Need some questions Business pagers

~AngelWolf~ said:
Hard to explain but right now they are not using them which they are very new and have not yet to use them very much but umm it is like phone but hand free and walk around but that is only within that Borders and it has smaller similar like cell phone sizes.... but but to call outside..I dunno tho!! I only know abt pager like DR do, u know.

The rest of u, Edge, dkf747, and farmerjoe, no to all that! Cuz it is only inside of the Borders where I am working at and I hate to walk all over the place trying to find someone I need to talk for some help! :lol: So that was why I need a pager so I call someone to COME! OR they call me to come thiers as well... that what I am trying to find that kind but what I found called DeafCall as I have link I handed out above: http://www.alldeaf.com/621483-post6.html <<----pls click it... But it is from UK? I do not know abt that one if order but I just need to know abt Deaf ppl have when work or own them for thier own business, know I mean but I noticed that no one has one whose own the business!!!
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Good Morning, AW!

Yes I understand. That website link you shown here is from UK. That's the problem. I tried to check on google for provide in USA but it's for emergency ony such as for fire alert, etc. Can you ask your manager/co-worker to write down the name of device they have for using within borders. Were those devices provided by your company only? When one co-worker needs to contact another co-worker, do they dial phone number or what? In meantime have you tried to contact VR yet?
 
~AngelWolf~ said:
Well, if u do know abt that pls find me the link, will u? I appert it! Thanks!
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There's no link needed. Do you have a cell phone or pager? Does your boss have a cell phone or pager? Just have a meeting with them, suggest that you or they document a procedure where if someone needs something, they have to have a cell phone or pager on them to contact you and vice-versa. Having an elaborate "paging system" would be extremely costly compared to my suggested solution.
 
~AngelWolf~ said:
The rest of u, Edge, dkf747, and farmerjoe, no to all that! Cuz it is only inside of the Borders where I am working at and I hate to walk all over the place trying to find someone I need to talk for some help! :lol: So that was why I need a pager so I call someone to COME!
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What I suggested will do exactly what you want, and do it well. The only downside is that everyone who pages you, or who you need to page, has to have one too. Add the free BB Messenger and it's even better.

Honestly, Dennis has given you the best solution and you should check it out. My suggestion is more costly, but it will work, giving you 2 way communication.
 
OK OK!! Just found out that Borders has Two-Way Radio, I think but there is no text only voice!!! So how can I have that??? I do not know much abt it but I will have to read them on weekend as I am tooo tired from work lol....

As for PDA, it will not work as it will charge if using text so much! Unless I am wrong pls explain more or else just give me exactly what u are talking abt this PDA ok? Cuz i have to have text to talk to someone to come only... since I am deaf! My boss will not using her cell phone to page me, no way that will charge her more which I know that cuz that happened to one of my deafie ....so that why it has to be same brand cell phone to same brand cell phone that will not charge at all! But to my sk2...nope will charge her even more when I am not! I can't do that and besides that is not for business! I need pager or whatever for business ONLY!! The company of Borders will have to do that so that was why I am doing this for them so they can find out which one they should get me one.... Geez... sorry I am blabing away too much!! Shut my mouth (meaning my hands typing!) :lol: Anyway, just throw at me till maybe I will able to undy better since u may know more than I do! lol but as for what Dennis give out is different! I cannot do that! Had to be by Borders company only not by our own pagers!!! Cost more for us! Unless....something else I may be overlooked ok.... maybe I may not understand myself but still cannot use our own things! Better by them so that is why I am trying to find out what the deaf peopel have when they have own business so though maybe they have also pagers to get them come...whatever.... Like Lawyer, or DR do...that is what I am tying to think that way but except need more text! To say come to my office or to Infor Center... something like that! Shit sorry forgive me I am still blabing away again.....

Sunshine, when I have time I try to get hold of VR but one of them who is retired from VR maybe he can exlain to me unless if he can't since he is no longer work there u know lol.... but but anyway I will find out later but I am damn tired...
 
If you are wanting to call your manager. Get a modern cell phone - most will now do text message. I am in Canada - I bought one of those Virgin Mobile pre-paid phone and linked to my Credit Card to put $15.00 - Out messages are 10 cents and in are free. I can set up text messages in advance. So you could make up a message to your manager like "Please come to front Cash - it is Jim" - I could send a message like that in about 4 clicks if I have the managers number in my directory.
 
In the case of the Blackberry, PIN messages are included in the data plan, so no extra charge.

If they get the right plan for their phones (any phone) they won't be charged for text messaging either.
 
~AngelWolf~ said:
Q: Do u have umm sort of like a pager that need to be called from ur boss, manager to tell u to come to his/her office or something like that?

