My brother died for oil

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The brother of a Black Watch soldier killed in Iraq said today that he had died in a war over "money and oil".

Craig Lowe, 18, a serving soldier with the regiment, added: "I think they should just get them all out of there now, because if not we are going to lose a lot more than this."

Private Paul Lowe, 19, Private Scott McArdle, 22, and Sergeant Stuart Gray, 31, were killed by a suicide bomber at a checkpoint yesterday south of Baghdad.

Craig said his brother had thought little of George Bush and what he believed were the President's reasons for going to war.

He added: "He just thought he was an arsehole for starting a war over nothing, trying to get money and oil. That's what we thought ourselves, that's what Paul thought as well, we all thought that."

More ... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/14512903?source=Evening Standard&ct=5


Guys & Gals, Craig nailed it beautifully. All Bush care about is: money & oil. Free-thinking people, there is a hope for us, people are starting to open their eyes now. God bless them.
 
Wow, I wish you register DF to prove your link there. I fight with them over that since yesterday to today. They are mad with me because I said that the oil and money are most important to Bush than take care of his soliders...

They defend Bush against me and think he´s wonderful. What I say about oil is a crap...

I told them that they need to open and listen soliders´s side... If you want to know then PM me.

What I read all of your threads and must say that you are wonderful and open mind.

I tried to convince them that I work for US army and know alot what soliders and their family had through. I respect soilder´s side either they are happy with their career or not. I know from soliders that they are not happy with Bush. (I mean, not all but some).
 
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Liebling:-))) said:
Wow, I wish you register DF to prove your link there. I fight with them over that since yesterday to today. They are mad with me because I said that the oil and money are most important to Bush than take care of his soliders...

They defend Bush against me and think he´s wonderful. What I say about oil is a crap...

I told them that they need to open and listen soliders´s side... If you want to know then PM me.

What I read all of your threads and must say that you are wonderful and open mind.

I tried to convince them that I work for US army and know alot what soliders and his familtheir family had through. I respect soilder´s side either they are happy with their career or not. I know from soliders that they are not happy with Bush. (I mean, not all but some).

Liebling, what is DF and how to register there?
 
Meg said:
Liebling, what is DF and how to register there?

See my PM there. DF is an abbrevation word. I give you right one at PM (D....F forum),
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Wow, I wish you register DF to prove your link there. I fight with them over that since yesterday to today. They are mad with me because I said that the oil and money are most important to Bush than take care of his soliders...

They defend Bush against me and think he´s wonderful. What I say about oil is a crap...

I told them that they need to open and listen soliders´s side... If you want to know then PM me.

What I read all of your threads and must say that you are wonderful and open mind.

I tried to convince them that I work for US army and know alot what soliders and their family had through. I respect soilder´s side either they are happy with their career or not. I know from soliders that they are not happy with Bush. (I mean, not all but some).
No problem :) We need to expose the facts/truths constantly. that's important part so we can pay our respects to these dead soldiers who fought for nothing but money & oil.

I am going to pm you about that DF.
 
Magatsu said:
Liebling, some of these links are dead :(

I´m agree that I am surprised some of links are block but I test those link before add them at DF forum. I has to go to check there.
 
2nd link, we cant open here but no problem to open at other forum.. so I pasted from 2nd link to add here:

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October 23, 2004
Part-Time Soldiers, Injured but Not Yet Home
By MONICA DAVEY

ORT LEWIS, Wash. - Staff Sgt. Jeffrey A. Elliott returned to this country with a back injury after his unarmored truck hit a roadside bomb in Iraq. Yet 15 months later, he still has not made it home for good.

A member of the Washington National Guard, Sergeant Elliott is hoping to finish whatever treatments may soothe the degenerating disk in his back and for the military to complete the paperwork for his case, now promised within weeks. He is living out of a suitcase in a barracks while his wife and children wait, 220 miles away.

