Nokia E61 is more sexy than Blackberry

Seems Europe gets all the sexy toys while FCC gets their fingers in our asses.

Richard
 
Nope, don't get this wrong. It is MONEY that is the problem. Europe got much advanced wireless network than here. We started it long time ago, before Europe started. You see, the first one ALWAYS the worst, When the world see America, how they(Americans) did wireless and learn from their mistakes and set up avoiding the same mistakes America companies made. It will cost America companies Multi-trillion dollars to replace the wireless infrasture system! Companies are reculantant to go ahead. So again it is just money, not FCC.

I had friend who used to work on wireless towers. Told me, they cost at least 2 million dollars to build one...80% of that cost goes to attorneys, and court fees. FCC related? Again no!

Nesmuth said:
Seems Europe gets all the sexy toys while FCC gets their fingers in our asses.

Richard
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I wanted to give you another example of similiar prinicple of problems we have with Wireless service. You all know that NYC has the world BEST subway system. Right? NYC is the first in the world to have subway system. Even they got the best system, there is so many flaws in that system! That is why crimes occured so many times. It has to do with design flaws to encourages the crooks to do criminal activities without getting caught, and even disappear fast. So, other cities learn from that mistakes, and build even better and safer subway system, but not the best system anyway. Like Washington D.C. You can't do crime without getting caught. Its more open view space where cops can watch and supervise, not like in NYC. So, to redesign NYC subway to reduce crime is out of question, due to money and limitation. So, same idea with wireless system, they are too costly to replace.
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Nope, don't get this wrong. It is MONEY that is the problem. Europe got much advanced wireless network than here. We started it long time ago, before Europe started. You see, the first one ALWAYS the worst, When the world see America, how they(Americans) did wireless and learn from their mistakes and set up avoiding the same mistakes America companies made. It will cost America companies Multi-trillion dollars to replace the wireless infrasture system! Companies are reculantant to go ahead. So again it is just money, not FCC.

I had friend who used to work on wireless towers. Told me, they cost at least 2 million dollars to build one...80% of that cost goes to attorneys, and court fees. FCC related? Again no!
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GSM coverage almost anywhere in Europe unlike USA but it have very few CDMA.

USA just best coverage for CDMA in American and most big city do have GSM.

GSM still grow up to more for coverage.
 
Neo said:
GSM coverage almost anywhere in Europe unlike USA but it have very few CDMA.

USA just best coverage for CDMA in American and most big city do have GSM.

GSM still grow up to more for coverage.
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There are over 1 billions GPRS/GSM/EDGE user :)
 
GalaxyAngel said:
NICE....... unfortunally coming from Europe!
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Europe always get first because Nokia make in Finland. Later somewhere within 6 to 12 months, release for North America.

So, I decide to find at ebay.. why not be rush? :)
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Nope, don't get this wrong. It is MONEY that is the problem. Europe got much advanced wireless network than here. We started it long time ago, before Europe started. You see, the first one ALWAYS the worst, When the world see America, how they(Americans) did wireless and learn from their mistakes and set up avoiding the same mistakes America companies made. It will cost America companies Multi-trillion dollars to replace the wireless infrasture system! Companies are reculantant to go ahead. So again it is just money, not FCC.
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as wireless company employee, i am somewhat half to agree with ya. what i agree is money issue. i dont believe there are mistake issues. as i have posted in previous times in AD, it is just how big this country is. japan and europe are smaller than this country and they can set up quicker. it is very difficult to set up or replace the networks from coast to coast in this country. yet we are still in advance with the techies like UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System), a global 3G wireless standard, HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and EVDO (Evolution-Data Optimized) to provide high-speed Internet access.

diehardbiker65 said:
I had friend who used to work on wireless towers. Told me, they cost at least 2 million dollars to build one...80% of that cost goes to attorneys, and court fees. FCC related? Again no!
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yes it is true. some are more than 2 millions and some are like less than 800k bucks... each company does lease a very tiny land to the property owners. some own the small properties for the towers. some wireless towers are made into tall fake trees for bettter enviroments.
 
EDGE said:
Europe always get first because Nokia make in Finland. Later somewhere within 6 to 12 months, release for North America.