AngelWolf
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suggest to use cell phone with text and/or sms cabilities. many people have cell phone why not ask them to see if it work for you ask manager to pay your monthly cost if you own cell phone or pager.
 
The PDA and wifi idea is out becasuse this is a boarders book store, All Boarders stores have T-mobile wi-fi hotspots and they charge $30 a month to use it. and y ou can't install your own wifi access point because it will interfere with the T-mobile one and Boarders won't like that. So my idea for using an IM program via wifi on a PDA is out.
Also, as mentioned using SMS is too expencive, Too bad devices like the ogo are impossible to get, that thing had a QWERTY keyboard and unlimited SMS (and more) for only about $20 a month but then again if you have multiple ones that also adds up.

Unless you use your own personal cell phones for this it's horribly expencive. so using a PDA with 802.11x (wifi) is out and cell phone SMS is out. I still stand by my origonal idea of a hand-held radio that vibrates. It's a one way communication, but it would work and be cheap.
 
farmerjoe said:
The PDA and wifi idea is out becasuse this is a boarders book store, All Boarders stores have T-mobile wi-fi hotspots and they charge $30 a month to use it. and y ou can't install your own wifi access point because it will interfere with the T-mobile one and Boarders won't like that. So my idea for using an IM program via wifi on a PDA is out.
Also, as mentioned using SMS is too expencive, Too bad devices like the ogo are impossible to get, that thing had a QWERTY keyboard and unlimited SMS (and more) for only about $20 a month but then again if you have multiple ones that also adds up.

Unless you use your own personal cell phones for this it's horribly expencive. so using a PDA with 802.11x (wifi) is out and cell phone SMS is out. I still stand by my origonal idea of a hand-held radio that vibrates. It's a one way communication, but it would work and be cheap.
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Omni-Page Receiver with Battery Charger

and
Pager Transmitter: Hand Held

under $200
 
qwerty123 said:
Omni-Page Receiver with Battery Charger

and
Pager Transmitter: Hand Held

under $200
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Yeah, it doesn't meet his needs specifically. She wanted a message, like an intercom, and she also wants to know where to meet someone, so if someone isn't at the pre-arranged location for a meeting, she'll have to go looking for them. Good try, though.

I still insist that an SMS solution or QWERTY cell phone with email addresses will be the best solution. Unless Borders wants to pay through the nose for a custom solution like those suggested already.



Actually, farmerjoe's suggestion was fairly good. Either use the T-Mobile Hotspot (which I'm sure Borders gets discounts on) with a WiFi enabled device like a PDA, or establish a second WiFi network. Multiple WiFi networks are permissible and do not interfere with each other, and you simply encrypt the new WiFi network so that users can't take advantage of it for free.
 
farmerjoe said:
The PDA and wifi idea is out becasuse this is a boarders book store, All Boarders stores have T-mobile wi-fi hotspots and they charge $30 a month to use it. and y ou can't install your own wifi access point because it will interfere with the T-mobile one and Boarders won't like that. So my idea for using an IM program via wifi on a PDA is out.
Also, as mentioned using SMS is too expencive, Too bad devices like the ogo are impossible to get, that thing had a QWERTY keyboard and unlimited SMS (and more) for only about $20 a month but then again if you have multiple ones that also adds up.

Unless you use your own personal cell phones for this it's horribly expencive. so using a PDA with 802.11x (wifi) is out and cell phone SMS is out. I still stand by my origonal idea of a hand-held radio that vibrates. It's a one way communication, but it would work and be cheap.
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I'm not seeing how using a PDA is out. What does expense have to do with it? What happened to Borders making reasonable accomodations to make the workplace accessible? Are they somehow exempt from the ADA? Borders should be paying for this solution if they determine it is necessary. So none of these solutions should be out.
 
For second thought, should take radio with vibrator.

Use it as mode code concept. :D

one vibrator as umm... . "Watson -- come here -- I want to see you!"
two vibrators as eh.... "You! running the front desk to take care!
three vibrator as hmm... "You're fired! give me your radio shaker!"
 
dkf747 said:
I'm not seeing how using a PDA is out. What does expense have to do with it? What happened to Borders making reasonable accomodations to make the workplace accessible? Are they somehow exempt from the ADA? Borders should be paying for this solution if they determine it is necessary. So none of these solutions should be out.
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Using a PDA for 2 way communication is out because it would use 802.11x, which will not be available because every Borders store has a T-mobile hotspot. If it was free wifi operated by the store then it'd be fine but T-mobile charges very high rates to use it.