Under a web of Army rules, Sergeant Elliott and thousands of other part-timers injured on duty are navigating a system suited to full-time soldiers. Most are required to stay on a military base to get government medical treatment, to collect their active-duty salaries and to finish military evaluations that will decide whether they return to duty or leave with severance or disability payments.

Full-time soldiers recuperating with Sergeant Elliott have to wait, too, but they have lives here - their spouses and children, their churches and their jobs. Long before Iraq, they lived on the base or just down the road.

The rules are affecting a growing number of part-time soldiers, as the military is deploying the National Guard and Reserves in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere at rates unprecedented since World War II.

Many of the injured say they have grown embittered from being away from home so long. Some see the extended separations as one more indication that military leaders consider the needs of part-time soldiers - once taunted as weekend warriors - as less important than those of the full-time troops.

They view themselves as casualties not just of bombs and heart attacks and ankle twists, but also of poor planning for a war that is increasingly being fought by the nation's part-time military.

Sergeant Elliott's wife, Penny, is raising their three children, the youngest of whom thinks anyone on the other end of a telephone line must be her father, because Sergeant Elliott has been calling home for most of her two years of life.

"Having him in Iraq was hard enough," said Ms. Elliott, home in Moses Lake, Wash. "When he got hurt, I said, 'Well, at least he can come home now, and get better here with us.' But it's this strange thing. He came home, but he's not home at all."

In March, a year after the war began, after thousands of part-time soldiers had already returned home sick or wounded, and as complaints began emerging from homesick soldiers, the military said it would begin a test program to let some part-timers receive active-duty pay while being treated at hospitals and Veterans Affairs sites closer to their homes. But even now, only a few are actually receiving that service.
 
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Since January 2003, more than 16,000 reservists and guardsmen have been placed on "medical holdover" - waiting for treatment and the military to decide if they are fit for duty - either because of injuries overseas or because of medical problems found while they were training to be deployed. Of the 4,240 part-time soldiers now on such status, 904 are being treated in their own communities under the Army's Community Based Health Care Initiative. Many others, including residents of more than half the states across the country, cannot even apply.

Col. Barbara J. Scherb, who oversees the initiative for the Army Forces Command, was asked why military leaders had not planned a way for reservists and guardsmen to be treated near their homes before now. "No one really thought much about this before," she replied.

Colonel Scherb described the slim participation in the program. "I think a lot of it is because it's new," she said in a telephone interview, "and, quite candidly, because we're sort of making this up as we go along."

Some of the waiting soldiers, at Fort Lewis and at other bases, said that they had never heard of Colonel Scherb's program or had learned of only one or two soldiers who had been allowed to join it.

Many said they had become resigned to living apart from their families for unknown months more - even longer, in some cases, than their colleagues who served complete stints in Iraq.

Sergeant Elliott and his driving partner in Iraq were the first two Washington State guardsmen to be injured in combat there, and he received the Purple Heart. He has worked as a security guard, but said he had no idea whether he would ever be able to bear the weight of his utility belt and radio around his waist again. Recently, after The New York Times made inquiries about him, he learned that his discharge paperwork from the military had been completed and that he would be able to go home within weeks. He said he feared that if he left before then, his family could not survive without his active-duty pay.

Still, he said, the idea was oddly tempting, especially as strains at home mounted. He feels detached from decisions made in his own house, he said. His wife has come to rely on a girlfriend as her closest confidante.

"It feels not too much different than being deployed all over again," Sergeant Elliott said.

Cross-Country Recoveries

Most of the injured find themselves back on the base where their unit first assembled before going overseas. Others are flown to other bases because of a military hospital's medical specialty, and some have been delivered to bases closer - not always close, but closer - to home. Officials at Fort Lewis say many of their injured part-time soldiers live near the base, which is 45 miles from Seattle.
 