So, I decide to find at ebay.. why not be rush? :)
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it does not matter where they make... it is a program issue for networks. for instance, tmobile provides sidekicks. verizon or cingular cannot have it because of networks and programs. europe wireless companies cant have the sidekicks either.

VERY few mobiles can be unlocked for switching the service from wireless company to other wireless company.
 
Eh? Sidekick is different because it's not same as normal mobile phone. One of my friend tried to use sidekick package (plan) on regular mobile phone and cannot get internet on. So, had to use different package plan which how program work in sim card.

Basic mobile phone such as Nokia 6822 with GSM/GPRS will always work because of common baud as 850/800. For example, you carry US version mobile phone (not sidekick) to Europe, and you still get signaler. Why? Same baud under GPRS/GSM/EDGE

deafclimber said:
it does not matter where they make... it is a program issue for networks. for instance, tmobile provides sidekicks. verizon or cingular cannot have it because of networks and programs. europe wireless companies cant have the sidekicks either.

VERY few mobiles can be unlocked for switching the service from wireless company to other wireless company.
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deafclimber said:
it does not matter where they make... it is a program issue for networks. for instance, tmobile provides sidekicks. verizon or cingular cannot have it because of networks and programs. europe wireless companies cant have the sidekicks either.

VERY few mobiles can be unlocked for switching the service from wireless company to other wireless company.
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Program?

well If T-mobile made program then it ONLY work in t-mobile that mean other comany (Cingualr, Verizon, etc..) won't work. so it's limits.

Unlock can work anywhere. My coworker bought Razr from Cingular and he hack it to unlock and RID crap Cingular program and it still work great.
 
EDGE said:
Eh? Sidekick is different because it's not same as normal mobile phone. One of my friend tried to use sidekick package (plan) on regular mobile phone and cannot get internet on. So, had to use different package plan which how program work in sim card.

Basic mobile phone such as Nokia 6822 with GSM/GPRS will always work because of common baud as 850/800. For example, you carry US version mobile phone (not sidekick) to Europe, and you still get signaler. Why? Same baud under GPRS/GSM/EDGE
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all mobiles do work fine in network in anywhere... i speak of the program in general. it is just the individual program in the mobile that tells the network to send to where it needs to be sent to directly.

i got good example for u - microsoft is operating system and linux operating system therefore each can run computer and they can run internet in network. but both operating systems dont mix eachother.

get picture ?
 
Neo said:
Program?

well If T-mobile made program then it ONLY work in t-mobile that mean other comany (Cingualr, Verizon, etc..) won't work. so it's limits.

Unlock can work anywhere. My coworker bought Razr from Cingular and he hack it to unlock and RID crap Cingular program and it still work great.
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yes you are correct, but i give an example reason why some companies cant have what other companies have. unlocking the mobile is just different story, dude. ;)
 
deafclimber said:
as wireless company employee, i am somewhat half to agree with ya. what i agree is money issue. i dont believe there are mistake issues. as i have posted in previous times in AD, it is just how big this country is. japan and europe are smaller than this country and they can set up quicker. it is very difficult to set up or replace the networks from coast to coast in this country. yet we are still in advance with the techies like UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System), a global 3G wireless standard, HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and EVDO (Evolution-Data Optimized) to provide high-speed Internet access.



yes it is true. some are more than 2 millions and some are like less than 800k bucks... each company does lease a very tiny land to the property owners. some own the small properties for the towers. some wireless towers are made into tall fake trees for bettter enviroments.
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Yeah that what my mom told me same thing about Europe smaller than American.
 
yea i know. ur parent are employees of verizon and i am cingular employee. :) what a big rival ! really i dont care about the wireless companies and i want to see how happy deafies are with the new advanced techies like sk2. :)
 
deafclimber said:
yea i know. ur parent are employees of verizon and i am cingular employee. :) what a big rival ! really i dont care about the wireless companies and i want to see how happy deafies are with the new advanced techies like sk2. :)
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Well. U know that i never own Sk and Sk2 before and not interesting that. It's kind too big for me.

I lost Nokia 6820 from somewhere and it was my first time lost mobile! So I still waiting to get Nokia 6822 from ebay. Damn Seller slow!
 
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