It would be cheaper to use a sidekick, or blackberry or cell phone, but even then that'd be expencive. The ADA says that an employer must provide reasonable accomodation as long as it does not cause an undue financial burdon.
The person who posed the question does not need this to do basic job functions. While it would make things easier and save time, it's not required for this person to do 99% of their job.
Service for a cell phone would cost at least $40 per phone per month. plus the cost of the phone, even a used phone would be about $50.
And then you need to take into consideration contracts. The store will need to sign a one or two year contract with the cell phone company. Will this employee be working there in a year? who knows?

So, the ADA doesn't help much here because
1) The employer can say that such communication is NOT required for the persons job.
2) The excessive cost of getting a cell phone based solution may be considered an undue financial burden.

If we can find an inexpencive useable solution and the employer says "no" then the ADA will back us up and tell the employer they have to. The ADA protects against discrimination it dosn't give us a free ticket to every tool we want.
 
I disagree with several of your assertations.

farmerjoe said:
Using a PDA for 2 way communication is out because it would use 802.11x, which will not be available because every Borders store has a T-mobile hotspot. If it was free wifi operated by the store then it'd be fine but T-mobile charges very high rates to use it.
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I disagree. As I've stated earlier, overlapping WiFi networks do not interfere with each other. Just because T-Mobile has a hotspot in that store does not preclude Borders from establishing a WiFi network for employees to use for job functions. If a store was worried about people using the separate employee WiFi, then security / encryption would be set up on the employee WiFi to prevent unauthorized access.

It would be cheaper to use a sidekick, or blackberry or cell phone, but even then that'd be expencive.
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I think this is THE cheapest option overall. There would be no additional staff to hire to maintain a technical solution, nor any additional equipment to purchase. All you have is a recurring $40/month fee instead of hiring additional employees.

The ADA says that an employer must provide reasonable accomodation as long as it does not cause an undue financial burdon. The person who posed the question does not need this to do basic job functions. While it would make things easier and save time, it's not required for this person to do 99% of their job.
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The basic function of the employee is to be where they're needed. I would judge that in order for the employee to be directed to specific parts of the store upon the whim of a manager or fellow employee, they need to be accomodated with specific adaptive equipment. Borders has quite a bit of cash to spend on accomodating employees -- even thousands of dollars won't put an "undue burden" on the company. Thankfully, the suggestions we put out aren't in that range. If there's nothing cheaper than the suggestions we put out that exactly fit her needs, how can you complain that the solutions aren't inexpensive? $500 a year accomodations are damn cheap for a multi-billion dollar enterprise. That's $500 a year in efficiencies you couldn't gain any other way.
 
I'm so amused by the complications of today's communication marvels.

Back then when I was 8 yrs old I tied a tin can to my treehouse and the other one to my mom's kitchen and they were strung together with a simple kite cord and its as good for my mom to use to call me home for dinner. Its simple, no cell phone bills, no silly technical arguments like I see on this thread.

Richard

PS : Yes I could hear back then till I was 11 yrs old.
 
Richard, your diatribe doesn't contribute anything to this thread. Please contribute something of use. Saying, "oh, I was still hearing back in the day and would never have needed such far fetched technology" is meaningless.
 
Farmerjoe,

If Borders says that this is necessary to perform his duties, then the ADA does apply. They may not say it now, but some day they could.
 
Good Grief, guys!!!

PDA or anything others will not work at all cuz they can't/refuesd to pay for that bills if using too much text between us! They also have now (just found out now) two way radio only for voice and no text!! PEROID! SOOO what I am trying to say is just simple text pager that will tell me where they are so I can go and meet them there or even whatever I need some help I call them to come here instead of walking all over the place to just find that person!! I DO NOT WANT THAT PDA OR ANYTHING ELSE!!! I did talk to them abt it and they said NO! Costly too much... forget it! But guys never mind I already found one and they are going to ask the higher boss of all borders to see if they will accept that thing that I found that link above and if they do then it will be belong to Borders only which mean if I get fired or quit the job the pagers will be leaving with Borders which I cannot take with me! Do u undy? That was why I am trying to find ONLY SIMPLE PLAIN PAGER WITH TEXT! Man, I am so dumb on how to explain lol... since I have SK2 I could have use it to text to my boss who has cell phone but that would charge her more so forget it! That is my point is to have plain and simple pager w/text for that kind of job only for deaf!! So that is part of ADA I hope!! Like u said.. she knew that and is going to try that... so I am still waiting for that..

Anyway, sorry for not respond here as I was so freaking busy last week and this week will be more busy I think... so umm thanks for trying tho!

Caio! muahh and hugs :ty:
 
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