Lending ears to learners.....*gags*

I was wanting restoration until about a year ago. But there were problems with not knowing why the loss was occuring, and then by the time they knew a little bit and could speculate about what to do, I wasn't interested. I lost quite a bit of my hearing very rapidly, and three years is a long time. I just got to the point where I accepted it for what it was and no longer see it as there being something "wrong" with me. I hope that answered your question. :)

Sure did, M-M! Thanks and may your journey be filled with many successes!
 
Bump !, whoa, this is out of the whack , but then again im NOT surprised. Engenic narrative are brought in with force in parrallel with the advent of cochlear implants. I have noticed it aligns the 21st century science with the early 20th century ideology! (read nazism, in accordance to the practices of genocides)

what worrys me is that the vast information they have access to every profiles of deaf children (and adults?!.....) where they can doctor up their results with the 'best* CI students , using it to justify their medical heroics and domination of the hearingdom. That said Sign language research isn't enough, we need to embark some quasi-politics to police the works of hearing researchers on vital data which they collate, in order to expose the dirty work.
 
More Deaf Everything

Not just to police but to change. Deaf families need to go out
into the public domain and be allowed to be seen. If ASL is the
3rd most used language in the US, where are the Deaf People?

I see them in colleges that have ASL classes. I rarely see them
in stores and other public arenas. Are they keeping to themselves?
I have to go into their world. If change is to happen they must
come out into other peoples worlds. Yes I know that abuse has
occured in the past, but I see more and more young Deaf adults
changing that and squaring their shoulders. Taking their position
in the world.

The last time I took an ASL class, just 2 years ago at Chemeketa
Community College, I noticed that the course was still not listed
in the Languages Section. Why has that not been changed? That is
a VERY important step for overall equality that the Deaf are trying
to acheive! You must get the educational community to acknowledge
that ASL is a REAL language. Don't ignore this issue! It impacts how
everyone thinks about Sign, and that will impact how the Deaf are
treated!
 
Not just to police but to change. Deaf families need to go out
into the public domain and be allowed to be seen. If ASL is the
3rd most used language in the US, where are the Deaf People?

I see them in colleges that have ASL classes. I rarely see them
in stores and other public arenas. Are they keeping to themselves?
I have to go into their world. If change is to happen they must
come out into other peoples worlds. Yes I know that abuse has
occured in the past, but I see more and more young Deaf adults
changing that and squaring their shoulders. Taking their position
in the world.

The last time I took an ASL class, just 2 years ago at Chemeketa
Community College, I noticed that the course was still not listed
in the Languages Section. Why has that not been changed? That is
a VERY important step for overall equality that the Deaf are trying
to acheive! You must get the educational community to acknowledge
that ASL is a REAL language. Don't ignore this issue! It impacts how
everyone thinks about Sign, and that will impact how the Deaf are
treated!


It depends on where u live. I see that u live in Oregon and I am sure depending on where in Oregon, the Deaf community is small there. I know of a couple who lives there..they have to go about 100 miles from where they live to go to Deaf events. The husband works at an electricity company while his wife is a stay at home mom.

My deaf friends and I go out and do all kinds of activities..we go to DC, Baltimore, NYC, stores, malls, waterparks, restaurants, bars, parks, and so much more. We are not sitting at home isolating ourselves..that would be too BORING!!!! :giggle:
 
We had some Deaf friends with hearing children who rented a home out
here in the boon docks where we live. I used to bug them with all kinds
of questions. The mom showed me her lights that went on and off
when the baby cried and her door bell light. I had to tell her that
she needed to turn the TV down so her hearing son didn't go deaf!
She kept it on so he could hear speech. We marked the volume
button at the appropriate spot. Nice family. We just saw them again
after 25 years! That little baby boy was a tall lanky teen! So was
his sister! But it is a BIG world!
 
yep , i agree they should get out and about.
In New Zealand , NZSL is the third offical language set by the Parliment about 2 years ago. This is a milestone, but NZ doesnt have ADA or similar, which mean we lack formal legal organisation (like your ADA or the British DDA)s to counter discrimination in various forms - so that's not enough good either.
Even though, NZSL being hailed as offical, I always suspect its not effective, I mean like, educational priority to use NZSL is still low, and that English is praised more highly, they still measure your speech to measure your intelligence over here(sic). Its all the same around the world.

