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kokonut said:
Noooooo.

Read .....carefully....

It's the mainstream media (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NYTimes, WaPo, Newsweek, Time (guess how many times he was on the front cover of time in a year?) etc) who painted him as the "messiah." Not Obama himself. He let his lackeys do the adoring and adulation.
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You just want make conservative looks good, no doubt.
 
Foxrac said:
You just want make conservative looks good, no doubt.
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We don't have to do anything. It's them doing all the work who tried to portray Obama as some sort of "messiah" through pictures and articles. It lead up to when Democrats/Liberals wanted to have Obama on a mock Greek temple stage complete with columns and anything Greek.

Obama God! Democrats build a temple for Barack | Mail Online

I ain't making this up. It's the MSM who helped create this idea of a "messiah."
 
Banjo said:
I think that's because it may be a wax figure of President Obama. I've seen enough wax figures in my life to make a guess that it's a wax figure.
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Certainly makes sense. Thanks.
 
Foxrac said:
You just want make conservative looks good, no doubt.
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You are getting warmer. :giggle: Make Conservatives look like the only sensible answer to everything; while painting Liberals as buffoons, sexual beasts, idiots, anything that is negative. Spend hours a day loading up with biased web materials. Educate the "uneducated" members of AD. That is the gist of it. I never see any of it now. No need to learn politics from a closed mind.
 
Speaking of closed minded....

Those who think that having a $2 trillion dollar deficit in the first 6 month is ok speaks volume. The CBO doesn't think so.
 
kokonut said:
Cratering....

gallupaug272009.jpg

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
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Isn't it ironic that the same man who made this statement:

"...polls cannot be repeated every time and get the exact same results since polls are based upon the current emotion and feeling of the day to express their opinion via polls. Even if you use the same people and ask the same questions in a poll a year later or ten years later you will see that their opinions have changed.

. I have never made the claim that my polls were "scientific" nor accurate. They are for all intent and purposes just a....poll. And it is to be taken with a grain of truth (or doubt in this case)."

on another website in an attempt to refute a poll that indicated his credibility and accuracy were in question is now attempting to use polls as proof of a negative conclusion against another?

Which is it, Mike? Are polls reliable and valid, or are polls not reliable and valid?
 
Trends, dear. Trends.

Obama continues to crater in most if not all polls.
 
kokonut said:
Trends, dear. Trends.

Obama continues to crater in most if not all polls.
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So, you are reversing your statement above to say that polls are valid and reliable? And moreso, that they are reliable and valid for any point in time other than the exact moment when the polster gave an answer?
 
kokonut said:
A single poll from a single source does not show a complete picture. A trend shows a bigger picture though not all encompassing. A combination of sources of polls that show the same trending pattern is a damning picture of things to come.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Enjoy the sunshine while you can.
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So, we can take that to mean that you do consider polls to be valid and reliable. Doesn't bode too well regarding the one I referenced.
 
saywhatkid said:
You are getting warmer. :giggle: Make Conservatives look like the only sensible answer to everything; while painting Liberals as buffoons, sexual beasts, idiots, anything that is negative. Spend hours a day loading up with biased web materials. Educate the "uneducated" members of AD. That is the gist of it. I never see any of it now. No need to learn politics from a closed mind.
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Excellent summary of Kokonut's politics. :bowlol:
 
kokonut said:
Trends, dear. Trends.

Obama continues to crater in most if not all polls.
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You don't understand polls and trends, do you?

They don't reflect the FUTURE!

Bush had very low approval rating but he got re-elected.
 
Yes, no one can predict the future. However, the deeper the cratering goes the harder it is to reverse public sentiments unless something drastic turns it around (say, U.S. gets attacked and then we go into war mode is certainly a potential poll turnaround...depends on the situation I guess). What the combined polls tells us is that past actions get reflected in the polls as a current snapshot of people's feelings. As one can see mistakes after mistakes were being causing more and more people left with a bad taste in their mouths. The polls also reflect somewhat their feelings about Congress, indirectly so but Congress' ratings is even lower than the "one." Fourteen more months to go. :)
 
deafskeptic said:
Didn't they say the same about FDR?
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People weren't as much informed back then compared to today. Apples to oranges. Had they known FDR's true agenda the story would've been a different one.
 
Kokonut want everyone to believe in his belief due right wing, no doubt and not worth to fight with him.
 
kokonut said:
People weren't as much informed back then compared to today. Apples to oranges. Had they known FDR's true agenda the story would've been a different one.
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If you support FDR's agenda then you are not true conservative, man.
 
jillio said:
Isn't it ironic that the same man who made this statement:

"...polls cannot be repeated every time and get the exact same results since polls are based upon the current emotion and feeling of the day to express their opinion via polls. Even if you use the same people and ask the same questions in a poll a year later or ten years later you will see that their opinions have changed.

. I have never made the claim that my polls were "scientific" nor accurate. They are for all intent and purposes just a....poll. And it is to be taken with a grain of truth (or doubt in this case)."

on another website in an attempt to refute a poll that indicated his credibility and accuracy were in question is now attempting to use polls as proof of a negative conclusion against another?

Which is it, Mike? Are polls reliable and valid, or are polls not reliable and valid?
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Note the singular..."poll".

Note the plural ....."polls".

Note the combining of polls from a variety of sources to paint a picture as I have shown a la Real Clear Politics combined polls chart results.

I remain correct that looking at a "poll" (singular) is to be taken with a grain of salt. This includes polls from a single source but the case gets stronger with longer term polling results. And then you have the combining of the polls from various sources which makes the strongest case. Not foolproof. Not a guarantee. But it certainly does paint a nice picture. Or in the case, a bleak picture.
 
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