Obama's poll drops even further....continues cratering

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yizuman said:
Of course from a Liberal media source, they'd say that.

Yiz
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No, it was from interview with Obama's grandmother and read below.
 
yizuman said:
Thank God for web archives....

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Before Obama ran for Senator in Illinois, a news article in 2004 ran this story and they reported him to be Kenya born.

Now suddenly after his 1st term, that changed when Obama decided to run for President and he's born from Hawaii. :hmm:

Something doesn't smell right.

Yiz
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Additional, the link that you posted has misspelled.

His name is BARACK Obama, not Barrack.
 
Foxrac said:
Additional, there is source about Obama natural born.
snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate
snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?
snopes.com: Barack Obama Kenyan Registration of Birth
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
FactCheck.org: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?
No Trial for Obama | FactCheck.org

Also, the court already ruled it out in years ago.
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Your proof.....


Q: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?
Is Barack Obama a "natural-born citizen"? It is hard to believe he could get this far in the electoral process and not have a sufficient answer to this question, I admit, but has his birth certificate been disclosed?



A: Yes. His campaign made a copy public after speculation by conservative bloggers that he might not be a "natural-born citizen."
We asked for and received a copy from the Obama campaign. It is too large to display full size on this page, but you may click on this link to see a copy of the document just as we received it.

It indicates Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. That should be no surprise, as it merely documents what Obama and his biographers have always said. But the document should put to rest groundless speculation raised on some conservative Web sites that Obama might not have been born in the U.S. and therefore might not qualify under the Constitution as a "natural-born citizen" to be president.

The speculation was not based on any evidence. Bloggers raised questions based on the absence of evidence, specifically the lack of a publicly available copy of a birth certificate and the supposed "secrecy" surrounding it. For example, the conservative World Net Daily posted a June 10 article with the headline, "Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?; Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited." Soon after, some of our readers began asking us the same thing.

The "secrecy" ended when Tommy Vietor at the Obama campaign sent a message to us and other reporters saying, "I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate." A digital image was attached.

Hawaii state law forbids the release of birth or marriage certificates to anyone but the persons named in the documents or their immediate relatives. This copy carries a date stamp of "Jun 6 - 2007" (which has bled through from the reverse side), and is, therefore, probably a copy obtained by Obama himself at that time.

Incidentally, John McCain has been the subject of similar speculation based on the fact that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. But as we explained in an earlier Ask FactCheck, he's also a U.S. citizen under laws going back to 1790, even though he wasn't born in the country.
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The "proof" you have here is a Certificate of Live Birth.......just like Stein said. Notice in red......obama could provide an actual copy if he wanted to. But he hasn't.

Notice also at the bottom.......The words Prima Facie...... :hmm:

Prima Facie Evidence
 
TXgolfer said:
Your proof.....





The "proof" you have here is a Certificate of Live Birth.......just like Stein said. Notice in red......obama could provide an actual copy if he wanted to. But he hasn't.

Notice also at the bottom.......The words Prima Facie...... :hmm:

Prima Facie Evidence
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Obama did on his campaign website in 2008 and he's born in USA, it is confirmed and settled by court as well.
 
Foxrac said:
Additional, there is source about Obama natural born.
snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate
snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?
snopes.com: Barack Obama Kenyan Registration of Birth
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
FactCheck.org: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?
No Trial for Obama | FactCheck.org

Also, the court already ruled it out in years ago.
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Your first link snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate does not apply to what I said. I never said the Certificate of Live Birth was a forgery.

Your second link snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? does not apply to what I said. I never said Obama's mother was too young.

Your third link snopes.com: Barack Obama Kenyan Registration of Birth does not apply to what I said. I never said anything about Kenya.

Your fourth link FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. does not apply to what I said. I never mentioned forgery. However, this document claims Obama submitted a "birth certificate" and you claim there is no such thing .... so who is lying in that article? There is no such thing that Obama has a "Birth Certificate"?

Your fifth link FactCheck.org: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed? does not directly apply to what I said. However, it does prove that Obama submitted a "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" which does apply to what I said.


Your sixth link No Trial for Obama | FactCheck.org does not apply to anything I said. I never said Obama was going to trial.


Where is the long form?
 
Mind you though.....I am no birther.....I believe he was born in Hawaii. I believe there is another reason they went this route...... :)
 
Steinhauer said:
Your first link snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate does not apply to what I said. I never said the Certificate of Live Birth was a forgery.

Your second link snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? does not apply to what I said. I never said Obama's mother was too young.

Your third link snopes.com: Barack Obama Kenyan Registration of Birth does not apply to what I said. I never said anything about Kenya.

Your fourth link FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. does not apply to what I said. I never mentioned forgery. However, this document claims Obama submitted a "birth certificate" and you claim there is no such thing .... so who is lying in that article? There is no such thing that Obama has a "Birth Certificate"?

Your fifth link FactCheck.org: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed? does not directly apply to what I said. However, it does prove that Obama submitted a "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" which does apply to what I said.


Your sixth link No Trial for Obama | FactCheck.org does not apply to anything I said. I never said Obama was going to trial.


Where is the long form?
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It is applies to your post.
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Obama is born in US and it already confirmed in years ago.
 