You should complain to that Community college!, go an extra mile make some sort of local petition with your local deaf club, ebven hearing neighbourhoods. Deaf Familes are rarer than deaf borned from hearing familes, it should be the deaf club members to organise public outings like muesum tours, have a BBQ in the parks, and such like. But i get what you mean though to shock, stun the hearings, to the existence of such right?.

well I said to Police, in my opinion, this goes further because it implys the body of organisation representing Deaf, by the deaf for the deaf/Deaf, should be possess the power to what the researchers be hold accountable to; not to be endorsed and sweeped under the carpet by the university, or a particular department (for example linguisitic researchers) of an institute.

Change was one of thing I used to entertain this thinking too, however when I think looking back its kind of naive to trust the hearing to 'change for us'. Of course they won't!! after all they want to keep their jobs and status. Their ideological entity seems to be so fragile, well too bad for them, just look at us, we've been f*cked over too long.
Too often it has been compromised with so-called 'understanding from hearing-centric organisations/institutes. So Policing makes more sense, it is to make accountability deemed by the Deaf organisation of some sort. It is yet to be eventuated, so it is by a long shot, but this is where we should be looking to! That is what I'd like to see, the crux of it, is to realign the balance of power back to the Deaf. In turn, you can , however so this is change, but I'd argue change is not sufficient without a means for us - the Deaf to have the means of power to keep hearing researchers in check to avoid abuse of collated data or compromising theortical paradigms in such, or ambiguisity and so on.
 
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yep , i agree they should get out and about.
In New Zealand , NZSL is the third offical language set by the Parliment about 2 years ago. This is a milestone, but NZ doesnt have ADA or similar, which mean we lack formal legal organisation (like your ADA or the British DDA)s to counter discrimination in various forms - so that's not enough good either.
Even though, NZSL being hailed as offical, I always suspect its not effective, I mean like, educational priority to use NZSL is still low, and that English is praised more highly, they still measure your speech to measure your intelligence over here(sic). Its all the same around the world.

You should complain to that Community college!, go an extra mile make some sort of local petition with your local deaf club, ebven hearing neighbourhoods. Deaf Familes are rarer than deaf borned from hearing familes, it should be the deaf club members to organise public outings like muesum tours, have a BBQ in the parks, and such like. But i get what you mean though to shock, stun the hearings, to the existence of such right?.

well I said to Police, in my opinion, this goes further because it implys the body of organisation representing Deaf, by the deaf for the deaf/Deaf, should be possess the power to what the researchers be hold accountable to; not to be endorsed and sweeped under the carpet by the university, or a particular department (for example linguisitic researchers) of an institute.

Change was one of thing I used to entertain this thinking too, however when I think looking back its kind of naive to trust the hearing to 'change for us'. Of course they won't!! after all they want to keep their jobs and status. Their ideological entity seems to be so fragile, well too bad for them, just look at us, we've been f*cked over too long.
Too often it has been compromised with so-called 'understanding from hearing-centric organisations/institutes. So Policing makes more sense, it is to make accountability deemed by the Deaf organisation of some sort. It is yet to be eventuated, so it is by a long shot, but this is where we should be looking to! That is what I'd like to see, the crux of it, is to realign the balance of power back to the Deaf. In turn, you can , however so this is change, but I'd argue change is not sufficient without a means for us - the Deaf to have the means of power to keep hearing researchers in check to avoid abuse of collated data or compromising theortical paradigms in such, or ambiguisity and so on.

Yes, I did comlain. I even pointed it out to the instructor who is deaf. He
was very surprised that it had not been changed. What I don't understand
is that linguists should be thrilled to watch a language develop! Even I have seen the adaptations made in this language, ASL over 25 years. Younger Deaf people tell me that my signs are old!:giggle: Oportunities like this for researchers present themselves rarely. If I were a linguist I would
be hopping up and down to get an opportunity to totally immerse myself in
one of these visual languages and I would be a staunch advocate for its
recognition as a language even though I am hearing.
 
Actually, there is a lot of linguistic research being done at some major universities in the field of signed languages, but it genreally goes no further than academic publication. Most of the general population simply isn't interested.