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But data from the office of the Army's surgeon general show that some Oregon guardsmen, for example, are recovering in Fort Bliss, Tex.; some part-time soldiers from Wyoming and Florida are on medical holdover in Fort Dix, N.J.; and a handful of New Jersey troops are at Fort Riley, Kan.

"Unfortunately, the timetable of the soldier wanting to go home may not correspond with the treatment they need," said Jaime Cavazos, the spokesman for the Army Medical Command. "We're trying to provide them with the care they need."

Unlike the most gravely injured soldiers, receiving round-the-clock treatment at the finest military hospitals, these are ordinary soldiers with more ordinary wounds. The loneliest and the impatient can elect to go home, even if they still need medical attention. But that can be an expensive trade-off; military rules dictate that they lose their active-duty salaries even though they may still be too injured or ill to return to their civilian jobs.

Someone who leaves active duty and seeks treatment from his own doctors qualifies for military medical insurance, known as Tricare, for only six months. Advocates for the National Guard say one in five guardsmen lacks medical insurance from his regular job, leaving no room for health problems that may linger.

Political and military leaders have pledged to make Veterans Affairs benefits, including access to the 157 V.A. hospitals and 845 clinics across the country, available to Iraq war veterans for two years, but most soldiers are not eligible until they are retired from military service or discharged from active duty.

There have been exceptions to the rule, V.A. officials said, but only in cases when the Department of Defense has chosen to refer a soldier to the V.A. for care.

Specialist Keith Bond, another guardsman waiting at Fort Lewis, whose family lives near Sergeant Elliott's in Moses Lake, said he had considered going home. "I did the war," he said. "I got the T-shirt, you know? I've had enough. My family's had enough."

Specialist Bond, 31, spent almost a year in Iraq before he came back to this country with pains in his foot and uncertainty about what they meant. Eventually, he said, military doctors found an unusual break in a bone at the top of his foot, a spot that had broken years ago.

Much as he wants to go home, Specialist Bond said he felt the Army was responsible for repairing his foot and worried that he could not handle his job mixing chemicals at General Dynamics while walking with a large medical boot that encases his leg.

He said he went home as often as he could slip away from Fort Lewis, but described the complications of cramming fatherhood into scattered weekend visits. His son, Dylan, 2, does not seem to recognize him. Specialist Bond's wife, Angelicque, described the look Dylan sometimes gives when seeing his father: "Who is this person? Why is he in my home?"

And their daughter, Alexa, 4, stopped eating after her father came home from Iraq but moved to Fort Lewis. "There was no explaining it to her why Dad was back, but living over there," Ms. Bond said. "She kept saying, 'No, the Army is going to keep him.' " Alexa had lost nine pounds by the time Ms. Bond took her to a doctor.

It seemed at first, Ms. Bond said, that some doctors at Fort Lewis did not take her husband's pain seriously. "Honestly, I think they thought he was malingering," she said.

Other soldiers complained of similar treatment.

"There are the few people out there who aren't injured, but who are just trying to get out of the service and get into the disability system," Ms. Bond said. That may make doctors doubt the legitimate cases, she continued, adding: "But there's another factor, too, that makes them want to doubt, and that's this: The Army does not like to pay."

Many Requirements to Meet

It is uncertain how much it would cost the Army to allow all part-time soldiers to receive their pay as well as their treatments at home. Some say the military would save in housing expenses, but would be unable to control health care costs. For now, military officials say they are unsure even what the medical costs will be for their current community-treatment program.

The requirements for that program are numerous. A soldier's home must be in one of 23 participating states; he must live near a private medical facility or a V.A. hospital suited to treat his particular problem and accepting Tricare; if he is capable of any work, which most of these soldiers are, he must live near an armory, recruiting station or another military facility for work, and the military must not have begun the process of determining whether he is no longer able to be a soldier - which can take months.