Oh gee... birthers are delusional. They have NO proof nor have ANY certificates proving that he was born in Kenya. It doesn't matter, birthers are selective and will do anything to prove it.

Here's the actual interview:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.


(that's where birthers "prove" Obama was born but conveniently left out the rest of interview ignoring that interpreters do make mistakes with interpretation - don't tell me that you NEVER had issues with interpreters!)

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

End of discussion. Birthers are idiots, period.
 
netrox said:
Oh gee... birthers are delusional. They have NO proof nor have ANY certificates proving that he was born in Kenya. It doesn't matter, birthers are selective and will do anything to prove it.

Here's the actual interview:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.


(that's where birthers "prove" Obama was born but conveniently left out the rest of interview ignoring that interpreters do make mistakes with interpretation - don't tell me that you NEVER had issues with interpreters!)

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

End of discussion. Birthers are idiots, period.
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Yup, thank you.

They are making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
Foxrac said:
Yup, thank you.

They are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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ok ... fine. Where is the long form? Show me that and I will shutup.

I won't ask why his adoption papers are not public record, or his Occidental College records, or any of his harvard Law School records etc. etc. etc. etc.

I just want the long form. That's it.

First time in U.S. History a President never submitted his records for the public:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/05/deal-challenges-obamas-eligibility/


why?
 
netrox said:
Why is there no birth movement against McCain who was actually not born in USA although he's legally an American citizen? Simply because he's white!

The birther movement is rooted in prejudice and racism, nothing more.
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Again I am no birther......But there were questions about McCain, and he provided his proof quickly
 
netrox said:
Why is there no birth movement against McCain who was actually not born in USA although he's legally an American citizen? Simply because he's white!

The birther movement is rooted in prejudice and racism, nothing more.
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False.

BOTH his parents were U.S. Citizens. You need to read up on the rules on what makes a person a citizen. Especially when a citizen is born on an Army base in a foreign country.

There are many non-white U.S. Citizens granted the same exact citizenship under the same exact conditions as McCain.

You do not get to use the race card. Sorry, put it back on the table.
 
Steinhauer said:
ok ... fine. Where is the long form? Show me that and I will shutup.

I won't ask why his adoption papers are not public record, or his Occidental College records, or any of his harvard Law School records etc. etc. etc. etc.

I just want the long form. That's it.

First time in U.S. History a President never submitted his records for the public:

Deal Challenges Obama’s Eligibility | The Post & Email


why?
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Again, he did on his website in 2008 and there is news about what state of Hawaii say.
Presidential Race | Hawaii: Obama born in U.S. | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
Steinhauer said:
False.

BOTH his parents were U.S. Citizens. You need to read up on the rules on what makes a person a citizen. Especially when a citizen is born on an Army base in a foreign country.

There are many non-white U.S. Citizens granted the same exact citizenship under the same exact conditions as McCain.
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Untrue. In fact, it has been questioned by legal scholars:

"But Sarah H. Duggin, an associate law professor at Catholic University who has studied the "natural born" issue in detail, said the question is "not so simple." While she said McCain would probably prevail in a determined legal challenge to his eligibility to be president, she added that the matter can be fully resolved only by a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court decision."

McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate - washingtonpost.com

So in other words, it's possible to question his citizenship and the only way to solidify that is to have another amendment or SCOTUS decision to affirm his citizenship.

Obama is already an American citizen.. he was BORN IN HAWAII which is part of USA! There is NO documentation ANYWHERE that says he was born outside of USA!

You do not get to use the race card. Sorry, put it back on the table.
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That doesn't matter. No matter how you rationalize it, you know that it's rooted in racist thinking.

I don't play race card, I just call it as I see it. I don't BS with anyone and I say it in their face. No PC here, ok? I would rather have a white Democrat but since Obama's the only option, I voted for him. He has proven to be more qualified than McCain. Thank god!
 
netrox said:
Untrue. In fact, it has been questioned by legal scholars:

"But Sarah H. Duggin, an associate law professor at Catholic University who has studied the "natural born" issue in detail, said the question is "not so simple." While she said McCain would probably prevail in a determined legal challenge to his eligibility to be president, she added that the matter can be fully resolved only by a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court decision."

McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate - washingtonpost.com

So in other words, it's possible to question his citizenship and the only way to solidify that is to have another amendment or SCOTUS decision to affirm his citizenship.

Obama is already an American citizen.. he was BORN IN HAWAII which is part of USA! There is NO documentation ANYWHERE that says he was born outside of USA!



That doesn't matter. No matter how you rationalize it, you know that it's rooted in racist thinking.

I don't play race card, I just call it as I see it. I don't BS with anyone and I say it in their face. No PC here, ok? I would rather have a white Democrat but since Obama's the only option, I voted for him. He has proven to be more qualified than McCain. Thank god!
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Yup, I voted Obama because of more pro-gay rights since McCain has visually none. Gay rights is one of my most priority that I voted politicians.
 
netrox said:
You see, birthers won't accept that and claim that the state is conspiring to cover up his birth place.

Birthers are delusional, they don't accept reality, you know? They just want to believe what they want to believe despite data saying otherwise.
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so .... where is the long form?
 
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