
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netrox said:Hahaha... you're pretty observant, aren't you?
The sad reality is that you need to be polarized to get attention.
If you're being diplomatic, people don't really care. If you're being opinionated and offend some people's beliefs, they will get upset and defend themselves. That's human nature.
It just occurred to me that the speed at which this board moves contributes. Because there's not always time to sift through every response in one of these threads, people go for the most outrageous statements (and often seem to race each other in trying to respond).
deafdyke said:
Because they twisted the scriptures. As I pointed out in the edit on that post, the Bible only uses servitude as a way to pay off debt.
On the other side of that debate, I also think that the north responded in the wrong way. WHat should have happened is that no person under the age of 18 should be considered a slave andwhen they came of age, they should be released into the world. When the slaves were emancipated, they lost everything. Food, water, shelter. They were out in the world with no money or respect. No white person would hire them. No former slave had the money to start his own business. It was a big mess.
XBGMER said:
in Egypt, those who build pyramids for the pharaohs were never slaves. That have been discovered that they were loyal servants of pharaohs. It was just that christians distorted the view of who built the pyramids.
why? because there was a community area where workers had a family, store, bread factory etc. they all worked in shift. so they worked for Pharaohs in exchange for currency and foods. (kinda like working for Govt. and get best benefits than all other jobs. you know?)
I think you confused yourself.. in the beginning of Egyptian dynasty, they were white but many years later on may have battled against Nubian which was black, so that could be the case that one pharaoh. was overthrown and had a black pharaoh.
here's a article for you read. . Nubian is now Sudan not Egypt.
http://www.discover.com/issues/dec-05/features/nubia-black-pharaohs/
time to educate yourself in history again eh
netrox said:
No, if you actually READ the Bible, you would know that the masters had a stringent rule book to follow as well. They were not to mistreat their servants. They were to feed their servants. And they were to free their servants every Jubilee Year.
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