Military leaders began considering such a program, Colonel Scherb said, after they realized there might soon be overcrowding of part-time soldiers at military bases around the country. There is room for only 5,000 of these injured soldiers at bases, she said, and the numbers were mounting by late last year. Fort Lewis had also begun its own similar, smaller program for "remote care" late last year, a program Sergeant Elliott said he was allowed to join briefly.

In recent weeks, the numbers of those allowed to go home for treatment while still receiving active-duty pay has grown significantly, Colonel Scherb said, and she expects that to continue rising.

"Everybody is committed to making this work," she said.

But the future of the program seems uncertain. Announcing it in March, the Army described it as temporary, saying, "Once the number of soldiers needing care drops to a level that can be managed from Army posts, the program will be reduced or closed."

No final decisions have been made, Colonel Scherb said.

A Sense of Bias

Lingering just under the surface of these soldiers' complaints is a broader issue. They see a bias against part-timers, one that has seeped through everything over years of "weekend warrior" status.

The issue came into focus recently as reports emerged from Iraq of a group of 18 reservists who refused to make a fuel delivery because they considered it a suicide mission, saying that their vehicles were unreliable and that they felt unprotected without an armed escort along the planned convoy route.

Representative Darlene Hooley, Democrat of Oregon, has criticized the military over the past year for what she found when she visited Oregon guardsmen training to go overseas: mold-ridden barracks, faulty weapons and a lack of food, toilet paper, soap and hand-held radios.

"It is very different to be in the Guard or the Reserves and be called up,'' Ms. Hooley said. "And I think they just hadn't thought about it."

Even among the injured, some part-time soldiers insist there is a pecking order. When they go for appointments at the Fort Lewis medical center, they say, they are always asked which service they are in, Guard, Reserves or regular.

"Why would they need to know that? I thought we were an army of one," said Sgt. Jay Hemenway, a guardsman who went to Fort Lewis in March 2003 and whose family lives three hours away, in Salem, Ore.

Sergeant Hemenway said he went to the orthopedic department not long ago, and watched as another soldier walked in, identified himself as a full-time soldier and got an appointment right away. "If you're the National Guard, you're on the back burner, forgotten," he said.

Officials at Fort Lewis vehemently deny that distinctions are made between part-time and full-time soldiers when it comes to priority or quality of medical care.

"There's a sincere effort here that all soldiers are treated the same,'' said Col. Mitchell Josh of Fort Lewis.

Clerks and receptionists at the hospital routinely request a soldier's status for paperwork purposes, nothing more, said Lynnda Henson, chief of patient affairs.

But Sergeant Hemenway sees himself at the bottom here as a guardsman - one of several - who said he was injured even before he could be deployed. He hurt his shoulder when his leg got stuck in a seat belt as he jumped from a vehicle. Later, while recovering, he hurt his back. At 38, he uses a walker.

Sergeant Hemenway is starting the process of being considered for discharge from the military. Before he was called up, he was a maintenance man in the apartment complex his wife manages, but he doubts he will ever be able to paint or plaster or move refrigerators again.

From her office in Salem, his wife, LoAnn D. Brandenberger-Hemenway, looked out at her gold Ford Mustang, its window papered with stickers: "Support Our Troops" and "Freedom Is Not Free." She said that she was proud of her husband when he was called to duty, but that was 19 months ago and he has lived at Fort Lewis ever since.

"This has gotten ridiculous," Ms. Brandenberger-Hemenway said.

When he visits home, she said, he sometimes seems impatient, frustrated, testy. "Don't they say a person heals better when they are surrounded by love?" she asked. "If anything, he's getting worse up there. By the time he comes to visit, we have to walk around on eggshells here."

When her husband left, Ms. Brandenberger-Hemenway decorated the outside of her office with yellow ribbons, but they grew dingy and frayed with passing months. Not long ago, she took them down.



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Thanks for these posts! I completely agree with that comment: "Don't they say a person heals better when they are surrounded by love?"

That is indeed sad society we are in :(
 
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