The reason the ASL is often not listed withtheother foreign languages has more to do with funding than anything. It is normally included as part of a comprehensive program labeled Deaf Studies. EAch program is funded and reviewed as a separate entity, and in order to qualify for funding, the program must meet certain criteria for content. However, most universities that have a Deaf Studies program will allow ASL taken in that dept. to transfer as foreign language credit into the Foreign Language Dept.
 
ASL over 25 years. Younger Deaf people tell me that my signs are old!:giggle: Oportunities like this for researchers present themselves rarely. .

that's really interestnig,
I have noticed similar too, though I'm not fluent, but conversant with Sign Language. Anyway, increasingly 'old signs' have been recently dissed as old fashioned or 'boring' or 'unsensitive' or even for lacking correctness to Politics.
I am skeptical of politically correctness, as it on the surface it seemed 'nice and fair and caring for all' but in reality it is more about fashionable attitudes which cleverly indoctrinates society to believe its's Ok to replace the worth of individuals according to intricately detailed measures of wealths and everything else matters not.
The social mobility has somewhat changed rules. Rules in society game-playing in pursue of wealth and success has been shifted to high gear. The rise to riches is much faster now as well the fall to poverty is much steeper also.
Back to sign language, it seem there was a trickle down occurring somewhere, (sometimes I'd blame the interpreters, EVEN though they are "bounded by ethics" that is ONLY limited to NOT tell clients what their decisions should be, however it is the SIGNS which clients gets exposed to) (yes that is off topic, but I do wonder however, then again Deafhood might be a good thing to change 'attitudes' to allieviate Deafism (again thats way off topic!)

Old signs should be preserved, and circulated, as it is the only way to stoke the energy of pure signs forms into the this cultural entity where storage of signs are 'kept in between individuals whose uses it, no single individual would know the library of signs., Also that said, I think deaf peolpe needs to be aware Sign language arent immune to politics and should be viligent to keep hearing ideology from seeping in, on other hand deaf people do need to be aware of know bargaining rules has changed in society in order to maintain the income and livihood. This will keep changing - nothing stays the same.

Yes you are right oppurtunies should be there to tackle all signs , but Id would say (to linguists) to caution to understand what they see isnt' neutral either. Hope there are some linguistist who are mindful of this, got this sneaky feeling they may not be, but only interested in their own academic pursuit regardless of how it affects us.... you might think im against linguist nosys peaking in, well to a point yes, but with a reason, they are only interested to 'see' what languages people using 'now' or 'then' as snapshots, in a manner nothing more that 'statisticising the profile of language used'.

If you prefer old signs, USE it, too bad what others think, if it flows as your style, so be it.
l reckon if you keep al our old signs, and use some new ones, and forth, it might make def culture more intriguing and most interesting to entice hearing people to take notice.

Breaking barriers in communications should not be just about hiring interpreters, but disseimnation sign languages in ALL situation in society, make it a compulsory learnign modules in hearing classrooms lessons, topics, even better make a it s formal subject, like "ASL is an American Sign Language" start from there, no wait, it doesnt start there it has to start really small like an inclusion to 'history lessons' or 'Social studies' , someone has to motivate the development of pedagogy and cirriculum that include sign language to enchance (greatly) the awareness of it to hearing people. Hearing childrens learning it now in classrooms are far better for the future to be aware of the existence of intricatency of sign language. I realise its not that simple, easy said than done but this is something we really jump up and down about it, get it going!
 
not all linguists are selfish, there are some who are truly well meaning, and Jillio may have said its hard to get past the institute of study, which is why I mentioned this radical approach to induce sign language as compulsory learning in schools for all, not just deafs.
 
not all linguists are selfish, there are some who are truly well meaning, and Jillio may have said its hard to get past the institute of study, which is why I mentioned this radical approach to induce sign language as compulsory learning in schools for all, not just deafs.

I would Agree. But we have lost language aquisition altogether here in US.
The year I entered High School in 9nth grade, the teacher for Latin class was
retiring and they did not replace her. Next, 2 years later the French teacher
retired and the same thing happened. And ours was a very good school
with high academic standards.

So it is a matter of reinstilling the desire to become fluent in many
languages, and ASL ranking 3rd should be one of them!

In our church there are myself and one other person who can sign. But
alas we are country bumpkins with zero Deaf population. Though I did
notice a Deaf group coming soon to play poker at the Casino here in
Grand Ronde. If they stayed in the motel on Friday night maybe we
could grab some of them for Church on Sabbath!:giggle:
 
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