Mac help.

Good question about that. I'm not sure about formatting it to use for both PC and Mac on the same hard drive. When I burn stuff on CD, I make sure it works on both Mac and PC. I tried my best. :P
 
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Plan to buy it and I need learn it how to use format for Mac. I like to share for Pc and MAc but I am not sure which Fat or Fat32 or NTFS or other.

Mac OS X uses several B*-tree derived filesystems, primarily HFS+/HFSJ. Windows XP uses NTFS, Windows 9x uses FAT. You can't install any Mac OS onto an NTFS or FAT partition. As a result, you must have the two OSes on seperate partitions.
 
Teresh said:
Mac OS X uses several B*-tree derived filesystems, primarily HFS+/HFSJ. Windows XP uses NTFS, Windows 9x uses FAT. You can't install any Mac OS onto an NTFS or FAT partition. As a result, you must have the two OSes on seperate partitions.

Ah HFS+/HFSJ. Interesting. I already know about windows. Not plan to install OS. Just share PC and Mac for media files.
 
Ohhhh, media files. You won't have problem with that. Just simply format the hdd to Mac OS X extended and you can save media files on that format, either Mac or PC. The PC should pick it up in later versions of Windows. Correct me if I'm wrong, I will regret it. I have no problem reading PC files on the Mac when I ran Virtual PC or Microsoft Office applications.
 
Neo said:
Ah HFS+/HFSJ. Interesting. I already know about windows. Not plan to install OS. Just share PC and Mac for media files.

Well, if that's all you want to do, just set up a Samba share on the mac or a SMB share on the Windows machine.
 
Neo said:

Well, you'd need to connect both machines to the same network. I setup Samba on Linux all the time, but I'm not too sure how to use the Mac port of it. I'd suggest googling for Samba on Mac or somesuch. SMB on Windows is pretty easy to configure--It's just the standard Windows sharing system.
 
Teresh said:
Well, you'd need to connect both machines to the same network. I setup Samba on Linux all the time, but I'm not too sure how to use the Mac port of it. I'd suggest googling for Samba on Mac or somesuch. SMB on Windows is pretty easy to configure--It's just the standard Windows sharing system.
Dont want network share. Do you know what is enclosure? Okay. At class bring enclosure to class for Media (Mac user) then bring to dorm and use PC.

Am I clear?
 
The only format that will be able to be used by both OS X and windows is FAT32.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp

From microsoft's site:
In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB. Therefore, you must use NTFS to format volumes larger than 32 GB. However, Windows XP Professional can read and write to larger FAT32 volumes formatted by other operating systems.

So if you can, you might want to format your drive with a Mac, I'm guessing it will let you create a FAT32 partition larger than 32GB (winXP/2000) or 128GB(win98)

If you can't create a FAT32 partition on a mac 32GB should be plenty of room to store any files that you need in class, (just remember that the file size limit is 2GB) and you can make the rest of the drive NTFS.
 
farmerjoe said:
The only format that will be able to be used by both OS X and windows is FAT32.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp

So if you can, you might want to format your drive with a Mac, I'm guessing it will let you create a FAT32 partition larger than 32GB (winXP/2000) or 128GB(win98)

If you can't create a FAT32 partition on a mac 32GB should be plenty of room to store any files that you need in class, (just remember that the file size limit is 2GB) and you can make the rest of the drive NTFS.

Mac OS X doesn't have any internal support for FAT32 or NTFS because it doesn't need to have any. It doesn't use either filesystem. This is also why Windows doesn't have support for the HFS filesystems. Neither OS has internal support for SGI's XFS for IRIX and Linux, or IBM's JFS for AIX and Linux, or ext2/ext3 or reiserfs for Linux either.

This is why I say if you want to share files between two computers you should use a network filesystem which is OS-transparent, such as SMB Filesystem (SMBFS, aka Samba), Coda Filesystem (CFS), Andrew Filesystem (AFS) or Network Filesystem (NFS).

I only suggest using Samba/SMB because it's pretty easy to set up on any operating system... It's internal in Windows, obviously, and on Macs and Linux it's pretty easy to set up.
 
Just to be clear: By OS transparent, you mean that it's not OS dependable, right? Pretty wicked English there.

Thanks. ;)

-J.
 
Yiffzer said:
Just to be clear: By OS transparent, you mean that it's not OS dependable, right? Pretty wicked English there.

Thanks. ;)

-J.

It's not OS dependent because of the way network filesystems work. Filesystems on a hard drive aim at filling a partition in a partition table (which is, itself, a very simple filesystem) with a long string of ones and zeros. This is an overly simplistic thing, but if you think about it, a filesystem's main purpose is to index files, create a hierarchy that the user can logically perceive in some way, and determine where one 'file' begins and ends in the continuity of the drive.

Operating systems (unless they use only one filesystem, but having no means to support other filesystems creates a problem with future releases if you want to use a different version, not to mention it's harder to write software this way) typically abstract the means by which the filesystem works by creating a series of API calls that perform fundamental functions rather than having developers manually remove files by having them use low-level drive access.

The fundamental functions are create (create a file in the filesystem hierarchy and add its name to the index), delete (remove a file in the filesystem hierarchy and remove its name from the index), copy (make a copy of a file, and add the copy to the filesystem's hierarchy and index) move (change the location of a file in the filesystem hierarchy, which will often only slightly changes the index) and modify (write data, remove data from, whether or not it actually changes the length of the file).

All filesystems provide these five core concepts, and it's the OS's job to provide an API and a set of tools which use this API in order to perform these operations.


Network filesystems, however, do not perform such low-level actions to the drive. Rather, they use the OS's API to make calls in a fashion that is transparent regardless of which FS the drive or partition uses. When I create a Samba share on my Linux box, the filesystem my box is using can be ext2, ext3, JFS, XFS, HFS, BFS, BeFS, FAT32, NTFS or any of the other filesystems Linux is capable of using. Samba and other network FSs simply provide a mechanism of sharing that is not dependent on what FS the system is actually using. By providing this abstraction, any operating system that supports SMB/Samba (such as Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc.) can mount, unmount, and modify the share by making drive calls according to the SMB protocol.


A very verbose answer, but yes. By transparent, I mean that so long as the OS supports SMB (ie Windows) or Samba (most Unix and Unix-like systems, including OS X), can use as if it were part of the system itself.
 
Teresh said:
Mac OS X doesn't have any internal support for FAT32 or NTFS because it doesn't need to have any. It doesn't use either filesystem. This is also why Windows doesn't have support for the HFS filesystems. Neither OS has internal support for SGI's XFS for IRIX and Linux, or IBM's JFS for AIX and Linux, or ext2/ext3 or reiserfs for Linux either.

This is why I say if you want to share files between two computers you should use a network filesystem which is OS-transparent, such as SMB Filesystem (SMBFS, aka Samba), Coda Filesystem (CFS), Andrew Filesystem (AFS) or Network Filesystem (NFS).

I only suggest using Samba/SMB because it's pretty easy to set up on any operating system... It's internal in Windows, obviously, and on Macs and Linux it's pretty easy to set up.

OSX will read FAT32 formated disks, which is why I recomended it. If you're going to share files on a lan, sure setup a samba share, but in this case we're not setting up a network share we're looking for a compatible format to use in a portable drive.

Neo said:
Dont want network share. Do you know what is enclosure? Okay. At class bring enclosure to class for Media (Mac user) then bring to dorm and use PC.

Am I clear?

It's clear that Neo intends to install the hard drive into one of those portable hard drive kits. (I have one and it works great) They let you use any internal hard drive as an external hard drive.
 
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